Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137595 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Notice he still doesn't want to mention the person's name?
Oops because then we could read the REAL story and facts don't bode well with his opinion. XD
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Actually, the story he's talking about was posted on Topix recently. It's real, just that not even the Supreme Court found any validity to the claim.

http://www.topix.com/news/evolution/2012/11/j...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137596 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a! What an idiot! No seriously reject you really are dumber than the average Christhole posts on here!
Wow! Lulz wow!
<quoted text>
I don't see what's so funny. I'm Christian, I don't go to Catholic Churches.....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#137597 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
As you said, Christians don't go to a Catholic Church!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a! Idiot! Brain dead reject! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
Pffffftttt bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
Oh wow you just made Dave and Buck look smarter by comparison and that takes effort! Rotflmfao!
<quoted text>
I hear that weed makes everything funny.....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137598 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok? You made it seem as if the actual process of evolution was in question. Our knowledge of any past event can never be perfect.
Agreed.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137599 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Good lord. Ok. This is going no where. The tests were no inconclusive. The results were very clear, the methodology was sound - therefore the only way to explain the results without discounting the power of prayer is to invoke a trickster god. Is your god a trickster?
No, I don't think so. Since I know that prayer works I must conclude that the "testing" being done on prayer is inconclusive. Probably because of the method of testing or the technology used to test.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137600 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't think so. Since I know that prayer works I must conclude that the "testing" being done on prayer is inconclusive. Probably because of the method of testing or the technology used to test.
Presupposition, you should stop making those.

You want prayer to work, so you deny when it fails.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137601 Nov 14, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be silly, there is no such thing as "free will" it's an illusion. Your God, or so you say, is all knowing, all powerful, there is nothing this god doesn't know including the future. He knows exactly what choices you are going to make, you have no choice but to choose the pathway God has set for you. Do you think you could choose a different path than the one God has preordained for you? Or don't you think God knows what path you are going to take? If what you say is true about your God thing, then "free will" is simply an illusion.
I hear what you're saying but I disagree.

God knows what we're all gonna do but that doesn't mean it's preordained. WE don't know.

Also, God allows us to make our own decisions in life, otherwise there's be no atheists.

We can all act on our own discretion. THAT is free will.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137602 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Then humans cannot have free will.
Because God is omniscient, you think humans have no free will?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137603 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are demonstrating confirmation bias on a daily basis, so it is safe to assume that you are doing that same thing when you "think" your prayers work.
It is believers who have never provided conclusive evidence of prayer working, it's one of the most common reasons for believers to become deists, actually. However, your asserting that it does work is dangerous, there are many parents who have allowed their children to suffer agonizing and horrific deaths that could have been prevented with medicine simply because it was "god's will." If you cannot provide solid evidence, then you cannot claim it works at all.
Ugh.. Here's one of many tests that show prayer DOES work:

"1. "Positive Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer in a Coronary Care Unit Population"

Methods
Cardiac patients from the San Francisco General Medical Center were randomly divided (using a computer-generated list) into two groups. The names of the patients in the "test" group were given to a group of Christians, who prayed for them while they were in the hospital. The intercessory prayer team members were chosen on the following basis:

Born again Christians on the basis of John 3:35
Led an active Christian life on the basis of
daily devotional prayer
fellowship in a local Christian church
The "placebo" group received no prayer. Neither the "test" nor the "placebo" group of patients knew if they were receiving prayer. Likewise, the hospital staff, doctors, or nurses were "blinded" since they did not know which patient belonged to which group.

Results
Statistics were acquired from the prayer and placebo groups both before and after prayer, until the patients were discharged from the hospital. There were no statistical differences between the placebo and the prayer groups before prayer was initiated. The results demonstrated that patients who were prayed for suffered "less congestive heart failure, required less diuretic and antibiotic therapy, had fewer episodes of pneumonia, had fewer cardiac arrests, and were less frequently intubated and ventilated." Statistics demonstrated the the prayer group had a statistically significantly lower severity score based upon the hospital course after entry (p < 0.01). Multivariate analysis of all the parameters measured demonstrated that the outcomes of the two groups were even more statistically significant (p < 0.0001). In science, the standard level of significance is when a "p value" is less than 0.05. A value of 0.01 means that the likelihood the result is because of chance is one in 100. A p value of 0.0001 indicates that in only one study out of 10,000 is the result likely to be due to chance. Table 2 from the study is reproduced below. The remarkable thing which one notices is that nearly every parameter measured is affected by prayer, although individually many categories do not reach the level of statistical significance due to sample size. However, multivariate analysis, which compares all parameters together produces a level of significance seldom reached in any scientific study (p < 0.0001). The author points out that the method used in this study does not produce the maximum effect of prayer, since the study could not control for the effect of outside prayer (i.e., it is likely many of the placebo group were prayed for by persons outside of the study). It is likely that a study which used only atheists (who had no Christian family or friends) would produce an even more dramatic result. However, since atheists make up only 1-2% of the population, it would be difficult to obtain a large enough sample size."

www.godandscience.org/.../pra ...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137604 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Because God is omniscient, you think humans have no free will?
If the future is known, then nothing done is choice, it's destined to happen. Destiny is the opposite of free will.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#137605 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Because God is omniscient, you think humans have no free will?
We don't have free will whether there are gods or not.

I don't subscribe to the "proof" that an omniscient god can't be in the same universe as free will. I can say that free will is just an illusion, and an omniscient god cannot exist physically/materially.

If we can say that anything is impossible, anything at all, we can also say that omniscient gods are impossible.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137606 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ugh.. Here's one of many tests that show prayer DOES work:
"1. "Positive Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer in a Coronary Care Unit Population"
Methods
Cardiac patients from the San Francisco General Medical Center were randomly divided (using a computer-generated list) into two groups. The names of the patients in the "test" group were given to a group of Christians, who prayed for them while they were in the hospital. The intercessory prayer team members were chosen on the following basis:
Born again Christians on the basis of John 3:35
Led an active Christian life on the basis of
daily devotional prayer
fellowship in a local Christian church
The "placebo" group received no prayer. Neither the "test" nor the "placebo" group of patients knew if they were receiving prayer. Likewise, the hospital staff, doctors, or nurses were "blinded" since they did not know which patient belonged to which group.
Results
Statistics were acquired from the prayer and placebo groups both before and after prayer, until the patients were discharged from the hospital. There were no statistical differences between the placebo and the prayer groups before prayer was initiated. The results demonstrated that patients who were prayed for suffered "less congestive heart failure, required less diuretic and antibiotic therapy, had fewer episodes of pneumonia, had fewer cardiac arrests, and were less frequently intubated and ventilated." Statistics demonstrated the the prayer group had a statistically significantly lower severity score based upon the hospital course after entry (p < 0.01). Multivariate analysis of all the parameters measured demonstrated that the outcomes of the two groups were even more statistically significant (p < 0.0001). In science, the standard level of significance is when a "p value" is less than 0.05. A value of 0.01 means that the likelihood the result is because of chance is one in 100. A p value of 0.0001 indicates that in only one study out of 10,000 is the result likely to be due to chance. Table 2 from the study is reproduced below. The remarkable thing which one notices is that nearly every parameter measured is affected by prayer, although individually many categories do not reach the level of statistical significance due to sample size. However, multivariate analysis, which compares all parameters together produces a level of significance seldom reached in any scientific study (p < 0.0001). The author points out that the method used in this study does not produce the maximum effect of prayer, since the study could not control for the effect of outside prayer (i.e., it is likely many of the placebo group were prayed for by persons outside of the study). It is likely that a study which used only atheists (who had no Christian family or friends) would produce an even more dramatic result. However, since atheists make up only 1-2% of the population, it would be difficult to obtain a large enough sample size."
www.godandscience.org/.../pra ...
That "study" did not make those findings, your source is one of many that manipulated the data.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#137607 Nov 14, 2012
Ah yes I thought he was crying about David Coppedge.

:Sigh:
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the story he's talking about was posted on Topix recently. It's real, just that not even the Supreme Court found any validity to the claim.
http://www.topix.com/news/evolution/2012/11/j...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#137608 Nov 14, 2012
So Catholics aren't Christian? Or do you want a do over half wit?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't see what's so funny. I'm Christian, I don't go to Catholic Churches.....

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#137609 Nov 14, 2012
Believers like you make everything MUCH more funny. Never liked weed, all it ever did for me the few times I tried it was give me a headache but that's just me.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I hear that weed makes everything funny.....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137610 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the story he's talking about was posted on Topix recently. It's real, just that not even the Supreme Court found any validity to the claim.
http://www.topix.com/news/evolution/2012/11/j...
"In his lawsuit, Coppedge claimed he was demoted in 2009 and then let go for engaging his co-workers in conversations about his views."

Awesome.

One wonders why the other coworkers didn't fired for expressing their views......

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#137611 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
I made a mistake in that post up there, eagle. If you can find it you get five points.
.. will give CATCHER 2-1 odds that Eagle can catch it ..

.. COME ON EAGLE, do your thing! Find the error so CATCHER has to loan another $50 to KIVA ..

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137612 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
That "study" did not make those findings, your source is one of many that manipulated the data.
Oh of course.....

It's manipulated data....

I should have known.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#137613 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Presupposition, you should stop making those.
You want prayer to work, so you deny when it fails.
Why is it ok for you and not me?

You presuppose that prayer doesn't work & go from there...

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137614 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
So you want to dive into the scientific world but don't wanna tawk with none O them fancy science words and smart people college webzones!
Ok here you go! Real proof given by a devout CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST one of yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BXdQRvSdLAsXX
And if that is just to hard for you to understand we will be resorting to this.
http://www.charliesplayhouse.com/
And..
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
You're welcome
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Thank you for the reference.

Primates have 48 Chromosomes. We have 46, ok thatís pretty close but potatoes have 46.

Chromosome #2 fused somehow allegedly.

How did it fuse, what caused the fusion? When did the fusion occur?

Evolution supposedly is this slow blending and gradual change.

However a fusion would indicate a sudden change.

You canít gradually fuse a chromosome. I canít image a chromosome gradually fusing, can you? Itís either fused or not. Like a chain, itís linked or not linked. Thereís no gradual linking.

To me the fusing of Chromosome #2 indicates that evolution didnít happen to mankind.

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