Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Ditat Deus”

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#139404 Nov 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I don't "Want" God to have anything, I'm just going by how your God is described in your holy book, and by the way other Christians, and that includes Catholics, describe him to me.
Yes, you want God to have a mouth, hands, lungs, feet, etc so you can ridicule Him.

I ask again, why do you want God do have human attributes?

Why when the bible says that God breathed life into Adam does that mean (to you) that God MUST have a mouth & lungs?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139405 Nov 20, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
If the the most influential body of scientists that are backing atheism, backing the view that God does not exist.
Science doesn't make any claims as to whether or not a god exists. I have yet to see a peer-reviewed scientific research paper in any biology, chemistry, or physics journal that makes the claim that a god does not exist.
bossdrop wrote:
You atheists really only consider evolutionary biologists the only source of credibility on evolutionary theories.
The same could be said for those theists who accept evolutionary theory, too. For instance, the nearly 13,000 U.S. Christian clergy who have signed onto the Clergy Letter Project.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139406 Nov 20, 2012
Since many (perhaps even most) atheists were once religious people, we understand religious people quite well.
Clementia wrote:
You don't understand me, that's why you question my belief!
Really? You think that it's impossible to question someone's belief if you understand the person?

Why is that?

“Ditat Deus”

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#139407 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, why can you not see the distinction between so called "hard atheism" and "soft atheism?" It has been explained to you many times. Does it make you feel better to think that we would be christians if we didn't "believe" so strongly in atheism?
Oh, that's easy.

I do see the difference.

Next.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139408 Nov 20, 2012
Tell you what: Tell us how one would go about looking at God "scientifically". I think we'll quickly come to the answer to your question.
Clementia wrote:
Well, only science can tell us that!
So you're saying that you think that people should "look at God scientifically", but you can't offer a way to do that?

Then how do you know that it can be done?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

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#139409 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, the atheism DEBATE forum.
Yes, atheism DOES require faith.
Atheism, as in, the lack of belief, does not require faith.

There are other definitions of atheism, but there is no definition of atheism that requires faith.(unless you make one up)

Here's your chance, Ar Ar. Do your best. I've decided to make this issue important, so if you fail, I'm gonna taunt you about it until I get bored. You can always bow out now.

?????

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#139410 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you not understand that I was joking with you?
I know we can't do everything! I wish I could fly but it's never going to happen, I'm scared of heights! lol
I know, but that was an opportunity for me to tell you about myself.

I'm scared of heights too, but I like that fear. I like roller coaster rides. Do you?

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#139412 Nov 20, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
There will always be arguments, and that's okay.
I understand the theistic perspective very well. Many of the other atheists on Topix do too. Understanding and agreeing are very different things though.
I like how you seek to join instead of divide. That's worth a lot to me.
:)
NO! There will be no arguments! You better listen to me or do you want this to turn into an argument? If so, bring it on! lol :-)

I believe we can stop the arguments and have intellectual discussions instead, but that is only possible if people want to.

Well, that's what my faith teaches me;

Some are Hindus and others are Muslims; someone is raafjee (follower of Ali); others are Imam-Shafi (adherents of the Prophet); Recognize the whole of the human race as one(dasam granth).

The temple and the mosque are the same, there is no difference between a Hindu worship and Muslim prayer; all the human beings are the same, although they may appear to be different (dasam granth).

You have to understand that every person on this planet has their own mind, this means they will all have thier own views. Even if the whole world followed one religion or if everyone became atheists, there will still be wars. People of the same faith fight with eachother and even scientists argue with eachother, whether they're religious or atheists. The only people on this earth, who do not want to fight or argue are the saints, they just want to live in peace with everyone, but nobody wants to live in peace with them, then they have to fight!

Thanks!:-)
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139413 Nov 20, 2012
Hitler was also very popular once.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
And the best selling & highest produced book of all time.
ahhh.........
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139414 Nov 20, 2012
Wrong. Look at the Tsunami. Look at the famines. Look at the poor in general.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
*looking*
Nope. I see a bunch of non religious people suffering....
That is mostly by choice, you know?

“Ditat Deus”

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#139415 Nov 20, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism, as in, the lack of belief, does not require faith.
There are other definitions of atheism, but there is no definition of atheism that requires faith.(unless you make one up)
Here's your chance, Ar Ar. Do your best. I've decided to make this issue important, so if you fail, I'm gonna taunt you about it until I get bored. You can always bow out now.
?????
If you wouldn't be so fearful of the word "faith", you'd understand.

Atheists have faith in their opinion that there is no god.

Done.

Since it's not fact, it's belief, or faith...

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#139416 Nov 20, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I know, but that was an opportunity for me to tell you about myself.
I'm scared of heights too, but I like that fear. I like roller coaster rides. Do you?
Oh, ok! Thanks!

OMG, I always think my heart is going to stay up when the ride goes down, if you get what i'm saying? yh, i love rides, the carousel ride is my favourite, lol! Roller coaster rides are more bloody scary after watching final destination! Those films are f...aaaahhhhhhhhhhh, I can't even swear before i blumin scream. lol.

I really want to do a bungy jump! OMG i'm scared already! lol

“Ditat Deus”

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#139417 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Hitler was also very popular once.
<quoted text>
I'm sure you know everything about him. You atheists stick together.

“Ditat Deus”

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#139418 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Wrong. Look at the Tsunami. Look at the famines. Look at the poor in general.
<quoted text>
"look at THE tsunami"?! WTF?

What famines?

What poor in general?

Be specific, I can't debate you if you speak in such generalistic terms...

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#139419 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Why don't you want to agree with the "random" part of "random quantum fluctuations"?
<quoted text>
You don't have reasons for your choices? Are your choices random?
Simply put , she chose to believe.

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#139420 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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How does it do that?
I see him in all, so I try not to hurt anyone, because if I hurt them, I hurt my God/Guru, Then if my God/Guru is in pain, I'm in pain, because I love my God/Guru and I can't see it in pain.

Do you not read any of my other posts about sikhi?

Kabeer, repeating, ""You, You"", I have become like You. Nothing of me remains in myself.
When the difference between myself and others is removed, then wherever I look, I see only You.||204||

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#139421 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Why don't you want to agree with the "random" part of "random quantum fluctuations"?
<quoted text>
You don't have reasons for your choices? Are your choices random?
I do agree, I was messing with you. I agree that my God causes random quantum fluctuations!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#139422 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah... I see you've misread Leviticus.
We all can read what your immoral holy book has to say, its you that insists on interpreting it to eliminate these immoralities. You just can't accept it can you. You and I have gone over this before and calling slaves SERVANTS doesn't change the FACT that the bible tells you how to BUY slaves, how to MARK them as your property, how badly you may BEAT them, and how keeping loved ones hostage forces you to remain a slave. When one person OWNES another, it's called SLAVERY.

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#139423 Nov 20, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Simply put , she chose to believe.
Are you taking my side or his?

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#139424 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Since many (perhaps even most) atheists were once religious people, we understand religious people quite well.
<quoted text>
Really? You think that it's impossible to question someone's belief if you understand the person?
Why is that?
Look, I understand atheists so I don't say to them, why don't you believe in God? My atheist freinds understand me, so they never tell me to stop believing in my God or interrogate me the way you do. I don't understand muslims, so I question them. I don't understand fanatic christians who go around converting people, so I question them. I don't question something I understand.

Ooops, when I say understand do I actually mean agree with? You've confused me, now I have no idea what I'm talking about!!!!

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