Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Speaking of "wheels".
The first wheels weren't those rolling thingies you are familiar with. They were actually spokes used to drag loads over rough ground. Slow, but they worked.
Your point?

Did you mean to indicate that god has a lousy way of introducing his new creations to us, that he was figuring out the wheel as he went along and had no clue himself or are you changing your tune and saying that the wheel were created by humans who were continuously trying to improve the way they transported things?

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Hey I am trying to reach out to the Hindu community. I actually met Her and she was very sweet and surprisingly well spoken and knowledgable.
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hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe heheeeeeeeeeeeeeee, good luck!

@kitten... i said i'm sorry, i was having a bad day and i lost it! give me a kit-kat!!!:)
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Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Have you thought of seeking treatment to help you with your sick and twisted hard kind of heart?
Nothing sick and twisted about the fact that your God murders little babies and destroys unborn fetuses. Notice I said fact, not belief. If what your holy says is true, then this is all factual information. How can you possible worship a being that kills little babies? Oh, and he thinks that owning another human being and being able to beat him with a rod is absolutely ok. You'd be much better off worshipping Haniman the monkey God.

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<quoted text>LOL.....my wife is Indian. She is sweet, smart and sexy. She has long flowing hair, like you find only among Indian women. She can dance like a musical rhythm song come to life. We actually went there and got married in front of her family and in her church. You have the tender heart and feminine wisdom that all men want and all women envy.
Fanaa was a very good film, Aamir Khan is the best indian actor!

Yh, long hair looks attractive, but only if it's above your hips and it's thick, tooooo long hair looks abit weird to me!

what part of india is your wife from?

awwwwwwww u so sweetie, sweetie! see, how can i not like this guy, look at the compliments he gives me, resistance is futile!! heheheheheheheee
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None. We are are all instruments of a greater will.
I humbly suggest religious stop picking on atheists, gay people and religious people that have a different religion then. After all if none of us have free will and all our actions are determined by god then we are all acting out god's will.

All of us.

Including those of us who are acting out god's will by raping and murdering children.
It may not have been the intention from the beginning to have Topix developed, but rather as an adaption to things that have developed. A deity can roll dice if one chooses to do so. It is not obligated to have a pre-determined outcome of its creations. It may very well have ultimate control over the destiny of those creations, but it may just very well enjoy surprises. How many times have you wound up a toy to see what it does, and it was up to you whether you kept it falling off the table top or not?
Can I jus point out here that there is a bit of a difference between a toy and a human being?

Really your idea of god playing chess against himself and sacrificing humans because he feels like it does not cast your creator in a favourable light.
It is YOUR assumption creations are made for a serious purpose.
No, it was yours. You said god created Topix for a purpose and, serious or not, this means he made the human creator of Topix make Topix.
Someone mentioned mouse traps last night. The best mouse traps are glue traps. Put a little bait on the glue, and pick up at your leisure later. A mouse can see another stuck and will get stuck doing the same thing. Neat thing about bait, the vermin come to it.
Are you suggesting humans are god's vermin and he's killing us at his leisure? this actually makes more sense than a kind benevolent god. Even though statistics indicate your god is pretty bad at exterminating us.

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_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>19Nov12.....
.....'I don't need to act clever for any reason'.
Ps:.....So far BobLoblah believes you are dumb, but you have not proved dat you are hot.
...got any pictures!!!
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lol

I love the compliments u give me!:-)

u dirty old man, haven't u got wife and kids? have some shame!

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Atheist have to believe in evolution. They donít have a choice. A Christian doesnít have to believe it. Some do and some like myself donít. Itís completely optional to us.
I had it in high school but it was brief and we moved on.
Those that dedicate to a specific science major in college get more evolution indoctrination. Especially those in archeology, biology, anthropology.
My Son will soon graduate with his second graduate degree and this one will be in science. He had the evolution courses recently. And they failed at the university level to sway him to believe in evolution.
Tim, millions of people believe in it because they were taught that. And millions donít believe it like myself. We have been talking about whales lately. Thereís very sparse fossil evidence. Some fossils but not enough to show a transition from a deer to a whale.
Evolutionist will take one fossil, a jawbone and hand full of other bones then jump for joy. Claiming this is the link. The undeniable evidence. Theyíre going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that.
Human fossil evidence is even more sparse. A bone here, a fragment there, another fragment. Pile on top of that a lot of hype and you have evolution.
Even if we didn't have any fossil evidence at all, the evidence for evolution would still be overwhelming. And the fossil evidence is solid, anyway. How do you explain the fossil record without assuming that your god is a trickster? How do you explain the evidence from other scientific disciplines all converging at the same conclusion without invoking a trickster god?

I'm sure there are some people that believe it simply because they were taught that, but that doesn't mean that the evidence isn't there. Those that choose to dig a little bit deeper will find so much evidence for it that it simply makes no sense to deny it. Your disbelief, and your sons disbelief do not mean that evolution didn't happen. If anything, the higher education level that your son has attained coupled with his disbelief in evolution is nothing more than a real life example of just how much religious indoctrination can warp one's thinking.

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You asked for it, Timn
I know. I should have learned my lesson. I think you are right in your assessment of Mr. Turkey.

“cdesign proponentsists”

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Yep, a giant leap of faith on their parts.
While the more rational of the species will understand from our observations and experience that SOMETHING has to fashion the environment in some sort of fashion.
Order does not come out of chaos unless a little law is laid down first.
As was pointed out by Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, your god of the gaps is shrinking.

You, ken ham and ken hovind are more rational than the scientists in the video?

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River Tam wrote:
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My dad wanted to name me after his sister. SumTing
My last name is Wong.
He's not real good with English.
Sumting Wong?

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Yep, a giant leap of faith on their parts.
While the more rational of the species will understand from our observations and experience that SOMETHING has to fashion the environment in some sort of fashion.
Order does not come out of chaos unless a little law is laid down first.
Ken Ham Responds to Bill Nye "The Humanist Guy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Don't bother trying to Like or Dislike or leave a comment. As is normal for such 'christian' videos, "Comments are disabled for this video."

Why christians are so afraid of comments on their videos?
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Good for you. But not enough for Crohn's.
Aerobatty wrote:
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I'd still use weed.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
http://slutever.com/
San Francisco Sex Mecca
Enlightenment. Topix atheists should like this.
Open public streets to the playing out and glorification of fantasies. You be the judge. Take your children to watch.
I actually just watched one of her videos the other day. It looked like an interesting place. Some people were doing some pretty wack stuff, but if they like it, so what? They're not hurting anyone.

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_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>19Nov12.....
.....if you were 20% as hot as UrmaThurman and 500% as dumb, you would get your sugar daddy.
Ps:...as it stands, Urma is da envy of most women.
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i meant that i didn't fancy jack or the other actors, u silly! he's a good actor tho!

She's really not pretty to my eyes, i'm not jealous, i told u which women i thought were very pretty!

How can i be hot like her, when i have dark hair, eyes and an olive kinda complexion? everyone has a different look, i like the spanish, south american, north indian look!

i've had sugar daddies, but i'm to f*cking nice to use men! i feel bad taking gifts from men that i don't love!!

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_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>19Nov12......
....does dis mean dat you have a husband now and dat you will have two husbands when you get married!!!
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nooooooo, i meant don't tell my future hubby, that i'm clementia!!

and don't act innocent with me, u christians pick on me and tell me my faith is wrong too AND that i'm going to hell!!!

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Clementia wrote:
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I don't believe in deities and the vedas don't too. When i say God, I don't mean an old man sitting on a cloud!!I just believe there is something that created us, we can't have just created ourselves!!
The true sikh/hindu religion was very different when it first started. It was against all stupid supernatural rituals, but somehow greedy clever people always corrupt silly stupid people into believing in something, that isn't even written in the religious books!
You are a wise young woman.

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<quoted text>I actually just watched one of her videos the other day. It looked like an interesting place. Some people were doing some pretty wack stuff, but if they like it, so what? They're not hurting anyone.
You think those are normal rational people, that have to act out like that?

That was done on public streets. Subsidized by the general public.

You did notice the commercialization of that, didn't you? They all had something to sell. With the aid of the local government.

Such things have always been done, but usually in private settings. Helps not to offend others, or keep them from taking their children to public places.

That is what happens when you empower freaks. They took over the local government, although a small minority of the people, and imposed their phreak on everyone else. I thought you hated religions for doing that.

You really think a guy walking on all fours with a tail sticking out of his bare asshole is a suitable personal expression for public streets? Or of the guy shoving his thing up another guy's ass? Or public demonstrations of brutality?

Perhaps you do.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Even if we didn't have any fossil evidence at all, the evidence for evolution would still be overwhelming. And the fossil evidence is solid, anyway. How do you explain the fossil record without assuming that your god is a trickster? How do you explain the evidence from other scientific disciplines all converging at the same conclusion without invoking a trickster god?
I'm sure there are some people that believe it simply because they were taught that, but that doesn't mean that the evidence isn't there. Those that choose to dig a little bit deeper will find so much evidence for it that it simply makes no sense to deny it. Your disbelief, and your sons disbelief do not mean that evolution didn't happen. If anything, the higher education level that your son has attained coupled with his disbelief in evolution is nothing more than a real life example of just how much religious indoctrination can warp one's thinking.
The automobile industry has evolved. We have evidence that it evolved over time in museums and personal collections all over the country. But each and every vehicle from the beginning to what we have now has been designed, blue printed, engineered and manufactured.

I have not dedicated my life to running around looking for evolutionary evidence. If Iím wrong about evolution and I acknowledge that is a possibility. I believe that every creature that has allegedly evolved has been designed and engineered.

Every engineer that designs something builds prototypes, experiments, refines, evaluates, adjust, makes changes, then has his design mass produced. Once itís mass produced more refining, evaluations, adjustment, tinkering, and remodeling occurs.

God is no different than any other engineer. Perhaps has built prototypes. Heís had lots of time to make adjustments and tinker with his design. Anyway you look at creation with evolution or without it. I believe God created the heavens and the earth, and all living things.

“The eye has it...”

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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You think those are normal rational people, that have to act out like that?
That was done on public streets. Subsidized by the general public.
You did notice the commercialization of that, didn't you? They all had something to sell. With the aid of the local government.
Such things have always been done, but usually in private settings. Helps not to offend others, or keep them from taking their children to public places.
That is what happens when you empower freaks. They took over the local government, although a small minority of the people, and imposed their phreak on everyone else. I thought you hated religions for doing that.
You really think a guy walking on all fours with a tail sticking out of his bare asshole is a suitable personal expression for public streets? Or of the guy shoving his thing up another guy's ass? Or public demonstrations of brutality?
Perhaps you do.
You seem to have some pretty detailed and vivid memories concerning this, Dave.

Tell me, Dave, just how many times have you visited the site, and how many times have you watched the vids?

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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None. We are are all instruments of a greater will.
Speak for yourself.

Not for Catcher.

Catcher is nobody's instrument.

I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

(If perchance I have one.)

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