Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#139343 Nov 20, 2012
Perhaps he prays to magneto?
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I get a sick feeling in my stomach every time I see one of your transparent attempts to feign wisdom. Just stop it. The fact that a magnet can exert a force on a piece of metal does not "prove" that we are being "controlled" by EM. You are bordering on delusions of grandeur - thinking you have "figured it all out." From "my" perspective - the universe is incomprehensible - but not to you, right? You know the secret of the magnets!
Seriously, please stop spouting this garbage at me. It's cool if you wanna believe this nonsense. What you can't do is claim a few simple facts - that magnets exist and that our blood has iron - and then expect me to believe you when you say that we are being controlled by the EM gods.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#139344 Nov 20, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Bad judgement?
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139345 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
It's not my fault, if I use he. God is unisex in sikhi, we have male and female names for him and we don't say he, we say they. Oh, shit! I said he again, damn!!! This is the fault of the English speaking people, they made God male.
You could use "it".
Clementia wrote:
Does gravity give you inner strength? do you love it? could you die for it? Has it helped you become a better person? If so, you can believe it if you want, I don't!
No, none of those things.

So why should anyone "worship" anything?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139346 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
Because I don't want to! simple!
Why don't you want to agree with the "random" part of "random quantum fluctuations"?

Since: Oct 12

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#139347 Nov 20, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have a problem with atheists either. In the context of an internet "friend", I have made a number of friends on topix, even some that are atheists. In fact, I rather have an argument with an atheist because they usually go indepth with their criticisms and defense of what they stand for.
And I agree with you as well about those trying to impose their views. I'm a Christian. Proud of it and proud that I worship Jesus Christ as God. But nowhere in the accounts of Jesus' life on earth, did Jesus ever tell his followers to force people to worship Him Jesus, as God. All Jesus said was to "go and tell". That's it. Christians can't make anyone worship Jesus. Once a person has heard the Gospel of Christ, then its their decision to embrace, or reject. After someone reads or hears the Gospel, it then becomes personal between that person, and God. The responsibility of the Christian to that person is over. If after a person knows, and the Christian or Organization is forcing the issue, then that Christian or Org. is exhibiting cult like tendencies. And a cult is anti-freedom, and not of God.
And I know almost everyone in this forum, have read about Jesus Christ. They reject, that is their issue. I mostly stop by to see the latest argument and defense these atheists have for their beliefs...which can be both hilarious and require a serious response or two at times.
"Go and tell" who? Jesus tried to stop being doing evil things, these 'christians' that go around trying to convert people don't stop people from doing evil, they just make them say "I love jesus".

I have met some of the nicest atheists on this planet. They don't kill, steal, rape, murder, hate and judge people, but those fanatic 'christians' have even tried converting them. I have had christians telling me I'm one of the nicest people they've met, but no i'm still going to hell because i'm a sikh. How can these people say they are doing the work of Jesus??? They disgust me!!

I respect jesus too, but not everything that is written in the bible.

Since: Oct 12

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#139348 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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You could use "it".
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No, none of those things.
So why should anyone "worship" anything?
Ok, I'll use they or it!

Worshiping my God helps me to be a better person. There is no point in believing in God if you are still evil. If you can be a good person without believing in God, I have no problem with you being an atheist.

Since: Oct 12

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#139349 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Why don't you want to agree with the "random" part of "random quantum fluctuations"?
because i have a choice not to!

Since: Sep 08

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#139350 Nov 20, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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There isn't even a good definition of the term 'supernatural force'. If it is a 'force', it obeys some sort of force law, and therefore is *natural*. If it doesn't obey some sort of force law, then there is no way to test to see if it is a valid idea, so it is not scientific.
if you want the concept of a supernatural force to be considered seriously, you have to propose a testable theory involving one (with definitions, etc). And no, untestable theories are not going to be considered.
Are dark energy, and the forces of dark matter supernatural? They certainly would be considered such unless they were needed to make your calculations appear correct.

Would the EM of dark matter work the same as visible? If the gravity of dark matter originated in the BB, wouldn't the accompanying EM? Along with the nuclear forces? Could it be detected? Is it detected? Would the forces of this darkness cancel that of the visible?

“Live Good, & Feel Good.”

Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#139351 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
And how does science disprove any of that?
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Evidence?(From actual peer-reviewed scientific research articles, not from popular newspapers or magazines.)
Well that's my whole point einstien.

If the the most influential body of scientists that are backing atheism, backing the view that God does not exist. That body of influence are evolutionary biologists. And as I showed you yesterday, this body of scientists are under the most assault with the threat of losing their jobs because of so limited institutions and places of employment, reason they tow the line of "No God", what do you think will become of "peer review"??...huh?

You atheists really only consider evolutionary biologists the only source of credibility on evolutionary theories. Any other scientists that criticize your beliefs are "not real" scientists or not relevant critiques you all say. So if there is peer review among a body of scientists where many are only trying to keep their jobs to pay their bills, the result of those peer reviews pretty much will result in group think.

In other words, a classic Catch 22. The only legitimate criticisms atheists will consider, are those from evolutionary biologists. And many of those evolutionary biologists cannot criticize or give their true assessment of the theories...because they are afraid to lose their jobs. Those are facts. There are evolutionary scientists that have lost their jobs because they claim belief in God and criticize ToE.

The result: simpletons like you therefore can cling maniacally to an absurd belief system and throw up the defense anytime...'evolutionary biological scientists agree no God...so there must be no God'.

Your religion has been figured out, the scheme is up.

Since: Oct 12

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#139352 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Since many (perhaps even most) atheists were once religious people, we understand religious people quite well.
You don't understand me, that's why you question my belief! I understand atheists, that's why I never questioned their disbelief! I don't have a problem with you not believing in my God, but you seem to have some kind of problem with me. Am I wrong?

Since: Oct 12

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#139353 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Tell you what: Tell us how one would go about looking at God "scientifically".
I think we'll quickly come to the answer to your question.
Well, only science can tell us that!

Since: Sep 08

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#139354 Nov 20, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Too bad. Quantum events *are* random.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-relation...

I don't think you truly grasp the physical realities of quantum mechanics.

You are confusing problems with observing with the actual physical goings on.

Your "randomness" is "magic". POOF!!! Or it is mathematical fudge factors for incorrect observation and interpretation.

Since: Apr 11

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#139355 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
I was 16, my peer group a couple of years older. They decided it would be a great idea to let a match burn its complete length across the back of our hands. I decided I didn't want a permanent burn scar, but felt obliged to do something daft. Yes, beer was involved.
The working loose was aided by the tip of my tongue, which was very sore by end of it all. If you ever feel the need to waste 5g of Super Glue, I recommend you try to part the first fingers - where they join your hands - first.
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21nOV12.....

.....There was NO Superglu when you were 16. Superglue hasn't been toooooooooooo longy.

Ps:....Stop da LIES and da bullschit.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“Live Good, & Feel Good.”

Since: Aug 09

Atl.

#139357 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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"Go and tell" who? Jesus tried to stop being doing evil things, these 'christians' that go around trying to convert people don't stop people from doing evil, they just make them say "I love jesus".
I have met some of the nicest atheists on this planet. They don't kill, steal, rape, murder, hate and judge people, but those fanatic 'christians' have even tried converting them. I have had christians telling me I'm one of the nicest people they've met, but no i'm still going to hell because i'm a sikh. How can these people say they are doing the work of Jesus??? They disgust me!!
I respect jesus too, but not everything that is written in the bible.
A sikh eh?...met a lot of sikhs in my travels in Asia. In fact, quite a few work for a marketing firm I have contracts with. You guys are nice people :)

Look, I will be the first to tell you, I don't like the Christian Religion either. Religion cannot make someone know Jesus Christ. The Christian Religion, have done many evil things throughout history. I think its Gandhi that said he has no problem with Jesus, its Christians he don't like or something like that. I would agree.

Just because someone says they are a Christian, does not mean they know Jesus Christ. and if they do not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, then all they have is a religion.

As far as the teachings on hell..<shrughs>. It comes down to this. Do you believe God is Omnipotent? If you say yes, then you must ask yourself, why would it be too hard for God to have His creation mankind document in a book exactly what He GoD wanted us to know. And would it be too hard for God to have mankind choose the books of the bible that is authentic to God's knowledge to us mankind.

If you say that would not be too hard for an Omnipotent God, and I agree that would not be too hard for God...then why would you not believe the teachings about Hell?

And if you say, that would be too hard for God and you're still skeptical of whats in the bible...then you have to conclude, God is not Omnipotent. And if you conclude God is not Omnipotent, then you must conclude there is no God. Because by definition, God has to be Omnipotent.

I believe God is Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent. So although there are many teachings and accounts in the bible that I may not agree with, to me they are authentic.

But unfortunately, Christians do wield hell like a hammer. Sorry to say I have done it in the pass as well. But hell is not to be wielded like a hammer. It does nothing to bring people to Christ and in fact may make people more resistant to the teachings of Christ.

Since: Apr 11

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#139358 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Coring bunt, isn't he?
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21Nov12.....

Waddsamadda. BobLoblah frightened da beJesus out of ya by giving ya a taste of yer own medicine in foul language???

....and so says 'dimKing' da 'sistaPhucka' of da trolloping 'seepageQueen'.

Ps:....dought dat you didn't readUP BobLoblah's postings!!!

....aaaaahhhhhh 'dimKing' da LIAR.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

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#139359 Nov 20, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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I did give you the heads up about our beloved nob gobbler.
21Nov12.....

....den, why is your head always down on 'dimKing'???

Ps:...'christineM'....da seepageQueen....sant to da tune of Abba's dancingQueen.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

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#139360 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
21Nov12.....

.....then why did you spend so much time down at the BBC with Sevile and Glitter!!!!!!!!

Ps:....Did you do presentations on 'ELMO' as well???

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Sep 11

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#139361 Nov 20, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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But you are.
It's magnetic current, a name for the basic energy flow, not "magnets". You have to get past thinking in "things", and into processes.
That energy flow and how it makes "matter", and how it is a closed system is revealed in your BBT. You are part of the circuitry. Like it or not.
Even if it was a singularity, the injection of energy from the BB started an energy flow, and thus a polarity, leading and trailing ends of that flow. If it is a closed container.
Look up spherical capacitor. This planet is one. Atoms are, too. Think. Make some connections.
You might understand if you get older. Your energy level will drop and you will feel more of the forces of the universe. Right now you are a young puppy bouncing around, oblivious to everything.
Don't you just hate that?
I'm curious if others have noticed this, but for many years I can feel the perihelion approach. There is even a bit of motion sickness before. Things get heavy. A few days afterwards and everything lightens up. There is more to it than just decreasing sunlight. There is a change in orbital speed and gravity.
Yes, dave, I know that you're talking about magnetic currents. I say things like "god of the magnets" to mess with you. All your nonsensical pontificating about electricity does not prove, or even suggest, that we are being "controlled" by the EM force. The presence of a magnetic element in our blood does not mean that we are at the whim of the EM force.

But anyways, this is a pointless conversation. You are the most enlightened man on the planet, you know the secret of the universe, and you are too laid back to tell anyone but a few people on topix. Got it.

Since: Apr 11

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#139362 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Well if the cap fits... oh sorry, you're a catholtard.
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21Nov12.....

.....Explain to ALL da posters how you managed to get your hand off of yer pencilDick 'after' covering it with Superglue.

Ps:....Dat otta cause everyVone ta schidt demselves.

Right,'Doublefine'.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

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#139363 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Yet your god chooses to kill Americans (37th place for life expectancy by country) before the Japanese (numero uno)... is it because you've been a bad little nob gobbler?
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21Nov12....

.....and in vot place are you 'cockneys'???

Ps:....You are a 'cockNey', aren't you 'dimKing'.
Ya never got outside da sound of da bells.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

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