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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#139291 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, it wouldn't disturb me. In fact, it would have no effect on me, or how I live my life.
And about the magnet/hanging rock. So what? You can't assume that the same is true of humans, and you can't explain the mechanism by which we could be controlled via the iron in our blood. These are your pipe dreams, and that's fine, but stop acting like you have a shred of proof for them.
Oh, my young fellow inmate trapped in this material world.

First, technology and physics employed by us proves that the effect on the rock and humans is the same. Very widespread.

Now, let me clue you into a hard fact of physical life. You can only do what you are allowed to do by superior forces. You fight one directly and you will lose. You will get worn out even if it is slightly stronger than you. Knowing where to stand and use leverage of various sorts is the key to getting what you want done, but even then you have to be allowed to get into those positions to effect such. All the way down to the most basic of actions, including thought. Something has to move out of the way for your puny force to express itself. You have a universe of much stronger forces than you restricting your initiatives. All moving at a very rapid pace, and from your perspective, in an incomprehensible pattern. Something as simple as the gravity holding the earth in orbit is also holding you, plus the galaxy holding the sun and earth and you. They are far away, but they have you firmly in their grip. You dance to their tune. Period. You have the illusion you can move on your own if and when you desire. This is hard physics. The universe is bound by very strong forces in relation to you.

It lets you think you exist the way you are.

If that physical universe moves according to your will, it is because there is a leverage you possess on a dimension you can't see letting you act.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#139292 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Very few believe 100% there is no god.
Many however believe that the all powerful compassionate god that christians worship can not under any circumstances exist because there is avoidable suffering.
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Yes there is avoidable suffering. God has taught us how to avoid it. Some choose not to listen.

Do you think should zap us all with fuzzy feelings & fix everything for us?

Since: Oct 12

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#139293 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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So you're ok with "energy creating itself", but if science were to say that, you would have a problem with it?
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I don't care if she's a young girl with a tattoo sitting on a bar stool. There's still not a single shred of evidence that points to her existence. So why believe in her?
I never said I have any problem with science!!!!!!!!!!

I'm saying we should look at God scientifically. Why do you have to make the God belief a 'cuckoo concept'?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#139294 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Why don't we use the best books at the time?
Newton's great for getting to the Moon.
Getting to Mercury, or resetting GPS satellites takes a bit of Newton, plus a bit of Einstein on top for relativistic rounding.
What we don't do is this: ask women to burn a dove after every period (Old Testament) and endorse slavery as jesus did (New Testament).
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Ah... I see you've misread Leviticus.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#139295 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Which idiots put that notion into atheists heads in the first place?
Atheists did. They really need proof in order to not believe. I don't know why.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#139296 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Catholics aren't Christian.
der
This is why they have different names.
Moron
Dude, seriously are you that friggin dumb????

Definition of CHRISTIAN (Merriam-Webster)
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a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

Last time I checked, Catholics believe in Jesus. In fact, if you were to say study world history you would know that the Catholic church is the "ancestor" of all western Christianity sects. Catholicism was the only Christianity in Medieval Europe until Martin Luther came along

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#139297 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>This is a distinction that many christian's either can't understand, or refuse to understand. I think it makes some of you feel better to think that we would be christians if not for this really strong belief in atheism. That is not the case. There are two "types" of athiesm. One is simply a lack of belief. That describes me, and many others. The other is a belief that no god exists. That does not describe me, and clearly does not describe blacklagoon, which is what he was trying to tell you.
I can't speak for "many Christians", just one. If you have a question for me (and not all of Christianity), them ask.

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Since: Jul 12

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#139298 Nov 20, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Btw double digit IQ, if you are doing something gag with a science book you are using it wrong. Pull it out of your Christhole and open it in front of you face with the words and illustrations facing right side up.
This would explain why you know so little about science and well... Everything.
Books are made for reading RR not stuffing up your @rse. This revelation may just open a whole new world for you.
You're welcome.
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Troll much?

Since: Oct 12

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#139299 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Ever watched something balancing on a very tiny point, and a small vibration makes it unbalanced and it falls off?
So what happens when you've got an entire Universe in a very high energy state (compressed into a very tiny space), and random quantum fluctuations cause it to fall from that very high energy state into a lower state resulting in a massive inflation in size?
"random quantum fluctuations"......I can agree with that but not the "random" part.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#139300 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Troll much?
No you are the troll. THis is an Atheism forum last time I checked. You and your fundie friends like to dictate your fundie batshit crazy beliefs onto us, not the other way around.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139301 Nov 20, 2012
So why is facial hair so important to the many religious people?
Clementia wrote:
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He's not a man or a woman. He's not a human, animal, plant or anything we have ever seen or heard of. At present, his form is beyond our comprehension.
I think we humans need to stop wasting time and/or money trying to find out what God looks like. Scientists need to focus more on important things like saving children dying from leukemia. If we did that then maybe less children would die from it.
We shouldn't forget that too much curiosity killed the cat!!
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139302 Nov 20, 2012
No.

Also, your god needs feeding and is unable to overcome iron chariots!

The bible: a crazy work of fiction.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ah... I see you've misread Leviticus.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#139303 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Do you think should zap us all with fuzzy feelings & fix everything for us?
Thats not a bad idea. Why act as if you dont exist? An impersonal god that creates the universe then sits back and does jack, is not a being requiring worship. An iron age despot would require his subjects to grovel in the dirt for mercy? Hmm I wonder why the god of the bible is like that?
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139304 Nov 20, 2012
Looking at the demographics, it's mainly religious people suffering.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes there is avoidable suffering. God has taught us how to avoid it. Some choose not to listen.
Do you think should zap us all with fuzzy feelings & fix everything for us?

Since: Oct 12

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#139305 Nov 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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The Earth didn't create itself.
Gravity created it.
So then maybe gravity is what I call God! Now tell me, is gravity a man with a long white beard or a girl with a tattoo? Maybe, gravity is a ballerina with pretty blonde hair and blue eyes?
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139306 Nov 20, 2012
I don't think my interpretation will help you. My knowledge of Guru Nanak is next to nothing. I understand Sikhism was born ~500 years ago of an urgent need to find a good way to live in between competing Hindu and muslim communities, and that's about all. I listen to the piece at 7.45pm on Radio 4 each morning which is sometimes Sikh. The Sikhs I know don't try to proselytise, so that's all I know.

My logic is this:
There could be an all powerful god that was not compassionate. If so, I despise it.
There could not under any circumstances be an all powerful god is compassionate. Evidence rules this out.
Any other "super being" is not really a god, it's just something we could probably out Evolve.
I haven't seen any evidence for any god anyway, so I live my life assuming there isn't one.
Clementia wrote:
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I've always been your situation! I've always asked God, why? why if you are real, do you allow this? But unlike you, I still take his name and try to help where I can. My heart doesn't believe God is evil, I don't know why!
There are verses in the GGS that made my grandad atheist, but I don't know why I still cling to God. I'll try to find those verses. Would you mind having a look at them and understanding what baba nanak was trying to say? I don't understand them.

Since: Oct 12

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#139307 Nov 20, 2012
Thinking wrote:
So why is facial hair so important to the many religious people?
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I don't know about other religious, it has no spiritual significance in sikhi, BUT it has a very political, logical and symbolic importance.

I'll try and find the post where I explained all this to Khatru.

The Guru granth sahib is against every ritual done for God. It even questions, why do we pray to God? If he is omnipresent and is within all hearts, surely then he must know what is in our minds?

The sikhism you see today is not the actual teachings of the GGS. Our mecca (akal takat, in golden temple) has forgotten the teachings of GGS and has started their own religion, for their own greed. Keeping hair has been giving spiritual significance, by these fools and not the GGS!
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#139308 Nov 20, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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..It even questions, why do we pray to God? If he is omnipresent and is within all hearts, surely then he must know what is in our minds?
..
A good point. I'd go one further and say prayer is not only not needed, as an all knowing god will know everything, but prayer is also superstition. It is superstition because people believe they can magically effect future events by saying magical words.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#139309 Nov 20, 2012
It's strange what some people obsess about in their scriptures. Like those christians that obsess about gays but ignore other bible messages when they obstruct healthcare for all.
Clementia wrote:
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I don't know about other religious, it has no spiritual significance in sikhi, BUT it has a very political, logical and symbolic importance.
I'll try and find the post where I explained all this to Khatru.
The Guru granth sahib is against every ritual done for God. It even questions, why do we pray to God? If he is omnipresent and is within all hearts, surely then he must know what is in our minds?
The sikhism you see today is not the actual teachings of the GGS. Our mecca (akal takat, in golden temple) has forgotten the teachings of GGS and has started their own religion, for their own greed. Keeping hair has been giving spiritual significance, by these fools and not the GGS!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#139310 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Catholics aren't Christian.
der
This is why they have different names.
Moron
Catholics to Christians is the same as carrot is to vegetable. Celery is a different name than carrot but both fare still vegetables. Why is it overtime I post you i feel like I'm dealing with a 12 years old. YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN. Avoid it all you want, but you are classified by everyone else on the planet as a CHRISTIAN. Learn to deal with it. I know it's difficult but do give it a try!!!!

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