Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
Catcher1 wrote:
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Shakespear?
In journalism school (I know something about this), the first thing you have drilled into you is:
Read your copy, read your copy, then read your copy.
.. don’t think of what you critique as “dumbing down” your writing. It is, but don’t think of it that way ..

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Nov 20, 2012
 
bossdrop wrote:
<quoted text>I like it! As I like to say of atheists..a mind is a terrible thing to waste ;)
And your summation is the whole point and bottom line...it could not have happened on its own. And for people with a mind to actually believe it could, shows their ultimate delusional fantasy and desperate effort to eliminate God from existence. I think atheists are sad and funny.
It's more beautiful when you listen to it or read it in gurmukhi, because the verses rhyme and are very sweet.

I don't have any problem with atheists! I have a problem with people who think they know it all and who then try to enforce their view on me. Normally, but not always, these people are the religious nuts! The atheists I know, told me about their beliefs but they have never tried to 'convert' me. That 'virtue' only belongs to the fanatic religious people.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
I think the danger would be adhering vital surfaces, the windpipe being the most likely? If (big if) you survived the glue setting, I think you'd pass it through fairly safely. I once glued my hands together for a bet, warm water undermined that bond soon enough.

Wouldn't recommend it though.
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Hey, just a thought... What if someone would ingest superglue?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Who says the world just created itself?
I'm an atheist. I would never say that. Every atheist I know would not say that. Are you sure it was an atheist?
I can assure you, atheists in general don't hold the opinion that the world created itself. That would require that the world existed before it existed, in order to create itself.
Try to be more articulate in the future.
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SORRY!! I have a habit of talking in generalities and not being very articulate, I'm honestly sorry. I will definitely try to express my view more clearly.

An atheist never actually said that the world just created itself, that was just me being stupid and lazy to write out what he actually said, sorry again.

The problem is that most religious people don't want to understand atheists and vice versa. My belief isn't that different to most atheists. The main difference is that I use the word God where atheists use a question mark, other than that we agree on mostly everything else. If we all tried to understand eachother, I believe there wouldn't be any arguements.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Ooops, I meant arguments.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I can't do anything about it on my end.
You can do anything and everything, you just have to believe!:-)
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Nov 20, 2012
 
So why do so many children die of childhood leukaemia? Don't enough people want them to survive?
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You can do anything and everything, you just have to believe!:-)

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#139263
Nov 20, 2012
 
Double Fine wrote:
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Somehow, I doubt her rifle skills.
Which end hurts the people again?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Thinking wrote:
I think the danger would be adhering vital surfaces, the windpipe being the most likely? If (big if) you survived the glue setting, I think you'd pass it through fairly safely. I once glued my hands together for a bet, warm water undermined that bond soon enough.
Wouldn't recommend it though.
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You glued your hands together for a bet?

Using what?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
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All of your gravity based theories of the origination of the universe need new thingies to prop them up.
Shoulda got it right the first time. Or at least the first several.
There is a difference between having the right theory of gravity and having the right theory of the different types of matter. Modified gravity theories all require dark matter to agree with the observations. There is simply no other way to account for the *detailed* observations of lensing and stellar/galactic velocities. But the standard theory also works under the assumption that there is dark matter. It is also easier and more motivated than the modified gravity theories.

And no, it is NOT a requirement that we 'get it right' the first time, or the second time, or even the hundredth time. The scientific method works by *continually* subjecting our ideas to tests and modifying or rejecting those theories that don't hold up. Even when the basic theories are correct, the specifics of any particular situation are still unknown, so the details are still subject to testing and re-evaluation.

In the case of dark matter, the basic theory of gravity (i.e, general relativity) stay intact, but we add a new type of matter to what was known previously. This type of matter is also consistent with our modern views of particle physics (there are many different possibilities for the identity of dark matter), so this is not a stretch. Why would we expect all types of matter to interact with light?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
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There is a difference between having the right theory of gravity and having the right theory of the different types of matter. Modified gravity theories all require dark matter to agree with the observations. There is simply no other way to account for the *detailed* observations of lensing and stellar/galactic velocities. But the standard theory also works under the assumption that there is dark matter. It is also easier and more motivated than the modified gravity theories.
And no, it is NOT a requirement that we 'get it right' the first time, or the second time, or even the hundredth time. The scientific method works by *continually* subjecting our ideas to tests and modifying or rejecting those theories that don't hold up. Even when the basic theories are correct, the specifics of any particular situation are still unknown, so the details are still subject to testing and re-evaluation.
In the case of dark matter, the basic theory of gravity (i.e, general relativity) stay intact, but we add a new type of matter to what was known previously. This type of matter is also consistent with our modern views of particle physics (there are many different possibilities for the identity of dark matter), so this is not a stretch. Why would we expect all types of matter to interact with light?
I agree with much of what you posted.

Now, why the outright denial a supernatural force is responsible? You certainly don't have enough evidence to make that a fact.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
A veritable palm full of Loctite Super Glue. Took about 50 minutes to work loose.
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You glued your hands together for a bet?
Using what?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>STOP!!! STOP being so friggin childish. The world didn't "just create itself." Why the hell don't you quite the dumb broad routine, and learn some science!! Grow the frig up and read a science book, anyone will do for a start. In this era of abundant information, making a statement like "the world just didn't create itself" is almost criminal. The information is there for all to learn, refute it all you want, but learn what science says about how stars and planet are formed. Being willfully ignorant is one of the worst traits a human can have. Educate yourself, you're looking incredibly stupid!!!!
Hold your horses! I surrender to your criticism, now put the friggin pistol of scrutiny away.

Thanks, sometimes I need a good telling off to calm be down!

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Thinking wrote:
A veritable palm full of Loctite Super Glue. Took about 50 minutes to work loose.
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Wait.

So you glued it, allowed it to set, then worked it loose, instead of washing it off?

On a tangent, what did you have to drink before said event?

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Thinking wrote:
So why do so many children die of childhood leukaemia? Don't enough people want them to survive?
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I was joking with 'Tide', that had nothing to do with you or anybody else!

Ask that question to people who think we can control death. Also ask those people that think they know what God is upto. I don't have the answer!

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Yes you should gay with an old science book.
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Oh and Catholics are Christian, sorry but they really are.
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Catholics aren't Christian.

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This is why they have different names.

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<quoted text>No, the bibles description involves human characteristic, as In "he created man i. HIS image and LIKENESS. Like "Who can know the mind of God." "And God LOOKED down", means he's got eyes, "and God SAID", a mouth also. "And God picked up the dirt" he's got hands, and blew on it, mouth again, and lungs. So your full of shit, once again,m it your bible and you Christians who have displayed your God with many human characteristics.
Yes, he has both, according to your holy book, human characteristics and FLAWS. like this:
Idiot. That sums you up in one word....

"God SAID", so He has a mouth? Why does God need a mouth? Why do you want God to have hands? Why do you want God to have eyes?

So you can try to scrutinize Him. Good luck with that.

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blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>No, some of us LACK a belief!!!
No, some of you BELIEVE there is no god.

OK!!!
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Nov 20, 2012
 
I was 16, my peer group a couple of years older. They decided it would be a great idea to let a match burn its complete length across the back of our hands. I decided I didn't want a permanent burn scar, but felt obliged to do something daft. Yes, beer was involved.

The working loose was aided by the tip of my tongue, which was very sore by end of it all. If you ever feel the need to waste 5g of Super Glue, I recommend you try to part the first fingers - where they join your hands - first.
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Wait.
So you glued it, allowed it to set, then worked it loose, instead of washing it off?
On a tangent, what did you have to drink before said event?

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<quoted text>In your case, it shouldn't make much difference, anything with the basic, here's how stars and planets form.
Idiot.

You ignored my questions.

Let's try again.

Should we get an old science book about star formation? You know, back when they "knew" the Milky Way was the universe?

Or should we get a newer one, where they "know" more about gravity & hydrogen?

Or should we wait for a future science book where they'll "know" even more?

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