Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#139393 Nov 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Dave, did you know that computers never generate random numbers? Not at all, it's impossible for them to. This is because random is mathematically impossible, once an algorithm is developed to map out events it ceases to be random, because we just stop perceiving it as random. Computers simulate the unknown quantities by producing what we call pseudo-random values, based on a stored set of values in the chip set, these values are the response given whenever a "random" number is requested by the program. They are always in the exact same order, what changes is the starting location, often called the "seed." Seed values are typically determined by the clock value, the milliseconds since epoch typically, then the program uses that seed as the starting point in the list of numerical values. The best approach is to change the seed often, based on a specific queue from the program to poll the time value and apply that as the new seed.
However, no matter how well someone codes this, if you're keen on patterns you will see the pattern. I can see the pattern in video games all the time, to me, nothing in a computer game is ever random, because I spot the pattern and the queue becomes autonomic for me. It's one reason people don't like to play against me in any game that depends on the random method calls.
The point of all that, nothing, and I do mean nothing, in the universe is random, however, just because nothing is random doesn't mean everything has to have a "purpose."
I must confess it is a pleasant surprise to see you finally agree with us cause and effect people. You had me worried there.

Now, please explain that to Polymath.

Oh, everything can have a purpose. If it exists, and things are in motion, it will eventually become part of the equations.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#139394 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Idiot.
You ignored my questions.
Let's try again.
Should we get an old science book about star formation? You know, back when they "knew" the Milky Way was the universe?
Or should we get a newer one, where they "know" more about gravity & hydrogen?
Or should we wait for a future science book where they'll "know" even more?
here are some books you might try, The Universe From Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing. It was written by Lawrence Krauss, published in 2012

Wolfgang Brandner book Planet Formation is excellent. He's a professor at Cambridge Astrobiology

Philip Armitage's book Astrophysics of Planet Formation is good. Publish date 2010

One of my favorites is John Bally's book The Birth Of Stars and Planets. A little old though published i 2006, probably completes irrelevant by now. LOL

Oh, since you don't believe anything science tells you, why not just make shit up about how planets and stars are formed.....oh wait, your religion already does that, sorry!!!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139395 Nov 20, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Dude, seriously are you that friggin dumb????
Definition of CHRISTIAN (Merriam-Webster)
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a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
Last time I checked, Catholics believe in Jesus. In fact, if you were to say study world history you would know that the Catholic church is the "ancestor" of all western Christianity sects. Catholicism was the only Christianity in Medieval Europe until Martin Luther came along
They have the same roots but have diverged into different religions.

Saying Catholics are Christians is like saying Jews are Christians.

Similar, but still different.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139396 Nov 20, 2012
Adam wrote:
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No you are the troll. THis is an Atheism forum last time I checked. You and your fundie friends like to dictate your fundie batshit crazy beliefs onto us, not the other way around.
Yes, the atheism DEBATE forum.

Yes, atheism DOES require faith.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139397 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
The bible: a crazy work of fiction.
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And the best selling & highest produced book of all time.

ahhh.........

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#139398 Nov 20, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'm not a fan of unbridled optimism.
I'm a realist.
I calculate.
I'm not cold though. I'm a warm calculator.
Did you not understand that I was joking with you?

I know we can't do everything! I wish I could fly but it's never going to happen, I'm scared of heights! lol

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139399 Nov 20, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Thats not a bad idea. Why act as if you dont exist? An impersonal god that creates the universe then sits back and does jack, is not a being requiring worship. An iron age despot would require his subjects to grovel in the dirt for mercy? Hmm I wonder why the god of the bible is like that?
God doesn't act like He doesn't exist. You simply refuse to see Him.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139400 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Looking at the demographics, it's mainly religious people suffering.
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*looking*

Nope. I see a bunch of non religious people suffering....

That is mostly by choice, you know?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139401 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
Worshiping my God helps me to be a better person.
How does it do that?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139402 Nov 20, 2012
Why don't you want to agree with the "random" part of "random quantum fluctuations"?
Clementia wrote:
because i have a choice not to!
You don't have reasons for your choices? Are your choices random?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139403 Nov 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Catholics to Christians is the same as carrot is to vegetable. Celery is a different name than carrot but both fare still vegetables. Why is it overtime I post you i feel like I'm dealing with a 12 years old. YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN. Avoid it all you want, but you are classified by everyone else on the planet as a CHRISTIAN. Learn to deal with it. I know it's difficult but do give it a try!!!!
hmph...

No shit I'm a Christian. I've said that like 100 times...

Thanks for the clarity.

I am not a catholic, though...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139404 Nov 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I don't "Want" God to have anything, I'm just going by how your God is described in your holy book, and by the way other Christians, and that includes Catholics, describe him to me.
Yes, you want God to have a mouth, hands, lungs, feet, etc so you can ridicule Him.

I ask again, why do you want God do have human attributes?

Why when the bible says that God breathed life into Adam does that mean (to you) that God MUST have a mouth & lungs?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139405 Nov 20, 2012
bossdrop wrote:
If the the most influential body of scientists that are backing atheism, backing the view that God does not exist.
Science doesn't make any claims as to whether or not a god exists. I have yet to see a peer-reviewed scientific research paper in any biology, chemistry, or physics journal that makes the claim that a god does not exist.
bossdrop wrote:
You atheists really only consider evolutionary biologists the only source of credibility on evolutionary theories.
The same could be said for those theists who accept evolutionary theory, too. For instance, the nearly 13,000 U.S. Christian clergy who have signed onto the Clergy Letter Project.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139406 Nov 20, 2012
Since many (perhaps even most) atheists were once religious people, we understand religious people quite well.
Clementia wrote:
You don't understand me, that's why you question my belief!
Really? You think that it's impossible to question someone's belief if you understand the person?

Why is that?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#139407 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, why can you not see the distinction between so called "hard atheism" and "soft atheism?" It has been explained to you many times. Does it make you feel better to think that we would be christians if we didn't "believe" so strongly in atheism?
Oh, that's easy.

I do see the difference.

Next.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#139408 Nov 20, 2012
Tell you what: Tell us how one would go about looking at God "scientifically". I think we'll quickly come to the answer to your question.
Clementia wrote:
Well, only science can tell us that!
So you're saying that you think that people should "look at God scientifically", but you can't offer a way to do that?

Then how do you know that it can be done?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#139409 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, the atheism DEBATE forum.
Yes, atheism DOES require faith.
Atheism, as in, the lack of belief, does not require faith.

There are other definitions of atheism, but there is no definition of atheism that requires faith.(unless you make one up)

Here's your chance, Ar Ar. Do your best. I've decided to make this issue important, so if you fail, I'm gonna taunt you about it until I get bored. You can always bow out now.

?????

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#139410 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Did you not understand that I was joking with you?
I know we can't do everything! I wish I could fly but it's never going to happen, I'm scared of heights! lol
I know, but that was an opportunity for me to tell you about myself.

I'm scared of heights too, but I like that fear. I like roller coaster rides. Do you?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#139412 Nov 20, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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There will always be arguments, and that's okay.
I understand the theistic perspective very well. Many of the other atheists on Topix do too. Understanding and agreeing are very different things though.
I like how you seek to join instead of divide. That's worth a lot to me.
:)
NO! There will be no arguments! You better listen to me or do you want this to turn into an argument? If so, bring it on! lol :-)

I believe we can stop the arguments and have intellectual discussions instead, but that is only possible if people want to.

Well, that's what my faith teaches me;

Some are Hindus and others are Muslims; someone is raafjee (follower of Ali); others are Imam-Shafi (adherents of the Prophet); Recognize the whole of the human race as one(dasam granth).

The temple and the mosque are the same, there is no difference between a Hindu worship and Muslim prayer; all the human beings are the same, although they may appear to be different (dasam granth).

You have to understand that every person on this planet has their own mind, this means they will all have thier own views. Even if the whole world followed one religion or if everyone became atheists, there will still be wars. People of the same faith fight with eachother and even scientists argue with eachother, whether they're religious or atheists. The only people on this earth, who do not want to fight or argue are the saints, they just want to live in peace with everyone, but nobody wants to live in peace with them, then they have to fight!

Thanks!:-)
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139413 Nov 20, 2012
Hitler was also very popular once.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And the best selling & highest produced book of all time.
ahhh.........

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