Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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ChristineM wrote:
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Well that the majority of christians sorted
Eh?

Are you OK, Chris? Your posts this morning have been eratic.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Every other link you gave me yielded a 404 error. Google results - really? The number of results from a google search mean absolutely nothing. I can get millions of results from searching "witchcraft," does that mean witches are real?
Give me an actual link, to an actual study, or at least a summary that does a good job of explaining the methodology. Don't list google results.
I do think it's funny that your first link immediately denied the power of prayer. That's irony for ya.
No, it doesn't. I'm just showing you that the "study" of prayer is inconclusive.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
So his one working link says Prayer failed.

Nice :)
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<quoted text>This is the first paragraph of the wiki you posted:
The efficacy of prayer has been the topic of various studies since Francis Galton first addressed it in 1872. Double-blind studies have failed to find any effect. According to the Washington Post, "...prayer is the most common complement to mainstream medicine, far outpacing acupuncture, herbs, vitamins and other alternative remedies."[1] Physician Fred Rosner has expressed doubt that prayer could ever be subject to empirical analysis.[2]
On the issue of intercessory prayer Christian teachings have emphasized the need for guidance from the Holy Spirit as to what needs to be prayed for and have taught that "God can not be coerced."[3][4][5]

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There is plenty of debating that "fact". Not just from people like me, either. Evolutionists argue & disprove each other all the time.
No, there is not. There is debate as to how exactly it happened, but there is no debate that it happened. Do you understand the distinction? The *theory* of evolution explains the *fact* of evolution.

And WTF is an evolutionist? Are they like gravityers?

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No, it doesn't. I'm just showing you that the "study" of prayer is inconclusive.
It is, insofar as any study of anything is inconclusive, because you can always say "well, maybe sometime in the future we might find something new." But as far as the studies themselves go, they were conclusive. Either god turned off prayer during those studies, or prayer doesn't work. The methodology was sound - read about it.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
So his one working link says Prayer failed.
Nice :)
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Yeah. I thought it was pretty awesome.
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Nov 15, 2012
 
What examples of this are you most familiar with?
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Evolutionists argue & disprove each other all the time.

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and still got most of it left

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Eh?
Are you OK, Chris? Your posts this morning have been eratic.
It was you that made the statement “Only the ignorant fool prays for material possessions.”

Have you ever seen an atheist pray?

I was assuming you were referring to christians. Could have been one of the other religions but considering it was you making the statement I realised you are not up to commenting on other religions

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Nov 15, 2012
 
I have a feeling this picture hits him a little too close to home.

http://www.justsaypictures.com/epic-fail-81.h...
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<quoted text>Yeah. I thought it was pretty awesome.

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<quoted text>No, there is not. There is debate as to how exactly it happened, but there is no debate that it happened. Do you understand the distinction? The *theory* of evolution explains the *fact* of evolution.
And WTF is an evolutionist? Are they like gravityers?
Must I do ALL your homework for you?

ev·o·lu·tion·ist
/&#716;ev&#601;&#7 12;lo&#862;oSH&#601;ni st/
Noun
A person who believes in the theories of evolution and natural selection.

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In the macro world.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
Here's a site right up your...er...alley.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It is, insofar as any study of anything is inconclusive, because you can always say "well, maybe sometime in the future we might find something new." But as far as the studies themselves go, they were conclusive. Either god turned off prayer during those studies, or prayer doesn't work. The methodology was sound - read about it.
*OR*

The method of testing was wrong.

After all, the supernatural is NOT in the realm of science...

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It was you that made the statement “Only the ignorant fool prays for material possessions.”
Have you ever seen an atheist pray?
I was assuming you were referring to christians. Could have been one of the other religions but considering it was you making the statement I realised you are not up to commenting on other religions
In time of need I have seen atheist say "Oh, God, please don't let this happen."

It's their ignorant version of prayer.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
So his one working link says Prayer failed.
Nice :)
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Have you anything worthy to add or are you just the shit talker troll?

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Aerobatty wrote:
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Here's a site right up your...er...alley.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
Why are they up my alley?
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And your priests say "jesus christ" when they climax over choirboys.
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In time of need I have seen atheist say "Oh, God, please don't let this happen."
It's their ignorant version of prayer.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Must I do ALL your homework for you?
ev·o·lu·tion·ist
/&#716;ev&#601;&#7 12;lo&#862;oSH&#601;ni st/
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A person who believes in the theories of evolution and natural selection.
I know what the word means... I was pointing out that it is a stupid term, because it implies the same level of belief and dedication found in religion. Which, as we all should know, is nonsense. It also implies that because there are some people who "believe" in the theory, that there must be scientists who don't, and that it is reasonable to object to it. As I said, it would be just as dumb as labeling someone a "gravitologist."

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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In time of need I have seen atheist say "Oh, God, please don't let this happen."
It's their ignorant version of prayer.
It's indicative of how much your belief system has permeated our society.

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*OR*
The method of testing was wrong.
After all, the supernatural is NOT in the realm of science...
It's not until it makes a positive claim - the power of prayer is a positive claim. And it was found to be lacking.

Check out the methodology yourself instead of dismissing it out of hand.

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And your priests say "jesus christ" when they climax over choirboys.
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You're disgusting.

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