Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Dave Nelson]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> Sort of like your head eh? Shaped like a block.

The difference in mine and yours is mine is a solid block. Yours is an empty box.

Has more substance.:-)

[polymath257]

Dave Nelson wrote:

"99.9 percent of the Universe is made up of plasma," says Dr. Dennis Gallagher, a plasma physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. "Very little material in space is made of rock like the Earth."
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-...
Read the whole article. That's NASA, BTW.
Uh, that 99.9% affects the plasmasphere we have around us, in case you didn't realize that. The infinite reach thingy of EM and gravity. The sun just has a more direct effect.

Yes, most of the matter in the universe is in stars, which are plasma. And just how much does that E&M force actually affect things? yes, it affects things like solar flares and the solar wind. But the effects of these on the motion of planets is very, very small. It is much more important as an aspect of electrical storms, which we know exist on Earth, Jupiter and Saturn.

None of the 'textbook heads' say that E&M is non-existent. It is even important for some phenomena. In particular, if you want to see the universe, it is good to have E&M radiation, i.e. light, so that you can see where things are. Strong E&M fields also exist around neutron stars. They produce pulsars.

But the motion of the planets is determined primarily by gravity. The motion of stars is determined primarily by gravity. And, given the weakness of the galactic E&M fields, the motion of galaxies is determined mostly by gravity.

The fact that you never seem to be able to accept is that E&M does not affect things even close to as much as your delusions want it to.

[-Skeptic-]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>
The difference in mine and yours is mine is a solid block. Yours is an empty box.
Has more substance.:-)

And yet you're a proven lying idiot who denies evolution.

I'll take the empty box thanks.

[KittenKoder]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>
The difference in mine and yours is mine is a solid block. Yours is an empty box.
Has more substance.:-)

You just complimented Aura and insulted yourself, I commend your humility and courage to do that.

Empty boxes learn and often contain things of value, solid blocks have no room for anything of value.

[polymath257]

Dave Nelson wrote:

Plasma cosmology has some issues that make it incomplete, but I will tell you why it is fought tooth and nail. That is because it points to a higher intelligent force.

Huh? What makes you say that? At best, it could be a different mathematical theory of how the universe works. Yes, there are plasmas in the universe. Stars, many nebulae, etc are plasma. So? You act like plasma are some unknown phenomenon that we have no mathematical models for. Quite the opposite is true: maxwell's equations are very precise descriptions of how electromagnetism and plasma act.

This would bypass the high priests of gravity based physics and their sophistric gobblydegook they like to impress the rubes whose eyes are glued to the screen watching the beautiful colors and listening to the cool dramatic music and narrator with the cool voice, coupled with those lovely artist renditions of the way things surely happened according to them.
They would have to get a real job.

It isn't all that difficult to calculate the effects that plasma have on various phenomena. Want me to point you to some technical books on plasmas?

[blacklagoon]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Have you ever seen or been river rafting? The water can flow faster than the raft. The heavier the raft the faster water will go around it.
Now a large wooden ship will follow the current but not at the same speed. One must factor in resistance, friction loss and weight of the vessel.

No matter how heavy the boat, it will eventually move as fast as the current is moving, unless an outside agent interferes with the boat.

[timn17]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

<quoted text>
Don't believe everything you read online, especially a site that has an agenda for defending pot......
"Canadian researchers have concluded that people who smoke marijuana within three hours of driving are nearly twice as likely to get in a serious car crash.
The research included nine observational studies, with a sample size of nearly 50,000 accident victims."
www.insideline.com

You said that weed was *more* dangerous than alcohol. It's not. I never said that it was harmless. I don't think you should ever drive after using any drug.

[timn17]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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I understand what you're saying, I do.
My only problem with legal drugs is the ease of getting them. By keeping them illegal it makes it hard to get your hands on - and you risk jail or prison time for it. It deters some users to quit & it deters some from ever starting.
I'm fine with people using drugs casually. But that's the problem with a lot of folks, they can't use drugs in moderation, they allow it to control their lives. Excessive drug use leads todo many problems, I think if they were to become legal, there'd be a lot more addicts out there.
I'd kinda rather have drug lords in charge of their addicts than the federal government. That's a disaster of biblical proportions waiting to happen.
In my opinion, of course.

Drug use goes down after legalization/decriminalization .

[Dave Nelson]

polymath257 wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, most of the matter in the universe is in stars, which are plasma. And just how much does that E&M force actually affect things? yes, it affects things like solar flares and the solar wind. But the effects of these on the motion of planets is very, very small. It is much more important as an aspect of electrical storms, which we know exist on Earth, Jupiter and Saturn.
None of the 'textbook heads' say that E&M is non-existent. It is even important for some phenomena. In particular, if you want to see the universe, it is good to have E&M radiation, i.e. light, so that you can see where things are. Strong E&M fields also exist around neutron stars. They produce pulsars.
But the motion of the planets is determined primarily by gravity. The motion of stars is determined primarily by gravity. And, given the weakness of the galactic E&M fields, the motion of galaxies is determined mostly by gravity.
The fact that you never seem to be able to accept is that E&M does not affect things even close to as much as your delusions want it to.

Your computations of star movement and etc are in error. That is why you now have dark matter, dark energy, and black holes.

The stars have been moving, as have the planets, and the galaxies, totally ignorant of the way they are supposed to.

Evidently they missed something in their development of the theory.

Gravity works between particles. Take away the balance of charge in an atom, and you increase the EM range of it. The sucker get unbalanced and starts reaching out. Only stronger than gravity does. BTW, this imbalance also reaches to the nuclear forces.

A neutral atom doesn't emit the charge an unbalanced one does. This is the sort of thing that makes chemistry.

Your perception of electricity is a charge being passed within matter based upon a loosely bound electron KICKED out of a perfectly harmonious relationship and forced to find another. It's a bit more complicated than that.

Gravity as portrayed sucks. It really pushes.

[Eagle12]

blacklagoon wrote:

<quoted text>No matter how heavy the boat, it will eventually move as fast as the current is moving, unless an outside agent interferes with the boat.

If it makes you a happy camper then it ok by me.

[-Skeptic-]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>
Your computations of star movement and etc are in error. That is why you now have dark matter, dark energy, and black holes.
The stars have been moving, as have the planets, and the galaxies, totally ignorant of the way they are supposed to.
Evidently they missed something in their development of the theory.
Gravity works between particles. Take away the balance of charge in an atom, and you increase the EM range of it. The sucker get unbalanced and starts reaching out. Only stronger than gravity does. BTW, this imbalance also reaches to the nuclear forces.
A neutral atom doesn't emit the charge an unbalanced one does. This is the sort of thing that makes chemistry.
Your perception of electricity is a charge being passed within matter based upon a loosely bound electron KICKED out of a perfectly harmonious relationship and forced to find another. It's a bit more complicated than that.
Gravity as portrayed sucks. It really pushes.

and therefore god...that is basically your argument, right?

[Eagle12]

timn17 wrote:

<quoted text>You said that weed was *more* dangerous than alcohol. It's not. I never said that it was harmless. I don't think you should ever drive after using any drug.

BINGO we have a winner!

Good thought.

[Dave Nelson]

blacklagoon wrote:

<quoted text>No matter how heavy the boat, it will eventually move as fast as the current is moving, unless an outside agent interferes with the boat.

Any deviation from a straight line following that current kicks inertia in. Any bend or eddy in the river. The raft or boat has to be pushed in a new direction by that current. Its coherent mass is a bunch heavier than individual water molecules.

Takes a while to get back up to speed.

[Dave Nelson]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You just complimented Aura and insulted yourself, I commend your humility and courage to do that.
Empty boxes learn and often contain things of value, solid blocks have no room for anything of value.

Older ones like his usually collect junk.

[RiversideRedneck]

timn17 wrote:

<quoted text>You said that weed was *more* dangerous than alcohol. It's not. I never said that it was harmless. I don't think you should ever drive after using any drug.

Oh, ok. Good call.

[RiversideRedneck]

timn17 wrote:

<quoted text>Drug use goes down after legalization/decriminalization .

Says who?

[RiversideRedneck]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Wait, what? Piss tests are sold over the counter now, results in less than 30 minutes.

So. Police can't administer a piss test on the street....

Pot is harder to *prove* than alcohol. For now.....

[Aura Mytha]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>
The difference in mine and yours is mine is a solid block. Yours is an empty box.
Has more substance.:-)

You mean your head is solid bone? lol

[RiversideRedneck]

Eagle12 wrote:

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If it makes you a happy camper then it ok by me.

It's pretty pointless to debate with blackie. He's one of those athitards that no matter what you say he'll always come back with something to argue about.

The funny thing is, he usually doesn't even respond to your post, just rambles on about his hatred for God.

One wonders..... Why he has such a hatred for the Christian God only & no other "gods"...

[Dave Nelson]

polymath257 wrote:

<quoted text>
Huh? What makes you say that? At best, it could be a different mathematical theory of how the universe works. Yes, there are plasmas in the universe. Stars, many nebulae, etc are plasma. So? You act like plasma are some unknown phenomenon that we have no mathematical models for. Quite the opposite is true: maxwell's equations are very precise descriptions of how electromagnetism and plasma act.
<quoted text>
It isn't all that difficult to calculate the effects that plasma have on various phenomena. Want me to point you to some technical books on plasmas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

How heavy would that electrode have to be for its gravity to cancel out the attraction of the glass ball?

Why do electrons reside on the outside of atoms, thus causing those atoms to repel? Except for imbalances causing attractions and combinations?