Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#137867 Nov 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Every other link you gave me yielded a 404 error. Google results - really? The number of results from a google search mean absolutely nothing. I can get millions of results from searching "witchcraft," does that mean witches are real?

Give me an actual link, to an actual study, or at least a summary that does a good job of explaining the methodology. Don't list google results.

I do think it's funny that your first link immediately denied the power of prayer. That's irony for ya.

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#137868 Nov 15, 2012
Ohhh... 28 Million results for witchcraft! Witches are more real than prayer!

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#137869 Nov 15, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Not only that, the study only checked the "feel good" factor of it, no actual physical effects. It's a dishonest attempt, at best.
Haha. It's not surprising then - we all know prayer can affect the brain.

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#137870 Nov 15, 2012
"God can not be coerced."

I find these quote especially strange. Would a god really be so petty so as to deny his followers the power of prayer if they were simply trying to do a study on it? "People are trying to find out if I'm real, time to deny the ones who are praying for relief from sickness."

“Ditat Deus”

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#137871 Nov 15, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't mean to imply that it did - I said it "shouldn't" upset you, and that it upsets some people because it conflicts with their world view.
And we have a pretty darn good idea of how it happened and how we got here - and even though our knowledge isn't perfect - one thing is for sure - evolution happened. There is no debating that fact.
There is plenty of debating that "fact". Not just from people like me, either. Evolutionists argue & disprove each other all the time.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137872 Nov 15, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Well that the majority of christians sorted
Eh?

Are you OK, Chris? Your posts this morning have been eratic.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137873 Nov 15, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Every other link you gave me yielded a 404 error. Google results - really? The number of results from a google search mean absolutely nothing. I can get millions of results from searching "witchcraft," does that mean witches are real?
Give me an actual link, to an actual study, or at least a summary that does a good job of explaining the methodology. Don't list google results.
I do think it's funny that your first link immediately denied the power of prayer. That's irony for ya.
No, it doesn't. I'm just showing you that the "study" of prayer is inconclusive.

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Lexington, KY

#137874 Nov 15, 2012
So his one working link says Prayer failed.

Nice :)
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>This is the first paragraph of the wiki you posted:
The efficacy of prayer has been the topic of various studies since Francis Galton first addressed it in 1872. Double-blind studies have failed to find any effect. According to the Washington Post, "...prayer is the most common complement to mainstream medicine, far outpacing acupuncture, herbs, vitamins and other alternative remedies."[1] Physician Fred Rosner has expressed doubt that prayer could ever be subject to empirical analysis.[2]
On the issue of intercessory prayer Christian teachings have emphasized the need for guidance from the Holy Spirit as to what needs to be prayed for and have taught that "God can not be coerced."[3][4][5]

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#137875 Nov 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There is plenty of debating that "fact". Not just from people like me, either. Evolutionists argue & disprove each other all the time.
No, there is not. There is debate as to how exactly it happened, but there is no debate that it happened. Do you understand the distinction? The *theory* of evolution explains the *fact* of evolution.

And WTF is an evolutionist? Are they like gravityers?

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#137876 Nov 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, it doesn't. I'm just showing you that the "study" of prayer is inconclusive.
It is, insofar as any study of anything is inconclusive, because you can always say "well, maybe sometime in the future we might find something new." But as far as the studies themselves go, they were conclusive. Either god turned off prayer during those studies, or prayer doesn't work. The methodology was sound - read about it.

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#137877 Nov 15, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
So his one working link says Prayer failed.
Nice :)
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Yeah. I thought it was pretty awesome.
Thinking

Dalry, UK

#137878 Nov 15, 2012
What examples of this are you most familiar with?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Evolutionists argue & disprove each other all the time.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#137879 Nov 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Eh?
Are you OK, Chris? Your posts this morning have been eratic.
It was you that made the statement “Only the ignorant fool prays for material possessions.”

Have you ever seen an atheist pray?

I was assuming you were referring to christians. Could have been one of the other religions but considering it was you making the statement I realised you are not up to commenting on other religions

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#137880 Nov 15, 2012
I have a feeling this picture hits him a little too close to home.

http://www.justsaypictures.com/epic-fail-81.h...
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah. I thought it was pretty awesome.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137881 Nov 15, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, there is not. There is debate as to how exactly it happened, but there is no debate that it happened. Do you understand the distinction? The *theory* of evolution explains the *fact* of evolution.
And WTF is an evolutionist? Are they like gravityers?
Must I do ALL your homework for you?

ev·o·lu·tion·ist
/&#716;ev&#601;&#7 12;lo&#862;oSH&#601;ni st/
Noun
A person who believes in the theories of evolution and natural selection.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#137882 Nov 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Here's a site right up your...er...alley.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

“Ditat Deus”

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#137883 Nov 15, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It is, insofar as any study of anything is inconclusive, because you can always say "well, maybe sometime in the future we might find something new." But as far as the studies themselves go, they were conclusive. Either god turned off prayer during those studies, or prayer doesn't work. The methodology was sound - read about it.
*OR*

The method of testing was wrong.

After all, the supernatural is NOT in the realm of science...

“Ditat Deus”

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#137884 Nov 15, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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It was you that made the statement “Only the ignorant fool prays for material possessions.”
Have you ever seen an atheist pray?
I was assuming you were referring to christians. Could have been one of the other religions but considering it was you making the statement I realised you are not up to commenting on other religions
In time of need I have seen atheist say "Oh, God, please don't let this happen."

It's their ignorant version of prayer.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137885 Nov 15, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
So his one working link says Prayer failed.
Nice :)
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Have you anything worthy to add or are you just the shit talker troll?

“Ditat Deus”

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#137886 Nov 15, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Here's a site right up your...er...alley.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
Why are they up my alley?

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