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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#142538 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"The cure for faith is science."
"Science is the opposite of religion"
Both false.
I mean, not really. Religion is basically belief without evidence, science is an evidence based system of gaining knowledge. Modern christianity has attempted to assimilate science into it's teachings, but only because not doing so would be dishonest to the point of absurdity.

I agree that maybe science is not the cure for faith, at least not in it's general form. Psychiatry is the cure for faith (just a joke, don't throw a fit).
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#142539 Dec 7, 2012
Thinking wrote:
There was a massive war in heaven, I can do better.
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Who told you this?
did you have visions?
halucinations?or night mares?

what you can do better?
mister?seems to my analize, that something wrong on your top???
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#142540 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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ugh......
You athitards are hopeless.
and
you kristains are mentaly unstable !

Accused PQ election shooter: Jesus sent me on a mission to stop separatism
By The Canadian Press - 6 hours ago

MONTREAL - The accused Quebec election night shooter is being sent for a psychiatric evaluation to determine if he's fit to stand trial.

Richard Henry Bain appeared briefly in a Montreal courtroom today, launching into a lengthy diatribe about being sent on a mission by Jesus Christ to rid Quebec of a separatist problem.

After the comments, a judge hearing the case agreed an assessment was necessary.

Bain's legal-aid attorney told reporters it has been impossible to prepare a defence for him.

The fishing-lodge owner faces 16 charges, including first-degree murder; three counts of attempted murder; arson; and a number of weapons charges stemming from the Sept. 4 incident where two people were shot and one was killed.

The deceased, Denis Blanchette, a 48-year-old stagehand at the PQ's victory rally, was shot outside Montreal's Metropolis concert hall.

Premier Pauline Marois told a television show earlier this week she believes she may have been the target of a political assassination attempt on election night.

The premier had previously said little about the Sept. 4 events.

CP, 2012
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“Think&Care”

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#142541 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"The cure for faith is science."
"Science is the opposite of religion"
Both false.
The scientific method is the exact opposite of the faith-based beliefs of religion. Science is based on skepticism.
Thinking

UK

#142542 Dec 7, 2012
Do you believe in the bible's contents? It says there was a war in heaven.
dr Shrink wrote:
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Who told you this?
did you have visions?
halucinations?or night mares?
what you can do better?
mister?seems to my analize, that something wrong on your top???

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#142543 Dec 7, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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The scientific method is the exact opposite of the faith-based beliefs of religion. Science is based on skepticism.

Gee poly I thought it was based on observation , evidence or
empirical data ?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#142544 Dec 7, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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The scientific method is the exact opposite of the faith-based beliefs of religion. Science is based on skepticism.
Science is also based on unprovable assumptions.

“Ditat Deus”

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#142545 Dec 7, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Lmfao an old Man's blindness doh! It's ok Christholes jump on the iPhone auto spelling error, that's about all you got.
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lol

I was gonna ask what's the difference between a Nan & an old Nan, but......

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#142546 Dec 7, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I mean, not really. Religion is basically belief without evidence, science is an evidence based system of gaining knowledge. Modern christianity has attempted to assimilate science into it's teachings, but only because not doing so would be dishonest to the point of absurdity.
I agree that maybe science is not the cure for faith, at least not in it's general form. Psychiatry is the cure for faith (just a joke, don't throw a fit).
Well..... Kinda, sorta, a lil bit.

Religion is a pursuit or interest that someone ascribes a lot if importance to. Evidence is not a driving factor or motivator, which is why religion requires faith.

Your description of science is close enough. It seems though, that many atheists kinda have a "belief system" instilled in their minds. Like science is a perfect & flawless system to have faith in.

I won't throw a fit, maybe shit, but not a fit.

“Ditat Deus”

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#142547 Dec 7, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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The scientific method is the exact opposite of the faith-based beliefs of religion. Science is based on skepticism.
I know that, but don't you know that many religious people are skeptics, too? I'm one of them. I want answers, I want truth.

Science can not provide answers to all if our questions. It's a bug part yes, but it's not the whole.

There can be no scientific method applied to any non-scientific topic.
Mr Smartypants

Mayer, MN

#142549 Dec 7, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Science is also based on unprovable assumptions.
Wrong. Real science is empirical in nature and based on *avoiding* unprovable assumptions.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#142550 Dec 7, 2012
Mr Smartypants wrote:
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Wrong. Real science is empirical in nature and based on *avoiding* unprovable assumptions.
What you described is what science seeks to do. The assumptions of science such as the laws of nature being the same throughout the universe at all times and places is an unproved assumption.

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#142551 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well..... Kinda, sorta, a lil bit.
Religion is a pursuit or interest that someone ascribes a lot if importance to. Evidence is not a driving factor or motivator, which is why religion requires faith.
Your description of science is close enough. It seems though, that many atheists kinda have a "belief system" instilled in their minds. Like science is a perfect & flawless system to have faith in.
I won't throw a fit, maybe shit, but not a fit.
I'm sure that some do, but if there is one system that I couldn't fault someone for "believing in," it would be the scientific method, or more accurately/generally, rationalism. It has proven itself to be very effective at getting results. Nothing if flawless though, so it helps to always be skeptical, even of proven methods. For example, remember the faster than light neutrino thing? Most scientists who heard about it did not immediately go "well, that settles it. They used the scientific method to get these results, so they must be right." Rather, everyone was skeptical, and said that much more testing needed to be done, and as it turned out, the original experiment was flawed.
Mr Smartypants

Mayer, MN

#142553 Dec 7, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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What you described is what science seeks to do. The assumptions of science such as the laws of nature being the same throughout the universe at all times and places is an unproved assumption.
Hell, everything is an unproved assumption if you dig deeply enough. For practical purposes, though, inductive logic seems to work pretty well. Since my red carpet hasn't turned to lava the last 1000 times I got out of bed, it's very unlikely that it will ever happen. Likewise, the laws of nature seem to be pretty darned rigid and unchanging so, by inductive logic, it's a safe assumption that they're unchanging. If a basic law did change, like the speed of light increasing by 10%, it would pretty much rattle the scientific community to its core.

“Ditat Deus”

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#142554 Dec 7, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure that some do, but if there is one system that I couldn't fault someone for "believing in," it would be the scientific method, or more accurately/generally, rationalism. It has proven itself to be very effective at getting results. Nothing if flawless though, so it helps to always be skeptical, even of proven methods. For example, remember the faster than light neutrino thing? Most scientists who heard about it did not immediately go "well, that settles it. They used the scientific method to get these results, so they must be right." Rather, everyone was skeptical, and said that much more testing needed to be done, and as it turned out, the original experiment was flawed.
That's a perfect example that as good as the scientific method works, it can result in flawed "findings".

I'd say that generally, the flaw is the human error in interpreting the data.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#142555 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Tell that to Koder
You are really dishonest to the core, and you take pride in that. One day you will wake up and feel bad for being such a liar and a phony, until that day, thanks for the laughs, we know your idiotic game already.

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#142556 Dec 7, 2012
Mr Smartypants wrote:
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Hell, everything is an unproved assumption if you dig deeply enough. For practical purposes, though, inductive logic seems to work pretty well. Since my red carpet hasn't turned to lava the last 1000 times I got out of bed, it's very unlikely that it will ever happen. Likewise, the laws of nature seem to be pretty darned rigid and unchanging so, by inductive logic, it's a safe assumption that they're unchanging. If a basic law did change, like the speed of light increasing by 10%, it would pretty much rattle the scientific community to its core.
Humans wrote the laws of nature, well technically "discovered" them & named them. That doesn't mean they're flawless.

Remember reading about the "law" that said the universe is infinite? Now they're thinking its finite.

Remember the "law" that said the Milky Way is the universe?

Don't trust & follow science so blindly.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#142557 Dec 7, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Science is also based on unprovable assumptions.
Oh explain what science is based on such.

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#142558 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's a perfect example that as good as the scientific method works, it can result in flawed "findings".
I'd say that generally, the flaw is the human error in interpreting the data.
And it's a perfect example of it's self correcting nature.

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#142559 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's a perfect example that as good as the scientific method works, it can result in flawed "findings".
I'd say that generally, the flaw is the human error in interpreting the data.
And sometimes it is human error, which is why findings aren't really taken seriously until they can be replicated by other people.

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