Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#137655 Nov 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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And his signature!
<trembles>
I have a pretty elaborate picture in my mind of Dave's life. I recently found out he takes care of stray cats - this was very good fodder for my fantasies. I'm pretty ashamed of myself.

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#137656 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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'round and 'round we go.....
I know. We can drop it, as long as you accept my conviction that voodoo works because one day I smacked around a George Bush doll and the next day he choked on a pretzel. Deal?

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#137657 Nov 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I've tried to explain it to him in very, very simple terms. He either is incapable of learning or doesn't want to.
For example, he reposts stuff about "living fossils" every now and again. As in "why are horseshoe crabs still around???" Then I explain to him how the "species concept" works and how he's not invoking it at all.
Then he screams and cries out "why don't chimpanzees drive???" And I explain the concept of "niche" and "adaptive peak" but...but...I might as well be teaching a crocodile to sing.
I love it when he talks about horseshoe crabs.

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Lexington, KY

#137658 Nov 14, 2012
Still making a complete jackass out of yourself I see. LMFAO!

This reject doesn't know that catholics are christian :))

Wow loser even the theists are cringing at your stupidity!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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ugh to the nth degree....
Would you consider a cheeseburger & a hamburger the same thing?

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#137659 Nov 14, 2012


Dave's world.
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I have a pretty elaborate picture in my mind of Dave's life. I recently found out he takes care of stray cats - this was very good fodder for my fantasies. I'm pretty ashamed of myself.

“The eye has it...”

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#137660 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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ugh to the nth degree....
Would you consider a cheeseburger & a hamburger the same thing?
Variations on the sandwich, yes I would.

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#137661 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I crearry tord him that. He didn't risten.
That's not...

Ah nvm..

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137662 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I have and what I see is a bunch of smoke being blown up a peoples a**.
Itís going to take more than hype to convince me. A lot of scientist donít believe it either but in order to keep their jobs they have to accept it. This is what I mean when I say evolution has an enforcement arm.
If you are a scientist and you come out publicly that you donít believe in macro evolution. Youíre suddenly unemployed. But if a scientist questions some theory in physics, thatís ok. Just as long as he doesnít question evolution.
This is why I love Hans Christian Andersons book. It brings to light the scam that has been pulled on the general public.
No, Mr. Eagle's paranoia, that's not how it works. All us academics are 100% familiar with the Christian Anderson reference - we use it in the titles for our research papers sometimes.

You are incapable of being a critical thinker. I don't know why, but you are. You're incapable of applying critical thinking to your religion, your own beliefs and the stupidity that you have been taught as creationism.

Creationism is hollow. It's worthless garbage - it cannot produce new knowledge and technology. But you fail, utterly and completely, to comprehend that. Creationism is literally "the emperor has no clothes." It teaches you a whole bunch of nothing that jives with your religious beliefs and so you like it - and so you are unable to critique it.

A tenured biological scientist can stop producing research and proclaim his/her creationism. You could not get fired for that - that's what tenure is for. To protect scientists and academics from dangerous ideas.

I've told you this before. You never listen when I write to you but instead condescendingly write back "hug" so you can dodge thinking. After all, Michael Behe came out as an Intelligent Design advocate, and has since not done biological science, and is not fired. He can't be. He just remains an embarrassment to the department.

Evolution is the only theory that unifies all biological phenomena, provides predictions about how to test biological phenomena, leads to new research, knowledge production and new technology.

There are no competing theoretical frameworks - the vast majority of biological scientists understand that. The evidence only supports evolution.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137663 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I know. We can drop it, as long as you accept my conviction that voodoo works because one day I smacked around a George Bush doll and the next day he choked on a pretzel. Deal?
Sure. As long as you can accept that God answers my prayers.

“What's left to defend?”

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#137664 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Examples of something you don't have free will in.
Any decision we might make would be an example.

Many factors determine what choices we make. We aren't aware of all of them. We can't change many of them. We cannot change the past. We are bound by a complex set of circumstances that we have little control over, and little knowledge of. It seems to us like we have the freedom of choice, but where is freedom in constraint? We obviously feel like we have control, but how is it determined how we would want to control anything? That direction of control is also determined by factors that we cannot fully understand or control. It's just complex enough that we can see free will where there is none. That doesn't detract from what we actually have. It just gives us a little more insight into how humans work. It also causes us to look closer at how we view responsibility. There's an opportunity for real progression here.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137665 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Still making a complete jackass out of yourself I see. LMFAO!
This reject doesn't know that catholics are christian :))
Wow loser even the theists are cringing at your stupidity!
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Does your atheism promote your anger?

Are you THAT stupid to think that Christianity & Catholicism are the same thing?

Not *were*.....*are*

“Why does my ignorance”

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#137666 Nov 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Sure.
All figures are skewed by infant mortality and accidental or non-natural death.
But I'm willing to bet that many adults in pre industrial times succumbed to harsh winters.
That's not nearly as common now.
Heck, people start screaming if the power goes out for a couple of days in the winter.
Their bodies would be better developmentally capable of tolerating harsh winters than ours are. They would have been exposed to very cold temperatures as children, for longer periods of time. When that happens, the body produces developmental adaptations that enable greater tolerance of cold.

But, humans aren't cold adapted species - the Inuit represent the greatest morphological adaptations for cold weather. So, you're right, the oldest, sickest people would die in harsh winters if they weren't protected from the cold.

Incidentally, that still happens in Mongolia among the pastoralists. Every year they make a harsh and long trip to bring their animals to new pastures and every year some of the elderly die. But we're talking about people in their 70's.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#137668 Nov 14, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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Variations on the sandwich, yes I would.
And Christianity & Catholicism are variations of an ancient religion. They are different.

Similar, yes. But still different. There's a lot if beliefs & traditions that Catholics do that Christians don't.

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#137669 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Orpe14IQfvUXX
Dave's world.
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I have a much.. bleaker... fantasy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Ditat Deus”

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#137671 Nov 14, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Any decision we might make would be an example.
Many factors determine what choices we make. We aren't aware of all of them. We can't change many of them. We cannot change the past. We are bound by a complex set of circumstances that we have little control over, and little knowledge of. It seems to us like we have the freedom of choice, but where is freedom in constraint? We obviously feel like we have control, but how is it determined how we would want to control anything? That direction of control is also determined by factors that we cannot fully understand or control. It's just complex enough that we can see free will where there is none. That doesn't detract from what we actually have. It just gives us a little more insight into how humans work. It also causes us to look closer at how we view responsibility. There's an opportunity for real progression here.
That's not an example, that's another rant.

Here: if I change the channel in my TV, that is my choice, my free will, to do.

No?

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#137672 Nov 14, 2012
So again you are saying Catholics are not Christians!

OMFG it's like you got stuck the stupid button stuck!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And Christianity & Catholicism are variations of an ancient religion. They are different.
Similar, yes. But still different. There's a lot if beliefs & traditions that Catholics do that Christians don't.

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#137673 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Sure. As long as you can accept that God answers my prayers.
No, I can accept that you believe god answers your prayers. Why do you care if I believe your prayers are answered? If you believe it, good for you. I hope your religion brings you more fulfillment than it appears to bring most of the people I've seen on here.

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#137674 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's not an example, that's another rant.
Here: if I change the channel in my TV, that is my choice, my free will, to do.
No?
It wasn't really a rant. You should look into some of the research on the subject of free will - you will see that what we imagine as free will is more like an illusion of control after the fact.

“Why does my ignorance”

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#137675 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I donít think the majority of scientist are involved in some kind of mass conspiracy. Understanding that there are many disciplines of science. Only a very small percentage are evolutionist. These evolutionist truly believe in their discipline.
However, there is a hell of a lot of speculation and imagination in this field. Great spans are missing in their theory. It is and remains a science of the imagination. Full of artist conceptions to convince students and the public that it indeed happened.
Itís an interesting theory. But it lacks any real substance. I have looked at the fossil record. Itís pretty damn scarce for human evolution. A single bone from six million years ago. Another millions later. Here a bone and there a bone. O McDonald had a farm E I - EI - Oooo.
Doctor, Iím going to have to remain a sinner when it comes to macro evolution. I just canít come down to the alter over a speculation based theory.
Utterly false!

1. You have not "looked" at the fossil record. Further, if you did, you wouldn't know what to make of it since you don't seem to know the first thing about fossils or morphology, primitive and derived characteristics, species categories and so on. You don't even know what information can be learned from a fossil.

2. We have tons and tons and tons of hominin fossils.

Here's the wikipedia page listing fossil finds by site and not by number of bones (meaning that the no. of specimens is much higher than that list):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_ev...

Here is the most comprehensive review paper I could find that is freely available. So you can read it if you honestly want to know these things. It lists only first fossil found and then includes a brief discussion of interpretations and subsequent fossils found:

http://www.gwu.edu/~hogwash/BW_PDFs/RP156.pdf

The real beauty of that paper is that it describes the controversies in paleoanthropology. If you were truly interested in critiquing the findings of paleoanthropology, you'd read it. I don't believe that you are, though.

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