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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138072 Nov 16, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
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Species Articles Glossary Time Periods Activities Top Lists
Rodhocetus
Name: Rodhocetus ( Rodho whale ).
Phonetic: Rod-ho-see-tus.
Named By: P. D. Gingerich, S. M. Raza, M. Arif, M. Anwar & &#8236;X. Zhou - 1994.
Classification: Chordata, Mammalia, Cetacea, Archaeoceti, Protocetidae.
Species: R. kasrani ( type ), R. balochistanensis.
Diet: Carnivore.
Size: A round 2.5 meters long.
Known locations: Pakistan.
Time period: Lutetian of the Eocene.
Fossil representation: Remains of 3 individuals.
Although not as well known as Pakicetus and Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus is nonetheless important to the study of how whales evolved from land animals. Rodhocetus is but one of a slowly but steadily growing number of transitional fossil genera, but in Rodhocetus the change can actually be seen across the species as well. The 2001 description of the second species, R. balochistanensis included recurved ankle bones which mean that the rear feet curved back towards the body. Later forms would take this progression with smaller rear limbs in line with the shape of the body until the point that the rear limbs were no longer visible. Study of Rodhocetus has also helped to establish an early origin of the mammals from artiodactyls like hippopotamuses rather than mesonychids like Mesonyx.
Land mammals predominantly move their tales from side to side. A deer is the same, with side to side movement but when alarmed it will raise itís tale up as a warning.

An exception might be the beaver which uses itís tale for swimming. A skunk will raise itís tale vertically in order to spray. There is no indication that whales evolved from neither skunks or beavers.

Whales and dolphins as you have previously pointed out have this very powerful specially designed tale that propels them forward with a up and down movement.

My question to you Doctor, where are the transitional fossils that show this spectacular change from a tale that moves from side to side to a whales that moves up and down?

One jawbone or one bone doesnít constitute a slew of transitional fossils. There should be hundreds of fossils that show each phase of the transition. But thereís not but a few sparse examples. Very sparse examples are known Doctor.

If you are going to win me over with evidence, it slim pickings out there Doctor.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138073 Nov 16, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
So Daffy Duck 12 admits he lacks basic reading comprehension, even video descriptions are beyond his abilities.
And btw moron, just because a scientist ponders a small facet in the evolutionary doesn't mean that evolution is incorrect.
See science unlike religion progresses and that's why.
No wonder your Dad lied about some Arab in his room an pretended to convert so you would be able to continue.
Thank you,

I always enjoy a piss ants view of things. So much so that Iím going to set your opinion in a art form in concrete.

[boot centered over piss ant]

[boot comes down on piss ant]

[piss ant is now a collage in concrete]
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#138077 Nov 16, 2012
But maybe they'd call for disarmament talks regarding our stockpiles of antibiotics.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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hahaha! Nice.
Bacteria would just vote for the status quo, they're doing pretty well.
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#138078 Nov 16, 2012
Glad someone can do that amazing work instead of just praying helplessly.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I have a friend who's brother is a heart surgeon for children. He is an atheist. He says "if there is a God, why am I fixing children born with defective hearts, who would die without surgery?"
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#138079 Nov 16, 2012
I vote for nothing. Nothing ever.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Me too. Boblbbalahala, is like a spacer between potentially interesting and articulate posts.
Let's take bets as to what happened to him! I vote dropped into gasoline as a child.
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#138080 Nov 16, 2012
Crohn's, asthma, eczema. All examples of what an immune system gets up to when it's out of a job.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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That's interesting. It's possible. We eat three times less bacteria and have three times less bacteria in our guts than hunter-gatherers. That has effects on our immune system.
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#138081 Nov 16, 2012
If no one was starving, religion would collapse.
Serah wrote:
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Ask these people why bacteria is so important;
***Making Artificial Bacteria
www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/2598/making-art...
26 Jan 2008 Ė A team of researchers has created the largest man-made DNA structure by assembling the 582970 base pare genome of a bacterium..
https://www.google.com.au/search... ***
***Scientists create 1st bacteria strain from man-made DNA - USA Today
usatoday30.usatoday.com/.../2010-05-21-genome... ...
Dan Vergano
by Dan Vergano - in 112 Google+ circles
20 May 2010 Ė The advance is a $40 million milestone in the nascent field of synthetic biology and points toward a future of artificial life
https://www.google.com.au/search... ****
Gosh and darn it ~ we need more bacteria, so much so that we will spend millions and millions learning how to make new life in an over populated world (according to the experts) and why bother feeding the starving people when we can play GOD?
*** A trickle ofinformation about the germ warfare program has turned into a stream and now a torrent. Half a century after the end of the war, a rush of books, documentaries and exhibitions are unlocking the past and helping arouse interest in Japan in the atrocities committed by some of Japan's most distinguished doctors.
Scholars and former members of the unit say that at least 3000 people and by some accounts several times that number were killed in the medical experiments; none survived. No one knows how many died in the "field testing"
It is becoming evident that the Japanese officers in charge of the program hoped to use their weapons against the United States. They proposed using balloon bombs to carry disease to America and they had a plan in the summer of 1945 to use kamikaze pilots to dump plague infected fleas on San Diego.
The research was kept secret after the end of World War II in part because the U.S. Army granted immunity from war crimes prosecution to the doctors in exchange for their research data. Japanese and U.S. documents show that the United States helped cover up the human experimentation and instead of putting the ringleaders on trial, it gave them stipends.
The accounts now emerging are wrenching to read even after so much time has passed: a Russian mother and daughter reportedly left in a gas chamber, for example, as doctors peer through the thick glass and time their convulsions, watching as the woman sprawls over her child in a futile effort to save her from the gas.
http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit... ***
Yeah, it must really suck only believing in science..... IMO
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#138082 Nov 16, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Land mammals predominantly move their tales from side to side. A deer is the same, with side to side movement but when alarmed it will raise itís tale up as a warning.
An exception might be the beaver which uses itís tale for swimming. A skunk will raise itís tale vertically in order to spray. There is no indication that whales evolved from neither skunks or beavers.
Whales and dolphins as you have previously pointed out have this very powerful specially designed tale that propels them forward with a up and down movement.
My question to you Doctor, where are the transitional fossils that show this spectacular change from a tale that moves from side to side to a whales that moves up and down?
One jawbone or one bone doesnít constitute a slew of transitional fossils. There should be hundreds of fossils that show each phase of the transition. But thereís not but a few sparse examples. Very sparse examples are known Doctor.
If you are going to win me over with evidence, it slim pickings out there Doctor.
Have you never wondered why a creature that spends its entire life in an aquatic environment doesn't have gills? You can deny the evolution of Whales but must face the fact that this may be one of the worst examples of design by your almighty designer. Billions of sea dwelling creatures, all marvelously designed for their environment (they evolved these design over millions of years) yet three species of mammals share the same environment with non of the designs the others have. Dolphins, Porpoises, and Whales all are air breathers. Very poor design for finding food, and giving birth. Newborns drown if the female doesn't get under it in time to bring it to the surface to breath. Sperm whales must hold theta breath to dive almost a mile down for food. It has very little time to hunt once down, very poor design.

You missed to point on the movement through the water. All fish and sharks swim with a side to side motion of the tail, an obviously superior action to move throughout the water, the whale has a vertical shape to its spine much more adapted to running. Watch any land dwelling animal run and you will see EXACTLY the same motion as a whale moving throughout the water. Couple that with the fully formed wrist bones found in the Right Whale, and the vestigial hind legs in most whales, and you have a species that was obviously a prior land mammal.

So if the evolution of whales if untrue, and there is simply way to much information to then contrary, then your Creator God is one terrible designed.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#138083 Nov 16, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Land mammals predominantly move their tales from side to side. A deer is the same, with side to side movement but when alarmed it will raise itís tale up as a warning.
An exception might be the beaver which uses itís tale for swimming. A skunk will raise itís tale vertically in order to spray. There is no indication that whales evolved from neither skunks or beavers.
Whales and dolphins as you have previously pointed out have this very powerful specially designed tale that propels them forward with a up and down movement.
My question to you Doctor, where are the transitional fossils that show this spectacular change from a tale that moves from side to side to a whales that moves up and down?
Tall tales, eagle?
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#138084 Nov 16, 2012
Good on you... but sometimes, you can have a bit too much sport. No, really.

Double Fine wrote:
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Shane Watson in second Test!
Game on!
As you can guess, Double Fine is on a sporting high

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#138085 Nov 16, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Sometimes I think you are a cleverly disguised atheist troll.
Why? Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#138086 Nov 16, 2012
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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If there was a world wide flood that covered everything to the highest peaks there had to of been a lot of arks floating around for all these religions to have survived. I'm sure there have been tons of local floods that seem to the people of that particular area the flood covered the world. Which would be the something behind the flood stories.
Or it could be that the story had some sort of metaphorical meaning? I don't know, I'm just saying.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138087 Nov 16, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Casey Luskin is the co-founder of Intelligent Design and Evolutions Awareness. He's on the Staff at the Discovery Institute. Try posting some articles by REAL scientists, not those who have been laughed out of existence by real scientists.
This is exactly what I have been talking about, 135,000 articles supporting the facts of evolution and not ONE presented to refute this fact. He has articles published in religious periodicals like the Christian Science Monitor, non in reputable peer review journals. There is NO science behind ID, you can't name one scientific discovery that came from ID and is accepted and supporters by mainstream science.
Read the whole article and you will see they never said the timeline, which a question, made it IMPOSSIBLE for Whales to have evolved from land mammals, only that they EVOLVED more quickly than previously thought.
Posting things from creationists only make you look --------I'll be polite....less informed!!!
The points made by whomever is merely discredited because they are associated with a different point of view?

I donít know this Casey Luskin personally Doctor. I look at the content of what was said and judge it accordingly. So I have went to find out about Casey,

{I am an attorney who works in Seattle, Washington as Program Officer in Public Policy & Legal Affairs with The Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. Before pursuing law, I studied geology, devoting much of my time to studying evolution and conducting geological research at Scripps Institution for Oceanography}.

Heís no different than you Doctor, heís intelligent, accomplished, and studies outside of his discipline.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#138088 Nov 16, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>14Nov12.....
.....Do you mean Noah and da Ark!!!
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Yes dear, but the hindu story is abit different. When I can remember it, I will tell you about it.:)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#138089 Nov 16, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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Or it could be that the story had some sort of metaphorical meaning? I don't know, I'm just saying.
Then the bible is not fact.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138090 Nov 16, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Have you never wondered why a creature that spends its entire life in an aquatic environment doesn't have gills? You can deny the evolution of Whales but must face the fact that this may be one of the worst examples of design by your almighty designer. Billions of sea dwelling creatures, all marvelously designed for their environment (they evolved these design over millions of years) yet three species of mammals share the same environment with non of the designs the others have. Dolphins, Porpoises, and Whales all are air breathers. Very poor design for finding food, and giving birth. Newborns drown if the female doesn't get under it in time to bring it to the surface to breath. Sperm whales must hold theta breath to dive almost a mile down for food. It has very little time to hunt once down, very poor design.
You missed to point on the movement through the water. All fish and sharks swim with a side to side motion of the tail, an obviously superior action to move throughout the water, the whale has a vertical shape to its spine much more adapted to running. Watch any land dwelling animal run and you will see EXACTLY the same motion as a whale moving throughout the water. Couple that with the fully formed wrist bones found in the Right Whale, and the vestigial hind legs in most whales, and you have a species that was obviously a prior land mammal.
So if the evolution of whales if untrue, and there is simply way to much information to then contrary, then your Creator God is one terrible designed.
{the whale has a vertical shape to its spine much more adapted to running. Watch any land dwelling animal run and you will see EXACTLY the same motion as a whale moving throughout the water}.

Iím sorry Doctor I donít see any correlation with whales and land animals running. None what so ever. Neither am I aware of any land animals with blow holes.

Again it takes a stretch, I mean a hell of a stretch of the imagination to believe a deer or whatever animal was running near the ocean and then turned into a whale. Hey, itís your life, if you want to believe that, ok, but I just canít. Itís waaaaaaaaaaay too far fetched for me.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#138091 Nov 16, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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{the whale has a vertical shape to its spine much more adapted to running. Watch any land dwelling animal run and you will see EXACTLY the same motion as a whale moving throughout the water}.
Iím sorry Doctor I donít see any correlation with whales and land animals running. None what so ever. Neither am I aware of any land animals with blow holes.
Again it takes a stretch, I mean a hell of a stretch of the imagination to believe a deer or whatever animal was running near the ocean and then turned into a whale. Hey, itís your life, if you want to believe that, ok, but I just canít. Itís waaaaaaaaaaay too far fetched for me.
You just don't pay attention to anything, do you? Unless it's in that book of fables, you don't even want to know it exists.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#138092 Nov 16, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Tall tales, eagle?
lllllol! You and eagle are toooo funny!

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#138093 Nov 16, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Have you never wondered why a creature that spends its entire life in an aquatic environment doesn't have gills? You can deny the evolution of Whales but must face the fact that this may be one of the worst examples of design by your almighty designer. Billions of sea dwelling creatures, all marvelously designed for their environment (they evolved these design over millions of years) yet three species of mammals share the same environment with non of the designs the others have. Dolphins, Porpoises, and Whales all are air breathers. Very poor design for finding food, and giving birth. Newborns drown if the female doesn't get under it in time to bring it to the surface to breath. Sperm whales must hold theta breath to dive almost a mile down for food. It has very little time to hunt once down, very poor design.
You missed to point on the movement through the water. All fish and sharks swim with a side to side motion of the tail, an obviously superior action to move throughout the water, the whale has a vertical shape to its spine much more adapted to running. Watch any land dwelling animal run and you will see EXACTLY the same motion as a whale moving throughout the water. Couple that with the fully formed wrist bones found in the Right Whale, and the vestigial hind legs in most whales, and you have a species that was obviously a prior land mammal.
So if the evolution of whales if untrue, and there is simply way to much information to then contrary, then your Creator God is one terrible designed.
{worst examples of design by your almighty designer}.

Here I disagree with you again. I think whales and dolphins are magnificent breathtaking creatures. They are the elite of the ocean creatures.

They tell me our submariners can hear them singing for hundreds of miles in the ocean. I donít know if they are singing the Blues or Country & Western. But theyíre damn sure singing some type of heartache song.

I just hate the thought of countries hunting these magnificently designed intelligent creatures. They have such beauty Doctor. They couldnít have been designed any better. Iím surprised Doctor at your statement and you being a seaman.
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#138094 Nov 16, 2012
The bible is a fact. Without one, my garden table would wobble like a
bastard.
KittenKoder wrote:
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Then the bible is not fact.

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