Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Double Fine]

River Tam wrote:

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Apologies. Does it spit fire?

According to some ladies, yes.

[KittenKoder]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
That isn't pagan. Transcended borders.

Sorry, but Xmas, or even Christmas, whichever you prefer, has been secular since it's conception. The original was not at all religiously oriented, it had nothing to do with religion, it was sitting in the caves during a time when food was scarce, around the fire, telling stories of the warm times, and hoping that nothing tried to make your cave it's home while you slept.

[Nikki]

Clementia wrote:

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LOL!
This is what sikhi says about creation, we can have a guess but honestly we don't know, at the moment only God knows!
"What was that time, and what was that moment? What was that day, and what was that date?
What was that season, and what was that month, when the Universe was created?
The Pandits, the religious scholars, cannot find that time, even if it is written in the Puraanas.
That time is not known to the Qazis, who study the Koran.
The day and the date are not known to the Yogis, nor is the month or the season.
The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows."
The limits of the created universe cannot be perceived. Its limits here and beyond cannot be perceived. Many struggle to know His limits, but His limits cannot be found. No one can know these limits. The more you say about them, the more there still remains to be said." (SGGS p5)
"So many worlds beyond this world-so very many! What power holds them, and supports their weight?" (SGGS p3)
"All are in the One, and the One is in all. This is what the True Guru has shown me.(5). He who created the worlds, solar systems and galaxies - that God cannot be known.(6). From the lamp of God, the lamp within is lit; the Divine Light illuminates the three worlds.(7)." (SGGS p907)
"For so many ages, there was only pitch darkness; the Creator Lord was absorbed in the primal void." (SGGS p1023)
"For endless eons, there was only utter darkness. There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of His Hukam. There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal, profound Samaadhi.(1) There were no sources of creation or powers of speech, no air or water. There was no creation or destruction, no coming or going. There were no continents, nether regions, seven seas, rivers or flowing water.(2)" (SGGS p1035)
"From this primal void, came the moon, the sun and the earth....From this primal void, the earth and the Akaashic Ethers were created....From this primal void, came the four sources of creation, and the power of speech....They were created from the void, and they will merge into the void....." (SGGS p1037)
i hope that helps u understand sikhi belief!

That seems remarkably similar to the deist position actually.

Now if you can accept that evolution is real and humans didn't magically pop out of thin air at some point, we'll have nothing to argue about.

In general even though I am an atheist I'm quite comfortable accepting the fact that I can't disprove the existence of the kind of god deists, and apparantly the sikhi belief, talk about.

In debate though it isn't up to me to prove something doesn't exist. Burden of proof lies with the person making the existential claim.

And to be honest, though I recognise the fact that I can't completely rule the posibility out I think the existence of a god is about as probable as the existence of the flying spaghetti monster.

[River Tam]

scaritual wrote:

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Just in time for the hefty Reindeer Jesus and his 12 elf disciples.

I have to get through the Thanksgiving festivities first. Picture a large table in a sterile dining room. 30 or so people dining on the carcasses of 5 large birds. My favorite chef (in the whole world) brings me a plate of wild rice, wild mushrooms and asparagus. Furtive glances my way, "is she sane now"?

Fun.

[KittenKoder]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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If it is omniscient then it knows how to surprise itself.
Your intellect is too limited to second guess the forces that created you. Give it up. It is an exercise in frustration.

That would be a contradiction in terms, you cannot be surprised if you are omniscient.

The forces that created me are quite easy to understand, gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong force. There are 12 particles as well. The chemical reactions of the atoms formed by the 12 particles and the four forces result in what we call living.

[Dave Nelson]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Sorry, but Xmas, or even Christmas, whichever you prefer, has been secular since it's conception. The original was not at all religiously oriented, it had nothing to do with religion, it was sitting in the caves during a time when food was scarce, around the fire, telling stories of the warm times, and hoping that nothing tried to make your cave it's home while you slept.

Uh huh. You witnessed this?

Doesn't matter. It is called Christmas now. Deal with it.

[KittenKoder]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Uh huh. You witnessed this?
Doesn't matter. It is called Christmas now. Deal with it.

Actually, it's called whatever people want to call it and a large portion of the population calls it Xmas now as well, you need to deal with that.

[Dave Nelson]

KittenKoder wrote:

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That would be a contradiction in terms, you cannot be surprised if you are omniscient.
The forces that created me are quite easy to understand, gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong force. There are 12 particles as well. The chemical reactions of the atoms formed by the 12 particles and the four forces result in what we call living.

Omniscience does not require you know the ultimate result of your actions. Your perception of it doing such is a limited intellectual understanding of such.

FWIW, Eve and the apple established very early on that the Abrahamic God did not create man fully expecting to know what would happen.

[Dave Nelson]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Actually, it's called whatever people want to call it and a large portion of the population calls it Xmas now as well, you need to deal with that.

The majority calls it Christmas. YOU deal with that.

You will find in time people will not let you define terms for them.

[KittenKoder]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Omniscience does not require you know the ultimate result of your actions. Your perception of it doing such is a limited intellectual understanding of such.
FWIW, Eve and the apple established very early on that the Abrahamic God did not create man fully expecting to know what would happen.

What you describe is not omniscient.

om·ni·scient
adjective \-sh&#601;nt\
1
: having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2
: possessed of universal or complete knowledge

[KittenKoder]

Definition of OMNISCIENT
1
: having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2
: possessed of universal or complete knowledge

[Nikki]

Eagle12 wrote:

Thanksgiving is coming up in a few days and Christmas not that far behind. Also the Jewish Holidays are around the corner.
I assume most atheist participate in the Christmas Holidays even if they don’t believe in Christ. Parties, friends, loved ones, oh the little munchkins running and playing. A time to exchange gifts and the hugs & kisses and hot coffee, coco, or what ever warms the soul.
If it’s not asking too much, try not to be Mr. Scrooge this Christmas. You won’t crack and break into a million pieces if you say,“Merry Christmas.” You’ll be going by that Salvation Army Kettle. Don’t drop in a measly quarter. Stuff at least two or three dollars in.
If your community is having a food drive during the holidays, let go of a few cans for some family that has little to nothing. Some work sites adopt families for Christmas. Think about giving to someone who is less fortunate than yourself.

I don't know where all you christians get the idea that atheists are mean, bitter, selfish people from but it is demonstrably false:

http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/rel...

[Givemeliberty]

Oh so you're one of those Adam and Eve believing deists?

:sigh:

Best get back to your magnets, idiot.

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Omniscience does not require you know the ultimate result of your actions. Your perception of it doing such is a limited intellectual understanding of such.
FWIW, Eve and the apple established very early on that the Abrahamic God did not create man fully expecting to know what would happen.

[KittenKoder]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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The majority calls it Christmas. YOU deal with that.
You will find in time people will not let you define terms for them.

Actually, no, the majority of the people in the world call it "that evil capitalist holiday."

[scaritual]

River Tam wrote:

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I have to get through the Thanksgiving festivities first. Picture a large table in a sterile dining room. 30 or so people dining on the carcasses of 5 large birds. My favorite chef (in the whole world) brings me a plate of wild rice, wild mushrooms and asparagus. Furtive glances my way, "is she sane now"?
Fun.

Here's some fun, right in the middle of the meal, exclaim loudly: "Is that a Turkey feather in the mashed potatoes?"

[River Tam]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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The majority calls it Christmas.

It follows Black Friday, right?

[Givemeliberty]

Oh the irony meter just exploded!

Dave Nelson wrote:

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The majority calls it Christmas. YOU deal with that.
You will find in time people will not let you define terms for them.

[ChristineM]

_BobLoblah_ wrote:

<quoted text>17Nov12.....
....Waddsamadda....
Ps:....suffering vit yer 'seepage' problem again.
Stop stalking BobLoblah, ya 'troll-op'.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Methinks your syphilis has reached you brain

Stop stalking me

[_BobLoblah_]

Clementia wrote:

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OMG I GOT THAT!!!! that's why i said stupid question and didn't answer it first time!! OMG!

20Nov12.....

.....You just gotta trust in BobLoblah.

If you can't come to BobLoblah, then who can you come to!!!

BobLoblah Rules.

Haul da dime.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

[Thinking]

Coring bunt, isn't he?

ChristineM wrote:

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Methinks your syphilis has reached you brain
Stop stalking me