Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#138317 Nov 17, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Land mammals predominantly move their tales from side to side. A deer is the same, with side to side movement but when alarmed it will raise itís tale up as a warning.
An exception might be the beaver which uses itís tale for swimming. A skunk will raise itís tale vertically in order to spray. There is no indication that whales evolved from neither skunks or beavers.
Whales and dolphins as you have previously pointed out have this very powerful specially designed tale that propels them forward with a up and down movement.
My question to you Doctor, where are the transitional fossils that show this spectacular change from a tale that moves from side to side to a whales that moves up and down?
One jawbone or one bone doesnít constitute a slew of transitional fossils. There should be hundreds of fossils that show each phase of the transition. But thereís not but a few sparse examples. Very sparse examples are known Doctor.
If you are going to win me over with evidence, it slim pickings out there Doctor.
Then by your logic the Whale should still move its tail from side to side. Deers and other animals with tails do not use it for locomotion. You know about the transitional fossils, you posted them a few posts ago. The transitional fossils show the gradual movement of the nostrils toward the top of the head, obviously a much more efficient position to an animal that will spend its life in the sea. You people are famous for that traditional fossil game. You see two fossils and you say "OPPS, there is a gap between fossil one and two, you have no transitional fossils." You really should stop paying attention the the conscience of creationist web sites.

BTW I'm not trying to "win you over" I could care less that you chose to ignore the mountain of evidence available. I'm just curious how anyone with a fair amount of intelligence can do that.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#138318 Nov 17, 2012

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#138319 Nov 17, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Get over yourself, are you telling us that you have never lied?
You still will not answer the question.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#138320 Nov 17, 2012
Your God loves the smell burning flesh, especially little girls.

Neato eh?

:)
Serah wrote:
600 million years in the sea ~ just a skip and a hop really!

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#138321 Nov 17, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Yes darling you are wrong. I learned a long time ago itís not my place to judge people into eternity. Judgment is reserved for God almighty.
Yet you do.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#138322 Nov 17, 2012
Nikki

Haacht, Belgium

#138323 Nov 17, 2012
Serah wrote:
600 million years in the sea ~ just a skip and a hop really!
Yes Serah, this is how evolution works: fish just jump out of the ocean and magically transform into horses and cows and adorable little puppies.

It's not like we can point out a long list of transitional species or anything.

Something like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transiti...

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#138324 Nov 17, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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what? she said she was going to wipe me off the planet! how did i not understand it?
And i'm no religious bigot, so i can't be eagle!
What she actually said was, "That's the big issue I have with it, and I will not rest until I see those injustices ended, or religion gone from the planet." Unless you are the personification of religion on the planet, you have misread her and shown a bit of weakness in your ability to comprehend what you read.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#138325 Nov 17, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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{worst examples of design by your almighty designer}.
Here I disagree with you again. I think whales and dolphins are magnificent breathtaking creatures. They are the elite of the ocean creatures.
They tell me our submariners can hear them singing for hundreds of miles in the ocean. I donít know if they are singing the Blues or Country & Western. But theyíre damn sure singing some type of heartache song.
I just hate the thought of countries hunting these magnificently designed intelligent creatures. They have such beauty Doctor. They couldnít have been designed any better. Iím surprised Doctor at your statement and you being a seaman.
I comment on the horrible design of Whales and you respond by telling me how magnificent they are and what a wonderful song they have, too funny. Why not address the comment directly? Do you agree that Whales fare a terribly flawed design?

Yes there could have been designed better, I could have designed them much better here:

1.) I would have given them gills so hunting for food and giving birth would have been much easier. This would also cut down on the number of newborns that drowned before MOM could push them to the surface.

2.)I would have given them a dorsal fin like all other fish, including Dolphins, to make swimming more efficient.

3.) I would have given them a spine more like a fish and sharks were the side to side motion is more efficient.

And they are NOT the elite of the sea Sharks are. Unlike the Whales that have evolved from a land mammal, the shark is so well designed his characteristic have no change in millions of years. Sharks eat Whales, especially baby Whales. The slightest sign of weakness or blood and the sharks amass and tear the whale to bits.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#138326 Nov 17, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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lol, they're tell-tails.
it's the english language, it's got too many words that sound the same, but spelt differently and have different meanings. Why is it like that?
Because it is a composite of the many languages that have been spoken in the British Isles over the centuries. "Tail," for instance, is Germanic in origin, as is "tale" but from very different roots (taegl vs talu), and they were probably pronounce quite differently from each other in their original forms. In modern English, they are pronounce the same, but the spellings reflect their etymologies.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#138327 Nov 17, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Sweets, I do love everyone on this site. How could I say I hate them when I really donít.
I do my best to not tell people theyíre going to hell. Itís not for me to judge people where they are going.
2 Peter 3:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
If that's true, why do you insult and occasionally even abuse some of the people here? Why the name-calling? Don't you realize that loving people is more about how your treat them than anything else?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#138328 Nov 17, 2012
Serah wrote:
600 million years in the sea ~ just a skip and a hop really!
Yep , here I'll sing abut it!

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138329 Nov 17, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry, you really shouldn't make such a ridiculous comment in a public forum like this. "A deer running near the ocean and it TURNED into a whale?" Is this really how you believe the process of evolution works? Seriously???
Yes I can see that you don't see the correlation between a running animal the the up and down flexing of a Whales spine as it moves throughout the water. I'm a bit mystified just why you don't. I think, or at least thought you possessed a modicum of intelligence. To that point, I have read your posts and still believe you are capable of intelligent thought, thats why I'm not so sure your acting the poe. Contrary for the sake of being country. It is very difficult for anyone to ignore the mountain of evidence for evolution. Don't you EVER accept information from people much more informed on a subject than yourself? Don't you do it in many phases of your life? The doctor, dentists, neurosurgeon, plumber, car mechanic? As I see it there are only two valid reasons for NOT accepting information from people much more informed that yourself. 1.) You're simply not intelligent enough to understand the information, or 2.) Your religious dogma will not let you accept something that is contrary to that doctrine. Which is it with you?
A friend of mine who I worked with for years was a degreed anthropologist and a devout atheist. Like myself his father was also an atheist. He told me a story of his mother pressuring his Dad to at least introduce the kids to religion.

So his Dad took all the kids and wife to church one day. When they got back home the wife asked him what he thought about the religious service. Very gruffly he replied,ďThatís just too much God da*n religion for me.Ē

His Dad never took the kids to church again. When my buddy told me that I just laughed. Doctor, I kind of feel a bit like my buddyís Dad. When it comes to evolution, Thatís just too much [beep][beep] bull sh*t for me.

I just canít handle that much hyper bull sh*t Doctor. I do have a imagination but itís microscopic compared to the gargantuan unrealistic imagination of these evolutionist. Holy sh*t these people have an imagination. And they get mad if you donít believe like they do.

The imagination of evolution supersedes anything Disney dreamed up. Iím sorry you believe in all that horse sh*t Doctor. I promise I donít think less of you because of it. You just sort of got all caught up in its cult following. My good father believed in all that crap for most of his life. I just couldnít make myself go that far.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#138330 Nov 17, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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The points made by whomever is merely discredited because they are associated with a different point of view?
I donít know this Casey Luskin personally Doctor. I look at the content of what was said and judge it accordingly. So I have went to find out about Casey,
{I am an attorney who works in Seattle, Washington as Program Officer in Public Policy & Legal Affairs with The Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. Before pursuing law, I studied geology, devoting much of my time to studying evolution and conducting geological research at Scripps Institution for Oceanography}.
Heís no different than you Doctor, heís intelligent, accomplished, and studies outside of his discipline.
He believes in ID there is no science behind ID, anything he has to say is based on NONSCIENCE and is not worth paying attention to. ID has a religious agenda, science simply is the very BEST explanation at the present time, no AGENDA, just facts based on evidence.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138331 Nov 17, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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If that's true, why do you insult and occasionally even abuse some of the people here? Why the name-calling? Don't you realize that loving people is more about how your treat them than anything else?
I do make a point to treat people as they treat me. For example I have always viewed you as a gentleman and respectful Atheist. There are others that maintain a certain dignity in their belief.

Then there are those that go over the top with their sarcasm and cynicism. I have mentioned this true story before. The neighbors down the street had a real monkey. The three neighbor boys were abusive to this animal and would take it out and beat it often.

Well one day the monkey got loose and got a hold of that stick. He took it upon himself to even things up a bit. He went on a rage and whipped some ass. Iím talking about a serious ass beating. Those boys learned a lesson that day. Itís no fun getting beat on.

I must confess to you my distinguished Nightserf. There are Atheist that just enjoy being abusive. I enjoy the blessed opportunity thanks to their efforts, to do some good ole fashion ass whipping myself. Itís down right fun and they provide a non stop opportunity. For this Iím very thankful.

[tipping hat]

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138332 Nov 17, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I comment on the horrible design of Whales and you respond by telling me how magnificent they are and what a wonderful song they have, too funny. Why not address the comment directly? Do you agree that Whales fare a terribly flawed design?
Yes there could have been designed better, I could have designed them much better here:
1.) I would have given them gills so hunting for food and giving birth would have been much easier. This would also cut down on the number of newborns that drowned before MOM could push them to the surface.
2.)I would have given them a dorsal fin like all other fish, including Dolphins, to make swimming more efficient.
3.) I would have given them a spine more like a fish and sharks were the side to side motion is more efficient.
And they are NOT the elite of the sea Sharks are. Unlike the Whales that have evolved from a land mammal, the shark is so well designed his characteristic have no change in millions of years. Sharks eat Whales, especially baby Whales. The slightest sign of weakness or blood and the sharks amass and tear the whale to bits.
I see whales completely different Doctor. I donít see a flawed design. If they had gills we wouldnít get the chance to see them come up to the surface in all their grander.
Not to mention these mammals are extremely intelligent with their own language.

Sharks are preprogrammed biological robots. At sea world you donít see sharks doing tricks. Theyíre just not trainable. Dolphins and whales are the opposite. Theyíre capable of doing a lot of things including communicating with humans.

How many sharks have you seen play basketball? Iíve see dolphins play it at sea world. Iíve never seen a shark do that.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138333 Nov 17, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
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You still will not answer the question.
How ironic, neither will you.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138334 Nov 17, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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If that's true, why do you insult and occasionally even abuse some of the people here? Why the name-calling? Don't you realize that loving people is more about how your treat them than anything else?
Nightserf, read this post from Givemeliberty,#138316

Does this kind of conduct deserve respect?
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#138335 Nov 17, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Hell is REAL. And you're well on your way. Satan has BLINDED your mind that you might not REALIZE that your soul is LOST without the Lord Jesus Christ. And that's....for REAL.
Here's something you don't know about HELL. Satan's ONLY goal is to recruit warriors to do battle for him. Satan is looking for Allies, and when he finds them do you real think he's going to torture them forever? He rewards those who fall to his side with the task of converting more to his side. He returns them to Earth with new bodies to do his bidding.

Now Heaven on the other hand is the LIVING HELL. An eternity of servitude, everyday on bended knee. No real goals to achieve, nothing to inspire to, just everyday look that last, for a million years, and you haven't even started yet. Yes skippy, here is the description of what hell really is, eternal worship, never ending. I am so thankful for Satan.

Yes I know, you think you know about He because of your holy book, the same one that says the Earth is flat and covered with a dome. How do you know that Satan is the bad being and God the Good? Satan only killed two people according to your bible, God on the other hand murdered Thousands, including little babies and unborn fetuses. Logic and reason would point to Satan as the good being. Hey, I'm with Satan!!!1

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#138336 Nov 17, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I realize that Iím one of your most admired posters. I do find you rather interesting. Why you felt the need to parade as two different posters is beyond me. Iím a little disappointed that you did that and continue to do so. Perhaps it was the sport of it all.
It destroys your credibility. Then all this tagging you do. Itís like you are seeking attention. Isnít that why young people tag vacant buildings? They want people to know theyíre there and that they have a message.
I just find it hard to believe a lawyer would spend his time doing this sort of thing. But who knows maybe you are a lawyer. In my mind the jury is out on that issue. Lots of people know about the law including court clerks. Who knows what you do for a living. Honesty from you would be refreshing.
I will admit I have chopped away at your over inflated ego. I do realize that you are not a evil person at least you have a love for animals. A lot of people who live in social isolation tend to be drawn to animals that donít disappoint them. In your real life you have faced perhaps some deep disappointments in relationships that left you heartbroken.
You are fiercely guarding your heart. Not letting anyone come close enough to break your heart again. We are all a product of our upbringing. How we were molded and shaped back in childhood has made us what we are today.
I hope you have the courage to love someone again. If you never do I shall understand the pain and agony cut deep into your heart.
No, you are NOT one of my most admired posters. You are sometimes fun to goof on, but in my view you cannot be taken seriously because you are dense and stubborn.

Nor do I find you interesting. I am interested in people who actually think. You don't.

I am just myself, and have never posted as somebody else. As I recall, HL and I played around with you a little about me being her and she being me, but it was just in fun. As usual, you are in a state of confusion.

Yes, I am a lawyer, and a very good one. And I do like to have fun. I have a very good sense of humor.

I will cop to having an ego.

I do not live in social isolation. I have many friends and my family is very close. I am fortunate to be financially successful and believe in giving something back. I am very happy and have nothing to complain about.

I do love animals. I have one dog, a 13-year-old rott-retriever mix.

I don't know what to say about your fantasies of heartbreak.

Any food for thought, eagle?

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