Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
What the.....! But he said that's not christian law?
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Nov 20, 2012
 
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Really? Is the Bible like the koran? Sorry, I've never been tempted to read the Bible.
Redneck, do you have a good explanation for all that? Why is the Bible saying that?
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

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If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
I thank God that I was born in the sikh faith! and I thank God for giving me a brain to see what is right and wrong! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!

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Cool beans.
I've heard of magic beans, but never cool beans. Is that something they say in the land of the Croco_Duck?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Ok, nite guys!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Clementia wrote:
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Thank you!
By the way, I'm in charge here so if you ever have any problems like bullying, stalking, dogs trying to hump your leg or anything else, just tell me and then I'll have a word with the 'guys' and they'll sort it all out! Ok?
Nice to have you on the forum, hope to hear more from you!!
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You're in charge here, Clementine?

You may not even be you!!
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Nov 20, 2012
 
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What the.....! But he said that's not christian law?
Then why is it in the bible? The book that supposedly contains the WORD OF GOD. It's there girl, if you're confused or not sure, look it up and read it for yourself. Don't take my word for it or REDNUTS word. read it and make you own determination.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
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But, I have to be honest with you, I was engaged to a poster before on pakistan forum, but it didn't work out. That left me heartbroken :'( and I'm worried about the same thing happening again. I don't know whether or not I should take the risk on us!
Let me know when you make up my mind...ok?:)

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Nov 20, 2012
 
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<quoted text>And you think that any of these examples support the notion that the universe is conscious because we are conscious?
I'm getting kinda tired of this string of conversation. You seem to think that everyone else should be seeing these strange connections you make, and that since they are so "obvious," you needn't provide any evidence for them.
Also, I'm quite sure bees and ants do not have a "mass mind", at least in the traditional definition of the word mind. They just are good at communicating.
You like to claim a knowledge of science as a basis for your "non-commitment" to a religion or belief in a supernatural entity. I probably have much more experience dealing with EM and some other applied sciences than you. Plus the working with transducers involved in those technologies. Of course I will see things at a glance you wouldn't even be aware of. The difference between reading about something and working with something.

Look at the sky. That is light you see. That is energy and information packed in the flow of it. Live wires.

Ever use an infrared remote? Yes you have. Ever used a solar powered device. Yes you have. Those cross distances with no direct material connection. Voyager is sending telemetry, coded EM emissions, from the edge of the solar system. We are in contact with it. It's power is less than what a 50 bulb Christmas light mini-light string uses. Less than 25 watts. A long damned ways out there. That telemetry can be hooked up to drive devices of as much power as you can provide on this planet via electrical and magnetic means. Electrical leverage.

Trust me, there are objects up in that sky that produce much stronger bursts of EM energy than that simple little radio transmitter coded to our particular specifications. Every light you see up there, and emissions you don't see, are impacting you to some degree. Even if it is 13 billion years old. You are a transducer of that energy coupled with energy produced within you and emanating from this planet. You are part, at least every single tiny bit of atomic matter within you, of that vast circuitry. PERIOD. ABSOLUTE FACT.

Oh, and so is that Voyager that we designed. And those little molecules of EM info we as a species share that assembles us.

So, I am glad that being a slave to the universe and its workings does not bother you.

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It's better to be an empathetic atheist, than a heartless believer!!
I'm an apathetic atheist.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Clementia wrote:
What the.....! But he said that's not christian law?
Old Testament so it's not Christian, eh? But Christians follow TOT.

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I've heard of magic beans, but never cool beans. Is that something they say in the land of the Croco_Duck?
LOL! Are you American? It's a saying that means "neat".

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I'll miss it. I have to go back to the U.S. tomorrow. Culture shock, again.
Well, good luck with the US. I hope you're ok.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know. I don't understand what the trolls get out of spewing bile all day. It's sad. If they wanted to be a good representative of their faith, they would behave like a human being and not an angry, delusional 12 year old.
That's true. These people aren't sane or thoughtful. They clearly aren't in touch with a perfectly moral being.

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I'm an apathetic atheist.
You're an empathetic apathetic atheist.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
Feel free to join this group and discuss faith with others from different backgrounds

http://www.facebook.com/groups/debatefaith

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blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>He'll tell you that the word is SERVANT and that is different for the word SLAVE. However the condition remain, one human OWNING another. Give me a moment and I'll post the exact passage about God endorsing slavery.
Slavery- wiki

Slavery predates written records and has existed in many cultures. The number of slaves today remains as high as 12 million to 27 million. Most are debt slaves, largely in South Asia, who are under debt bondage incurred by lenders, sometimes even for generations. Human trafficking is primarily used for forcing women and children into sex industries.
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Every continent in the world has had or participated in slavery going back before record keeping. You try to make it seem it originated with Gods people in the bible. The Jewish people themselves were slaves. A point you refuse to make because they donít believe it. Saying thereís no evidence.

I guess not, you canít see evidence if your wearing blinders. How convenient you choose to bring up the scripture that the Jews owned slaves. Painting God as if he is some kind of monster. Slavery was common place for much of world history.

Jewish slaves had a statue of limitations. Meaning a short duration of only 7 years. Thatís probably the most lenient standard among all world slave holders. Other places it was slaves for life and never any freedom.

Even in the animal kingdom there are animals that enslave other species. Now donít confuse me with taking the side of slavery. Iím just saying in world history it was a way of life and still is in some places.

You Atheist donít bring up the fact that slavery is on going today. Nor do you wish to devote any effort in trying to eliminate it worldwide. This includes child slavery. A lot products that make it to the shelves of your hometown were made by slaves.

How astute of you to ignore this fact and paint the Jews and the Judeo Christian God as cruel and heartless. Just google "child slavery today," and see what comes up.
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Believe that Leviticus is a record of Levite laws, not Christian laws.
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Is Leviticus a rich resource for spiritual growth or a rusty relic to be tossed aside and ignored? Why should Christians be interested in this Old Testament book? It has been written and often stated that no single book in the Bible is less read than the Book of Leviticus. What is so interesting, however, is that the Book of Leviticus quotes the words of God more than any book in the Bible. For this reason, it can't be boring, for who among us would dare to call God boring, and therefore must surely be of value to Christians today. The challenge is to unlock this wonderful book in a way that allows one to see the value, the purpose and the blessings found on these sacred pages. Leviticus is God's picture book. When read, meditated upon and approached with intent to see spiritual ideas, Leviticus unlocks and portrays, in a picture format, many Christian principles taught in the New Testament. If the old saying is true that "a picture is worth a thousand words" then Leviticus should be a book all Christians eagerly read and study for it is certainly full of word pictures valuable to all.
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The laws in Leviticus were originally written for the Levites. In fact, "Leviticus" comes from Greek which means "relating to Levites".
I'm not sure why it was decided to leve it in the bible. Maybe for historical preservation? I don't know.
But I do know that it's a historical record of Levite laws, NOT Christian laws.
You are TOO FUNNY, do you realize how much time and energy you expend denying the facts concerning your beliefs. Catholics aren't Christians, or is it Christians aren't Catholics, I've loss track of your foolishness. When slavery in the bible is brought up, you first deny it, then when cornered say it means servants instead of slaves, when that fallacy collapses on you, you claim anything but the KJV is NOT translated properly. Now you claim Leviticus is NOT the word of God, but can't square with the fact that it's in the bible. Actually the book of Leviticus is the unadulterated WORD of God as dictated to Moses on Mount Sinai.

You completely deny the validity of any and all science, you refuse to accept the facts concerning not only your holy book, but your religion in general. You live in a very curious world don't you!!!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text> LIAR
Is Leviticus a rich resource for spiritual growth or a rusty relic ,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_wo...

Slavery is a word which immediately conjures up very specific images in our minds.

When it is mentioned we tend to think of people, almost always black people; degraded, abused and bound in chains, and we tend to think of such images, and the word slavery itself, as belonging to another era.
We do not see slavery as belonging to our world, not as something which is still happening today.

Yet the truth is that if William Wilberforce were alive today and he travelled to different parts of the world - not just in Africa, but also in large parts of Asia, the Middle East, South America and even parts of Europe - he would find children living in conditions and circumstances which Wilberforce would understand and which I am sure he would describe as slavery. It is believed there are nearly nine million children around the world today who are enslaved.

There are international charters and covenants which try to come to a legal definition of what constitutes slavery.
In essence these documents define slavery in the modern world as a situation where a human being and their labour are owned by others, and where that person does not have the freedom to leave and is forced into a life which is exploitative, humiliating and abusive.

'Sexual slavery'
One of the characters in the film I have made for the BBC is Dalyn, a young girl from Cambodia, who after years of counselling and therapy was able and willing to talk to us about how she was sold into sexual slavery in a brothel when she was 12 years old.
Dalyn represents just one of the estimated 1.2 million children that the International Labour Organisation believes are trafficked every year.
Tricked and forced into prostitution, Dalyn spent much of her time locked in a cage with others underneath a brothel - starved, beaten and threatened at gun point until she agreed to service clients.

Unregulated industry
Then there is the gentle and sweet 12-year-old boy Mawulehawe from Ghana, who is sold by his mother to a fishing "master".
Far from being the sadistic and immoral person you would expect, master Aaron is friendly and completely open about what he does and his motives.

Mawulehawe sits and listens as he is haggled over, eventually being sold for £25 ($48).
Many people will be shocked and horrified by such a figure. How can anyone, let alone a mother, put a price on a child's head?
But £25 in Mawulehawe's village is the equivalent of two months salary for a local teacher, or enough water to meet the needs of a family of six for over three months.
In selling him to a fishing master, his relatives believe that far from being sold into anything approximating slavery, Mawulehawe is being given an apprenticeship, a chance for him to learn a trade.

But of course, not all fishing masters are as seemingly caring and gentle as Aaron. Many of the boys which Mawulehawe eventually joins, tell of the beatings, the dangers of diving to loosen trapped nets and the fatalities in this utterly unregulated industry.

Forced to beg
Nearly three thousand miles away in Saudi Arabia, six-year-old Ali was picked up by the authorities for begging on the streets of Jeddah.

He was smuggled into Saudi Arabia from Yemen for this purpose.
Ali says he ended up begging after being beaten with a metal wire when he said he did not want to beg all day.
Ali is one of thousands of Yemeni children sold to gangs and forced to beg each year.
Many of these children smuggled over the border are often sold by families who are duped into believing their offspring will get a better life.

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