Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there. "
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/a...
In case you didn't believe me.
The temperature of the CMB varies, fractions of a degree but there is variation

http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/Cosmo...

Red is hottest, blue coldest

Notice the cold spot just bottom right of centre. And the cloud of cold spots to the far bottom right.

See if you can come up with and scientific conjecture for them

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Nov 19, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Or it established that the authors of the bible did not have a firm grasp of logic and the paradoxes that may arise when logic is ignored.
That's a human failing. They still do it today. Even in science.

I would guarantee your logic would not be as firm as you think it is now a few hundred, or much less, years from now. Why they say, "Well, it seemed logical at the time. Shoulda worked.".

Logic is an applied thingy based upon what you know at the time. An artificial structuring.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
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The temperature of the CMB varies, fractions of a degree but there is variation
http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/Cosmo...
Red is hottest, blue coldest
Notice the cold spot just bottom right of centre. And the cloud of cold spots to the far bottom right.
See if you can come up with and scientific conjecture for them
Electrical currents. Peltier-Seebeck Effect.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
So you now admit that things cool in space. So your original statement that the Big Bang cooling couldn't happen was total wank.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there. "
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/a...
In case you didn't believe me.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Would you like to explain how that works following a Big Bang you say can't cool?
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Electrical currents. Peltier-Seebeck Effect.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You should come to Japan. You'd see that the true meaning of Christmas is commerce, commerce, commerce. Now is the time to buy!
All our stupid stores have already begun playing your Christmas music. Very few of them can actually understand the words, but the constant barrage of it all drives me crazy.
Anyways, yeah, Xmas is a time of family and friends. I liked that about Western countries. In Japan, New Years is the most important holiday for family. Xmas is the time when your boyfriend takes you out for a nice dinner, and then you go to a nice hotel to repay him.
[laughing] You have one hell of a sense of humor, lol. Ahhhhh the days of our youth.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Thinking wrote:
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I've got a US friend who will host us this Thursday and we'll also have a great christmas unsullied by any of that churchy nonsense.
I've got no problem saying "Merry christmas" to anyone. It's "Happy holidays" that grates on me.
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My good man, have a wonderful time!

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Nikki wrote:
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I don't know where all you christians get the idea that atheists are mean, bitter, selfish people from but it is demonstrably false:
http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/rel...
There’s some really sweet atheist and even a few here on topix. Some I have grown fond of and think they’re pretty cool people.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I give all year round. I don't require a special time of the year to give.
I love christmas! It is one of the best pagan rituals we follow!
You know the routine:
Evergreens in the house = pagan.
Celebrating the Winter Solstice = pagan
So on and so forth...
Xmas has been a secular holiday for a long time and it has never been christian.
Aren’t you cool.[tipping hat]

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMC6 TS1VED_index_0.html
Da Biggie Bangie.
Interesting thing about the heat, though. How did it cool off?
Heat travels by conduction or as light. If it ain't got nowhere to go, and no way to get there, it don't cool.
It cools due to the expansion, which stretches out the wavelengths of the light.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Thinking wrote:
So you now admit that things cool in space. So your original statement that the Big Bang cooling couldn't happen was total wank.
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You explain where the heat went.

Better yet, where it came from.

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Sorry, but Xmas, or even Christmas, whichever you prefer, has been secular since it's conception. The original was not at all religiously oriented, it had nothing to do with religion, it was sitting in the caves during a time when food was scarce, around the fire, telling stories of the warm times, and hoping that nothing tried to make your cave it's home while you slept.
"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." -

Macbeth - Shakespeare
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Nov 19, 2012
 
It's still all around us... spread thin. The CMB.
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You explain where the heat went.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Thank you- and the same to you.
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My good man, have a wonderful time!

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Nov 19, 2012
 
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It cools due to the expansion, which stretches out the wavelengths of the light.
"From one second to three minutes after the Big Bang

At one second, the Universe grows to about a thousand times the size of our Solar System today and the temperature drops to 1 MeV, equivalent to 10 000 million degrees. Neutrons and protons combine to form the first nuclei: first deuterium, then helium and other elements. This is called 'primordial nucleosynthesis' and it lasts several minutes.

Three minutes after the Big Bang the temperature is a thousand million degrees. It is still too hot, however, for the atomic nuclei to capture electrons and form real elements."

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMC6TS1VED_index_0....

Looks like it outran the light.

What, it takes 8 minutes for sunlight to hit us now?

That theory has a lot of fanciful mathematical thinking in it more than the nature of things. Have the Big Bang as a spark struck, which means an infusion of energy into a something, like an overload of current in a conductor, and you may be getting closer to the truth.

Your CMB is base resistance to the flow of energy, not leftovers.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Bullshit.
You slide them sideways.
I don't need them.
These magnets are so powerful that I am unable to slide them sideways. I have even tried smashing the stack against the edge of a table. I should have kept them separate.

I kid you not.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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"From one second to three minutes after the Big Bang
At one second, the Universe grows to about a thousand times the size of our Solar System today and the temperature drops to 1 MeV, equivalent to 10 000 million degrees. Neutrons and protons combine to form the first nuclei: first deuterium, then helium and other elements. This is called 'primordial nucleosynthesis' and it lasts several minutes.
Three minutes after the Big Bang the temperature is a thousand million degrees. It is still too hot, however, for the atomic nuclei to capture electrons and form real elements."
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMC6TS1VED_index_0....
Looks like it outran the light.
Yes, space expanded faster than light for a while.
What, it takes 8 minutes for sunlight to hit us now?
Eight minute, twenty seconds.
That theory has a lot of fanciful mathematical thinking in it more than the nature of things. Have the Big Bang as a spark struck, which means an infusion of energy into a something, like an overload of current in a conductor, and you may be getting closer to the truth.
Your CMB is base resistance to the flow of energy, not leftovers.
LMAO

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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You explain where the heat went.
Better yet, where it came from.
The temperature is related to the *density* of heat energy. As the universe expands, the density goes down, so the universe cools. Alternatively, the energy of a photon is inversely related to the wavelength. As the universe expands, so does the wavelength, so the energy of each individual photon decreases. That leads to a cooling.
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Funding Schools with Borrowed Money:

The majority of us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote; reelected Obnoxious President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, School Administrators and Board Members.

That defies demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider; Fund schools; pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, School Administrators and Board Members hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund schools, Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay property tax on state appraised value of their American Dream to fund schools. Pay interest on lottery winners winnings Legislators invest in school bonds.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

This makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
Your CMB is base resistance to the flow of energy, not leftovers.
Which does not explain the extraordinary uniformity of the CMB across the sky. The fluctuations are on the order of one part in 100,000.

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