Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#137764 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Dave is mine!
OK, here's a tough one for you: Dave or Eagle?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137766 Nov 14, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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How do you tell the sex of a chromosome?
Pull down its genes.
hahahaha!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#137767 Nov 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>A few seconds after the big bang LOL
Another, highly qualified, genius! Thank god we have these highly educated, god fearing, people to keep us straight! Otherwise, we might fall for the bs that scientists are pushing.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137768 Nov 14, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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OK, here's a tough one for you: Dave or Eagle?
Can we use duct tape?

If so, then Eagle, no contest.

If not, then Eagle, no contest.

But it's better with duct tape (apologies to Eagle).

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#137769 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
But I freely decided to respond to your post.
And I'm freely ending it.
Look at that! Free will!
There never was a free will!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137770 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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When you work in a scientific field, you have to talk about science anyway, that's just part of the job.
"So, how does that zyglomatic arch look to you?"

"Robost. It's clearly an archaic trait."

"Bob, you believe in evolution, right?"

"Yeah, Hiding. What?"

"I just want to introduce you to the mysteries of evolution."

"Hiding, we're looking at a 210 thousand year old cheekbone and trying to place it into a species category! Of course I believe in evolution!"

"No, Bob, it means much more to me then that. Will you pray with me to Darwin, Bob?"

"Hiding! What the hell has gotten into you? Can we complete our analysis on this skull first? Oh, don't look at me like that!"

"Bob..."

"Oh, for Darwin's sake! Ok, ok, we'll pray to Him."

"Great!"

"But we're not doing the 1931 New Synthesis Charter three paragraph four, amendment 16 prayer. I'm not into that sect."

<Hiding picks up a femur to look at it>

"What? Why not? That's what we did last time."

"Well, last time I felt that way. But now I'm born again and think that the 1972 Punctuated Equilibrium prayer is more fitting for this work."

<Hiding lowers femur a bit>

"Oh, and which version?"

"From the Synod meeting 1984, September 5th..."

<Hiding lowers femur to the table>

"...4th hour annotation and vote."

<Hiding slams femur into Bob's temple> Whack!

"Die, heretic!!!"

<sinks to her knees, cradling Bob's bleeding head>

"Oh, Bob, why??? You should have said 5th hour!"

<Department chair walks in>

"Hiding! Another one? Darwin damnit! We're going to have to review your position here if you keep spreading that religion of yours!"

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#137771 Nov 14, 2012
Adventures is evolution!
Ban Stalkers

Franklin Park, IL

#137772 Nov 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Can we use duct tape?
If so, then Eagle, no contest.
If not, then Eagle, no contest.
But it's better with duct tape (apologies to Eagle).
THIS IS THE DEAL FOLKS, THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO LIVES AND ARE LOSERS. SO, THEY TRY TO GET INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES SO THEY CAN ATTACH THEMSELVES TO A LIFE. YES, LEACHES, BLOOD SUCKING FOR LIFE.

There are some new laws, which are not espoused in the video. Between July 2011 and Dec. 2011, a poster named Native, on the Christian forums, who had actually stopped posting for about a year, was notified in July 2011, that a photo of her recently deceased mom was posted as a posters avatar. She was shocked to see that it was sitting there, not removed by right there. She had been grieving for less than 8 months. It took her two weeks to get it taken down.

These were down by a group of about 10 gay atheists.

Here are their names, in order of involvement and tolerating the attack.

1. Jaybird1956
2. Rnl2008
3. MrsMurphy
4. IamServant
5. Nettiebelle
6. Troth Leogoere
7. Seenisawesome
8. Tickedoffchic
8. resident
9. 15th Dalai Lama
10. Loveismygoal
11. Seriously
12. MrsWhitewater
13. RoseNoHo

A lot of you know them, because you applaud them and do the same thing to yellodog aka pattiecake

You are:

1. Happy Lesbo
2. boooots
3. Hidingfromyou
4. Catcher
5. RoseNoHo
6. Kaitlin the wolf witch
7. Peace-Love-Happiness
8. Lacez
9. synper
10. fake (yellodog3 aka Happy Lesbo
11. passing through
12. ratherbeinmissouri

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/topix-innoce ...
By EAMON MCNIFF
March 21, 2012

In Blairsville, Ga., as in most American towns, gossip is dished out with the daily special at the local diner. But now there's a new forum called Topix that spreads gossip as fast as the Internet connection allows. And unlike the diner, where you know the person you're talking to, Topix uses only screen names.

The combination of small-town familiarity -- everyone knows each other -- anonymity and instant dissemination compounds the impact when gossip is aimed at a neighbor or small business. Words on a web page -- permanent, searchable and bearing the authority of the (digitally) printed word -- are different from hearsay that can be forgotten or laughed off. They can ruin someone's life.

Watch the whole story on the full episode of "20/20"

Ask Gene Cooley. Cooley grew up in and around Blairsville. In 2008 he was living in town, a divorced father of two young boys who was holding down a job as a hair stylist.

He had been given a second chance at love. He was engaged to Paulette Harper, who, together with her daughter, was getting ready to start a new life with Cooley.

"She was a wonderful girl," Cooley said in an interview with "20/20" Anchor Chris Cuomo. "She had a beautiful heart, a beautiful soul."
PHOTO: Gene Cooley, of Blairsville, Ga., with his late fiancee, Paulette Harper, and her daughter.
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Yet before their new life could begin, Harper's ex took it all away.

"Apparently she was taking a nap," Cooley said. "Somehow he got in, startled her, and must have pushed her down and then shot her. He waited around for a little while, and then finally committed suicide."

Cooley's world was shattered, he said. All that was left was to bring Harper's body to Florida, where her family lived.

THIS IS NOT A GAME, BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO TREAT IT LIKE ONE.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137773 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Going with your statement,{It didn't fuse gradually. It fused in one go. After that, it was organized gradually}.
Where is the gradual and slow change?
This Chromosome #2 fusing is telling me there was no gradual change.
But one very big major change.
This defies what evolution has been teaching.
So when did this fusing take place?
Oh, sorry, missed the date. It had to happen after the Pan/hominin split, so after 6.3 million years ago.

That's about the best I can tell you since I'm not up to date on that. It wouldn't really matter when it happened, but it could only happen after that time. I would guess later, to be honest, probably just before Lucy. Although, it may have happened after her, too.

Without genes taken from ancient bones, it's impossible to say. Well, that's not really true. We could probably test the mutation rate on the centromeres and come up with a guess, but as far as I know, that hasn't been done.

I just checked and it looks as if the Devinsonian DNA has the fused chromosome as we do, so that puts it at least about 2 million years old (b/c H. erectus left Africa roughly 2 million years ago and evolved into Devinsonian hominins around 400 000 - 800 000 years ago).

Here's one of the original papers on it, so you can see why scientists have decided that this hypothesis is confirmed (but it gives no dates):

http://www.pnas.org/content/88/20/9051.full.p...

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#137774 Nov 14, 2012
Holyfuckingshit!

LOL

Poor Bob.
Ban Stalkers

Franklin Park, IL

#137775 Nov 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Should I start with the alphabet song and just work my way up?
Just so you know, you are in one of the sexiest cities in the world, and it is 11:47 pm and you can't even find a rat that's finds you attractive. A brain and boob implant might help ya. Silicone for both.

Are you sure that your dad did not want a boy, so he tied your chest with duct tape and kept your breast 12 year old size? Wait, perhaps another reason.

~~~SMILE~~~
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#137776 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I hear what you're saying but I disagree.
God knows what we're all gonna do but that doesn't mean it's preordained. WE don't know.
Also, God allows us to make our own decisions in life, otherwise there's be no atheists.
We can all act on our own discretion. THAT is free will.
No, of course YOU don't know, but God does. God see's that tomorrow you're going to take a different route to work, can you now, take one that is different? A week from now God knows that you will hit a scratch ticket for $2,000 dollars, is it at all possible for you to NOT buy that ticket? If what you say about Gd being all knowing, all seeing, then your path through life is set, God knows exactly what path you will take, you have no other choice but to follow that path. You think you are making decisions but it's an illusion, those decisions you're gong to make 5 min. from now are preordained. You have no free will!!!!!
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#137777 Nov 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I've tried to explain it to him in very, very simple terms. He either is incapable of learning or doesn't want to.
For example, he reposts stuff about "living fossils" every now and again. As in "why are horseshoe crabs still around???" Then I explain to him how the "species concept" works and how he's not invoking it at all.
Then he screams and cries out "why don't chimpanzees drive???" And I explain the concept of "niche" and "adaptive peak" but...but...I might as well be teaching a crocodile to sing.
He's one of this so indoctrinated in his religious beliefs that his mind simply cannot accept evolution. In doing so, he thinks it will invalidate his beliefs. You shouldn't be surprised, I'm sure you've seen this kind of mind poisoning before. But please keep trying as I enjoy the information you provide, it broadens my understanding.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#137779 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I donít think the majority of scientist are involved in some kind of mass conspiracy. Understanding that there are many disciplines of science. Only a very small percentage are evolutionist. These evolutionist truly believe in their discipline.
However, there is a hell of a lot of speculation and imagination in this field. Great spans are missing in their theory. It is and remains a science of the imagination. Full of artist conceptions to convince students and the public that it indeed happened.
Itís an interesting theory. But it lacks any real substance. I have looked at the fossil record. Itís pretty damn scarce for human evolution. A single bone from six million years ago. Another millions later. Here a bone and there a bone. O McDonald had a farm E I - EI - Oooo.
Doctor, Iím going to have to remain a sinner when it comes to macro evolution. I just canít come down to the alter over a speculation based theory.
In 2009 there were 135,000 articles published in peer review and scientific journal supporting evolution. Guess how many were published refuting the FACTs of evolution......yep, ZERO, why is that do you suppose? If the TOE is so chalked full of speculation rather than hard cold facts, why has no one published anything pointing out these alleged flaws? Maybe you could publish something. Is there any reason why you couldn't have something published in a reputable scientific journal? If you feel so strong about how wrong the TOE is, and seem to know without doubt, then do the world a favor and publish something so we can all know how flawed the Theory is. Of course you just might have to demonstrate some knowledge on the subject, maybe make the publisher aware of your credentials as an expert on the subject. I'll be waiting for your article, I can't wait to hear how 135,000 experts on the subject are totally wrong, and you are right. Good Luck.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137780 Nov 14, 2012
Ban Stalkers wrote:
<quoted text>THIS IS THE DEAL FOLKS, THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO LIVES AND ARE LOSERS. SO, THEY TRY TO GET INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES SO THEY CAN ATTACH THEMSELVES TO A LIFE. YES, LEACHES, BLOOD SUCKING FOR LIFE.
I fink sumbody's pwojectinnnng :( Poor baby, it's ok.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137781 Nov 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave is yours. Dave is so yours.
Damn! Jedi mind trick again!
Yes! It never fails. You can have sloppy seconds :)

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137782 Nov 14, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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OK, here's a tough one for you: Dave or Eagle?
Easy - Dave. He is an obstinate jerk, but all his batshit lunacy is charming, in a crazy old person kind of way. Eagle just doesn't have that certain something.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137783 Nov 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Can we use duct tape?
If so, then Eagle, no contest.
If not, then Eagle, no contest.
But it's better with duct tape (apologies to Eagle).
Pshhh

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#137784 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Recently a senior NASA scientist involved in Mars exploration was fired because he came out and said he didnít believe in macro evolution. He as a case pending in court.
David Coppedge was not a senior scientist at NASA but a computer specialist who worked on the Casini mission to explore Saturn. It is quite possible to advance in IT without understanding science in a larger sense, which is why the term "computer scientist" is a misnomer more often than not. NASA attorneys argued that Coppedge was "a stubborn and disconnected employee who decided not to heed warnings to get additional training, even when it became clear the Cassini mission would be downsized and computer specialist positions eliminated," not because of his view, and Superior Court Judge Ernest Hiroshige agreed in a tentative ruling earlier this month.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#137785 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ugh.. Here's one of many tests that show prayer DOES work:
"1. "Positive Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer in a Coronary Care Unit Population"
Methods
Cardiac patients from the San Francisco General Medical Center were randomly divided (using a computer-generated list) into two groups. The names of the patients in the "test" group were given to a group of Christians, who prayed for them while they were in the hospital. The intercessory prayer team members were chosen on the following basis:
Born again Christians on the basis of John 3:35
Led an active Christian life on the basis of
daily devotional prayer
fellowship in a local Christian church
The "placebo" group received no prayer. Neither the "test" nor the "placebo" group of patients knew if they were receiving prayer. Likewise, the hospital staff, doctors, or nurses were "blinded" since they did not know which patient belonged to which group.
Results
Statistics were acquired from the prayer and placebo groups both before and after prayer, until the patients were discharged from the hospital. There were no statistical differences between the placebo and the prayer groups before prayer was initiated. The results demonstrated that patients who were prayed for suffered "less congestive heart failure, required less diuretic and antibiotic therapy, had fewer episodes of pneumonia, had fewer cardiac arrests, and were less frequently intubated and ventilated." Statistics demonstrated the the prayer group had a statistically significantly lower severity score based upon the hospital course after entry (p < 0.01). Multivariate analysis of all the parameters measured demonstrated that the outcomes of the two groups were even more statistically significant (p < 0.0001). In science, the standard level of significance is when a "p value" is less than 0.05. A value of 0.01 means that the likelihood the result is because of chance is one in 100. A p value of 0.0001 indicates that in only one study out of 10,000 is the result likely to be due to chance. Table 2 from the study is reproduced below. The remarkable thing which one notices is that nearly every parameter measured is affected by prayer, although individually many categories do not reach the level of statistical significance due to sample size. However, multivariate analysis, which compares all parameters together produces a level of significance seldom reached in any scientific study (p < 0.0001). The author points out that the method used in this study does not produce the maximum effect of prayer, since the study could not control for the effect of outside prayer (i.e., it is likely many of the placebo group were prayed for by persons outside of the study). It is likely that a study which used only atheists (who had no Christian family or friends) would produce an even more dramatic result. However, since atheists make up only 1-2% of the population, it would be difficult to obtain a large enough sample size."
www.godandscience.org/.../pra ...
The basic problem with this study is that similar studies have shown contrary results, so that it fails a basic test of good science: repeatability.

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