Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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It's best to just scroll past ole Bob.
I'm watching the Disney movie called Brave.
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What's it like? I have got but have not seen it yet.

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STOP TALKING ABOUT ME ASWELL, U NOT ALLOWED NO MORE! I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH U, U OLD FOGY!
18Nov12.....

Dear 'Ditz'....cementia...

.....Your Heeengliish, grammmar, and centence stuctures are atrocious.

Ps:....How did you ever manage an 'E' in grades!!!

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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13 ...
I haven't got a clue why they would think so. Why did Christianity develop along the lines of worshiping one human sacrifice and a virgin birth? No idea. Culture is like that. People pick up on some idea and it becomes relevant to them.
The thing about low tech cultures is that they aren't stupid, Dave. The worm thing isn't any kind of science going on - these are just people who are constantly infected with parasitic worms. There's no getting away from infection, unless you have good sewers and pavement. So they have myths and magic that deal with worms. But people in low-tech cultures make deductive observations, too. They've come up with all kinds of medicines for ailments. The Luo actually have de-worming medication they make from herbs to control the worm population in their bodies. Unlike our medicine, though, theirs won't clear the body of parasites. They act to decrease the parasites rather than destroy them all.
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Such deductions, over a long period of time are also behind some spiritual beliefs and morality, including gay sex.
You deserve further mockery on this one.

Hiding: I don't know why these people believe worms are healthy.

Dave: It's the reason we have gay sex.

Hiding: I suspect it's because worms are ubiquitous in their environment.

Dave: Dave: It's the reason we have gay sex.

Hiding: That's stupid and ridiculous, two things I've come to expect from you.

Hiding: Low tech peoples invented many medicines from observation, testing and deduction.

Dave: It's the reason we have gay sex.

Hiding: So...you're saying that gay sex is the result of observing, testing and deduction of plant medicines? Or just sex in general?

So...your argument is that gay sex, like plant medicines, is good for people?

Dave, you couldn't use an argument against someone in any situation I can think of. You failed here, you fail every time. The only person who understands your delusion is you. Population: Dave. Admittedly, some of the posters enjoy reading your babble. Where else can they find this level of comic tragedy that a single human has sunk to?

I really feel sorry for you. Oh, well.

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James Woods is invisible to me...
wooohoooooooooo!

I'm going to sneak into your house and replace all your Bud with Coors lite!

Ha!

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'm watching the Disney movie called Brave.
Have you seen it?
ok, lol!

no, is it good?

i think i'm going to watch the new films at christmas time, when i got 1 month off uni!

have u seen new spiderman? oooooooooooooooooooomg it was tooooo good, i'm just waiting to see if batman is going to beat it! i really hope it does!!

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You may be right. But having seen someone suffer from Crohn's I'd use worms when the steroids and immunosuppressants stop working.
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I'd recommend you start with the worms, to be honest. That would increase the window with which you have to use the other medicines and possibly even erase the need.

Uh...I'm not a medical doctor. Don't take advice from me. But if I was in that situation, given what I've read, I'd convince my doctor to look at the literature so she could properly monitor me while I take the worms.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, right, sure. Science has tapped into the supernatural effects of prayer & deemed them useless...
<<^^COUGH^^>> BULLSHIT!
You've got it backwards. Believers like you believe that prayer has supernatural effects.

They don't. They're not useless, though. They're a means of social communication - i.e., placebo.

All double blind studies have found the same results: no effect. You have to know you're being prayed to for a small effect and that makes it a social effect - placebo.

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<quoted text>Happy Lesbo, the female wannabe lesbian, would be her name.
that's tooo long, u need something catchy!

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Yes, the studies. I forgot about the studies.... The link also says: "There are, of course, also certain types of prayer whose efficacy can not be measured in the physical world"
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Right. Like the kind where, in Buddhist societies, once your family member dies, and if you love them a lot, you buy them a really expensive name so they can go to a super nice heaven? If you only buy them the average name, they get an average heaven - maybe even have to be a servant.
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That's true. We can't test that kind of bullshit, because we can't ask the dead people "did giving all of my money to the Buddhist temple help you out there?"
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But you know what? Those practices do have testable, measurable results on this planet - we can show, for example, that the bereaved loses a certain amount of cash, that they feel some easing of conscience, perhaps, that they have a purchased status item to show off to others that only the church can provide.

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What's it like? I have got but have not seen it yet.
Tis Irish.

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HA! Oh, ha HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!
"somewhere between 2 & 6 million years ago....
What a load!
Did you follow the discussion at all? He's asking about a genetic change that happened in humans. We only have genetic evidence for extant Pan and Homo and extinct Homo. Thus, my window period has to be large.
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When we get DNA evidence from Australopithecines, I'll narrow down the window period for you.
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You also have to remember that Eagle was trying to claim that the first 46 chromosome hominin was "Adam." Compared to me, he's making up children's stories. I'm using the available evidence to the best of my honest ability. That's very different then saying "ah-ha! I have this belief that I will now superimpose on your evidence because I want it to back up my religion!"

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Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I understand.... bacteria and how it is important to all of us.
Awesome. I'm pretty sure that all of us here on the "Faith" thread in the atheist forum do. I recommend, if you want to post that stuff, to start a thread on Food Safety in the Modern world - there, it would be on topic and you'd have lots and lots of people interested in your ideas.

I guarantee it.

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<quoted text>Other way around, according to the experts;
*** Like the plants, animals evolved in the sea. And that is where they remained for at least 600 million years. This is because, in the absence of a protective ozone layer, the land was bathed in lethal levels of UV radiation. Once photosynthesis had raised atmospheric oxygen levels high enough, the ozone layer formed, meaning that it was then possible for living things to venture onto the land.
The oldest fossil evidence of multicellular animals, or metazoans, is burrows that appear to have been made by smooth, wormlike organisms. Such trace fossils have been found in rocks from China, Canada, and India, but they tell us little about the animals that made them apart from their basic shape.
http://sci.waikato.ac.nz/evolution/AnimalEvol... ***
Everything came from the sea......... if you believe it!!
Yes. And the whales went back.

The reason land animals are shaped the way we are - flat ventral to dorsal, the opposite of most fish - is b/c the immediate ancestors who lived in the tidal zone, before the evolution to terestrial living, were shaped flat. They had to be, it's the most efficient way to locomote, get food, hide, etc., in areas of low water and muddy ground.

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_BobLoblah_ wrote:
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Dear 'Ditz'....cementia...
.....Your Heeengliish, grammmar, and centence stuctures are atrocious.
Ps:....How did you ever manage an 'E' in grades!!!
Love..
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BobLoblah
i got A's and even one A star, i don't need to act clever for no reason, i only do it to get good grades in exams and get a good job, who cares otherwise!! i don't!!!!!!

Also, i'm most likely going to marry a rich guy, who likes hot dumb girls, so whats the point of acting clever when i have found out that men don't like it??? there isn't one, it don't work for me!!!

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<quoted text>Then by your logic the Whale should still move its tail from side to side. Deers and other animals with tails do not use it for locomotion. You know about the transitional fossils, you posted them a few posts ago. The transitional fossils show the gradual movement of the nostrils toward the top of the head, obviously a much more efficient position to an animal that will spend its life in the sea. You people are famous for that traditional fossil game. You see two fossils and you say "OPPS, there is a gap between fossil one and two, you have no transitional fossils." You really should stop paying attention the the conscience of creationist web sites.
BTW I'm not trying to "win you over" I could care less that you chose to ignore the mountain of evidence available. I'm just curious how anyone with a fair amount of intelligence can do that.
He's mistaken, anyways. White tailed deer move their tails up and down.

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ok, lol!
no, is it good?
i think i'm going to watch the new films at christmas time, when i got 1 month off uni!
have u seen new spiderman? oooooooooooooooooooomg it was tooooo good, i'm just waiting to see if batman is going to beat it! i really hope it does!!
I like it.

I haven't seen the newest Batman yet. I think the Batman movies are better than the Spiderman movies.

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<quoted text>I comment on the horrible design of Whales and you respond by telling me how magnificent they are and what a wonderful song they have, too funny. Why not address the comment directly? Do you agree that Whales fare a terribly flawed design?
Yes there could have been designed better, I could have designed them much better here:
1.) I would have given them gills so hunting for food and giving birth would have been much easier. This would also cut down on the number of newborns that drowned before MOM could push them to the surface.
2.)I would have given them a dorsal fin like all other fish, including Dolphins, to make swimming more efficient.
3.) I would have given them a spine more like a fish and sharks were the side to side motion is more efficient.
And they are NOT the elite of the sea Sharks are. Unlike the Whales that have evolved from a land mammal, the shark is so well designed his characteristic have no change in millions of years. Sharks eat Whales, especially baby Whales. The slightest sign of weakness or blood and the sharks amass and tear the whale to bits.
You know what's interesting is that whales aren't the first land animals into the ocean. Prior to them were the lizards.

So these animals aren't necessarily competing with fish - they're competing for the "niche" that is occupied by large bodied predators of fish.
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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Awesome. I'm pretty sure that all of us here on the "Faith" thread in the atheist forum do. I recommend, if you want to post that stuff, to start a thread on Food Safety in the Modern world - there, it would be on topic and you'd have lots and lots of people interested in your ideas.
I guarantee it.
Hi carcass lady, whats your specialty?

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Eagle12 wrote:
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I see whales completely different Doctor. I donít see a flawed design. If they had gills we wouldnít get the chance to see them come up to the surface in all their grander.
Not to mention these mammals are extremely intelligent with their own language.
Sharks are preprogrammed biological robots. At sea world you donít see sharks doing tricks. Theyíre just not trainable. Dolphins and whales are the opposite. Theyíre capable of doing a lot of things including communicating with humans.
How many sharks have you seen play basketball? Iíve see dolphins play it at sea world. Iíve never seen a shark do that.
You're both mistaken. Whales are very well adapted, but have "evolutionary baggage" because of where they came from. That's what Blacklagoon is talking about. It's not poor adaptation, though, it's a phylogenetic history that, as time goes on, will continue to be selected against (although it's more accurate to say that mutations that damage the genes that produce these ancestral traits, like the hind limb buds, will not be selected against - I'm probably writing above your level here, Eagle, sorry).

Sharks are not machines. They are organic, intelligent creatures, too. They have been observed engaged in sophisticated pack hunting. A group of sharks will surround a school of fish in the same manner that dolphins do. They keep them schooling, trapped, in the middle. Then, one by one, the sharks will swim in to eat their fill and then return to the line.

Whales and sharks do not normally compete for the same food. So they're not in direct competition all that often. Each has created a niche, a way of exploiting the environment for energy and each does this so well that they remain extant, surviving and reproducing. It's true that sharks attack whales for their babies and weak, but it's also true that whales attack sharks and that whales have complex solutions to ward off the predation of sharks.

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I like it.
I haven't seen the newest Batman yet. I think the Batman movies are better than the Spiderman movies.
That's what I thought before I saw the 'amazing spider man' movie. I think it's ALOT better then the older ones, I really didn't like Tobey maguire!!!!!!!!!

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