Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
Why don't you want to agree with the "random" part of "random quantum fluctuations"?
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You don't have reasons for your choices? Are your choices random?
Simply put , she chose to believe.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
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How does it do that?
I see him in all, so I try not to hurt anyone, because if I hurt them, I hurt my God/Guru, Then if my God/Guru is in pain, I'm in pain, because I love my God/Guru and I can't see it in pain.

Do you not read any of my other posts about sikhi?

Kabeer, repeating, ""You, You"", I have become like You. Nothing of me remains in myself.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
Why don't you want to agree with the "random" part of "random quantum fluctuations"?
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You don't have reasons for your choices? Are your choices random?
I do agree, I was messing with you. I agree that my God causes random quantum fluctuations!
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Nov 20, 2012
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ah... I see you've misread Leviticus.
We all can read what your immoral holy book has to say, its you that insists on interpreting it to eliminate these immoralities. You just can't accept it can you. You and I have gone over this before and calling slaves SERVANTS doesn't change the FACT that the bible tells you how to BUY slaves, how to MARK them as your property, how badly you may BEAT them, and how keeping loved ones hostage forces you to remain a slave. When one person OWNES another, it's called SLAVERY.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Simply put , she chose to believe.
Are you taking my side or his?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
Since many (perhaps even most) atheists were once religious people, we understand religious people quite well.
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Really? You think that it's impossible to question someone's belief if you understand the person?
Why is that?
Look, I understand atheists so I don't say to them, why don't you believe in God? My atheist freinds understand me, so they never tell me to stop believing in my God or interrogate me the way you do. I don't understand muslims, so I question them. I don't understand fanatic christians who go around converting people, so I question them. I don't question something I understand.

Ooops, when I say understand do I actually mean agree with? You've confused me, now I have no idea what I'm talking about!!!!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>We all can read what your immoral holy book has to say, its you that insists on interpreting it to eliminate these immoralities. You just can't accept it can you. You and I have gone over this before and calling slaves SERVANTS doesn't change the FACT that the bible tells you how to BUY slaves, how to MARK them as your property, how badly you may BEAT them, and how keeping loved ones hostage forces you to remain a slave. When one person OWNES another, it's called SLAVERY.
Really? Is the Bible like the koran? Sorry, I've never been tempted to read the Bible.

Redneck, do you have a good explanation for all that? Why is the Bible saying that?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Thinking wrote:
Hitler was also very popular once.
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lllol!

Normally all bad people were and are!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
How does it do that?
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I see him in all, so I try not to hurt anyone, because if I hurt them, I hurt my God/Guru, Then if my God/Guru is in pain, I'm in pain, because I love my God/Guru and I can't see it in pain.
Why not just see *yourself* in all, so that you try not to hurt anyone, because if you hurt them, you hurt yourself?

It's called "empathy".

It doesn't require belief in a god.

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I don't question something I understand.
I question people who I already understand because I want them to understand themselves.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Timmy, me boy, you have this old man a bit confused.
I thought you came on here as an atheist, believing science disproves any deity or supernatural force. What I am presenting IS "scientific" fact. You are literally part of the wiring, figuratively speaking, of the entire universe. That EM and gravity goes everywhere and through everything, and deals with those nuclear forces, pushing them around, actually. So, as the universe goes, you are going to follow. You can't be intelligent unless the universe is.
You say the natural laws are absolute, yet for some reason, you don't believe you or other humans have to follow them. Oh, those galaxies out there have to, but you don't. That appears some supernatural force in us and yourself exists. Or some sort of special privilege.
I can't say you are being hypocritical, but confused in your beliefs may be indicated. But you aren't alone. There are several "atheists" on here believing they are above the natural laws they claim created us. Then they get on here and brazenly sneer at those that believe in a supernatural force. On an international forum for everyone to read. Of course, they hide behind false names. Good reason.
What are you talking about? You think that because a planet is beholden to gravity, that we are beholden to EM, because we have iron in our blood? I never said that I wasn't a part of the universe, but that does not mean that the forces of the universe have a literal control over me. Yes, I am restrained in what I can do and see, but that doesn't me that we are literally remote controlled by some higher power. You are making connections that aren't there.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
Tell you what: Tell us how one would go about looking at God "scientifically". I think we'll quickly come to the answer to your question.
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So you're saying that you think that people should "look at God scientifically", but you can't offer a way to do that?
Then how do you know that it can be done?
Because I have faith in science!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, that's easy.
I do see the difference.
Next.
So, you see the difference, but you continue to insist that everyone is a hard atheist.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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If you wouldn't be so fearful of the word "faith", you'd understand.
Atheists have faith in their opinion that there is no god.
Done.
Since it's not fact, it's belief, or faith...
So, if I think that collecting stamps is a dumb hobby, I have faith that collecting stamps is a dumb hobby?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
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I question people who I already understand because I want them to understand themselves.
LOL!!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What are you talking about? You think that because a planet is beholden to gravity, that we are beholden to EM, because we have iron in our blood? I never said that I wasn't a part of the universe, but that does not mean that the forces of the universe have a literal control over me. Yes, I am restrained in what I can do and see, but that doesn't me that we are literally remote controlled by some higher power. You are making connections that aren't there.
Relax, relax.

I am just pointing out the wiring is there. Really.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>We all can read what your immoral holy book has to say, its you that insists on interpreting it to eliminate these immoralities. You just can't accept it can you. You and I have gone over this before and calling slaves SERVANTS doesn't change the FACT that the bible tells you how to BUY slaves, how to MARK them as your property, how badly you may BEAT them, and how keeping loved ones hostage forces you to remain a slave. When one person OWNES another, it's called SLAVERY.
Wait. The Bible tells *me* how to buy slaves?! Are you certain?

You wanna argue the invalidity of the Bible because it says that water has a face?

Moronic child.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
How does it do that?
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Why not just see *yourself* in all, so that you try not to hurt anyone, because if you hurt them, you hurt yourself?
It's called "empathy".
It doesn't require belief in a god.
I see God in all because I see no difference between me and them, But I only see no difference between me and them, becuase I see God in them.

I do see myself in them, I see the same God within me, within you!

Some people like hurting themselves, so then they will hurt other people because they'll think they're hurting themselves! Isn't it called sadomasochism?

Well maybe I don't have empathy then, but that's just how I see things.

You sound like one of those nutty christians trying to convert me!They ask too many questions too!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Relax, relax.
I am just pointing out the wiring is there. Really.
You are pointing out that the "wiring is there" therefore we are being controlled by a deity. Sure, a deity is possible, but the fact that EM exists is certainly not proof for it. I'm sure if I believed in god, I could find all the proof I needed too.

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Clementia wrote:
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Really? Is the Bible like the koran? Sorry, I've never been tempted to read the Bible.
Redneck, do you have a good explanation for all that? Why is the Bible saying that?
The bible doesn't "tell you how to buy slaves", as numnuts puts it. In modern times, slavery is generally considered a “bad thing”. Historically speaking, on the other hand, in first-century Rome, in the Bible and the United States of America, it was usually considered a quite "good thing" (except possibly by the slaves).

The scripture he's fond of quoting clearly says servants, not "slaves". While easily translated as "slavery", it was more like getting someone to come work for you for free... oh, wait, that is "slavery" ;)

The New Testament makes no condemnation of slave ownership but does have advice for Christian slaves and also regulates how Christian slave owners should treat the slaves they own.

All of this is now obsolete. A rightly so. The Bible teaches us to respect the laws of the land. The laws of slavery has since changed, for the better. I'm sure God is happy about that.

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