Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137569 Nov 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No I'm not. Prayer does work. I've experienced it working first hand! So whatever "tests" you've offered up, they're obviusly inconclusive.
You are demonstrating confirmation bias on a daily basis, so it is safe to assume that you are doing that same thing when you "think" your prayers work.

It is believers who have never provided conclusive evidence of prayer working, it's one of the most common reasons for believers to become deists, actually. However, your asserting that it does work is dangerous, there are many parents who have allowed their children to suffer agonizing and horrific deaths that could have been prevented with medicine simply because it was "god's will." If you cannot provide solid evidence, then you cannot claim it works at all.

Since: Sep 11

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#137570 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I have and what I see is a bunch of smoke being blown up a peoples a**.
Itís going to take more than hype to convince me. A lot of scientist donít believe it either but in order to keep their jobs they have to accept it. This is what I mean when I say evolution has an enforcement arm.
If you are a scientist and you come out publicly that you donít believe in macro evolution. Youíre suddenly unemployed. But if a scientist questions some theory in physics, thatís ok. Just as long as he doesnít question evolution.
This is why I love Hans Christian Andersons book. It brings to light the scam that has been pulled on the general public.
You're nuts. There is no secret cabal of "evolutionists" trying to scam the world. What would their motive be?

List the so called "scientists" who don't "believe" it. List the ones who have been fired for voicing their opinion. If some have been fired for just an opinion, that's wrong, but somewhat understandable. It would be like a scientist declaring that the earth is flat. However, if any have been fired, I would assume it's not just because of their opinion, but probably because they were doing ridiculous things like trying to teach intelligent design in class. This is just speculation, mind you, I don't care enough about your absurd claims to research them.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137571 Nov 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Sure.
All figures are skewed by infant mortality and accidental or non-natural death.
But I'm willing to bet that many adults in pre industrial times succumbed to harsh winters.
That's not nearly as common now.
Heck, people start screaming if the power goes out for a couple of days in the winter.
Yeah, definitely.

But remember, we are far less prepared for it than they were. We'd be screwed without electricity.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#137572 Nov 14, 2012
That's what I was thinking and while evolution has nothing I do with atheism, no matter how much the godbots scream, we have ample fossil and genetic proof to back evolution. This is trated abd retested daily. What do they have to back god? Huffing and puffing personal feelings and threats of hell.
scaritual wrote:
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To be honest, what you describe sounds much more like theism.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137573 Nov 14, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Education is the key here. Educating yourself on the FACTS of evolution will help you better understand how the process works. Could it be that you are misinformed about what constitutes evolution. Please don't tell me you belong to that camp of nutbags that hold to the belief that millions of scientists are part of a conspiracy to provide false information to the masses. I'll be very disappointed if thats the case. Do you really believe that hundreds of thousands of biologists, and evolutionary scientists could be so wrong about the process of evolution? You do know that evolution is present in todays medical science. That mainstream science accepts evolution as factual, and you do not, may have a lot to say for the religious blinding that has afflicted you. Its always very sad to see.
I donít think the majority of scientist are involved in some kind of mass conspiracy. Understanding that there are many disciplines of science. Only a very small percentage are evolutionist. These evolutionist truly believe in their discipline.

However, there is a hell of a lot of speculation and imagination in this field. Great spans are missing in their theory. It is and remains a science of the imagination. Full of artist conceptions to convince students and the public that it indeed happened.

Itís an interesting theory. But it lacks any real substance. I have looked at the fossil record. Itís pretty damn scarce for human evolution. A single bone from six million years ago. Another millions later. Here a bone and there a bone. O McDonald had a farm E I - EI - Oooo.

Doctor, Iím going to have to remain a sinner when it comes to macro evolution. I just canít come down to the alter over a speculation based theory.

Since: Sep 11

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#137574 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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This is why I love Hans Christian Andersons book. It brings to light the scam that has been pulled on the general public.
I want to investigate this claim further. I want to plumb the depths of your mind, eagle. Give me a compelling reason why there would exist a secret society of "evolutionists." Why would they want to propagate false knowledge? What would they get out of it? How would the rewards outweigh the risks? How would such a thing be covered up? How could millions of people be in on it?

Purely from a common sense/logistical standpoint, it doesn't make sense. It would be far, far too hard to pull off and there is almost no motive for attempting such a scam, at least not relative to the risks. Seriously, think about what you are claiming without allowing your ideas about god to taint your reasoning - you will see how absurd your claims are.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137575 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You're nuts. There is no secret cabal of "evolutionists" trying to scam the world. What would their motive be?
List the so called "scientists" who don't "believe" it. List the ones who have been fired for voicing their opinion. If some have been fired for just an opinion, that's wrong, but somewhat understandable. It would be like a scientist declaring that the earth is flat. However, if any have been fired, I would assume it's not just because of their opinion, but probably because they were doing ridiculous things like trying to teach intelligent design in class. This is just speculation, mind you, I don't care enough about your absurd claims to research them.
Recently a senior NASA scientist involved in Mars exploration was fired because he came out and said he didnít believe in macro evolution. He as a case pending in court.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137576 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You're nuts. There is no secret cabal of "evolutionists" trying to scam the world. What would their motive be?
List the so called "scientists" who don't "believe" it. List the ones who have been fired for voicing their opinion. If some have been fired for just an opinion, that's wrong, but somewhat understandable. It would be like a scientist declaring that the earth is flat. However, if any have been fired, I would assume it's not just because of their opinion, but probably because they were doing ridiculous things like trying to teach intelligent design in class. This is just speculation, mind you, I don't care enough about your absurd claims to research them.
Also in the past few years a number of Medical Doctors have came out against macro evolution.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137577 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Recently a senior NASA scientist involved in Mars exploration was fired because he came out and said he didnít believe in macro evolution. He as a case pending in court.
Well, pretending your conspiracy theory is at all accurate, for anyone who is supposedly educated to use the term "macro evolution" shows that they did not legitimately earn their degrees as that is not a scientific term and only shows a complete and total absence of comprehension of the English language as well as a lack of comprehension of scientific information. Macro/micro evolution was made up by creationists, in other words, there is no distinction.

Now, if one of you creatards could show a distinction then maybe, just maybe, there will be a case to adopt it into scientific data. However, you have shown none, all you do is arbitrarily segregate some things into these two artificial categories and never even once define them.

So here's your chance, DEFINE the boundary and difference between them.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137578 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Also in the past few years a number of Medical Doctors have came out against macro evolution.
Then those doctors did not earn their degrees. See my previous post.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137579 Nov 14, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
That's what I was thinking and while evolution has nothing I do with atheism, no matter how much the godbots scream, we have ample fossil and genetic proof to back evolution. This is trated abd retested daily. What do they have to back god? Huffing and puffing personal feelings and threats of hell.
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I tell you what, how about you showing me some of that real undeniable proof. Iím not talking about some scientific article written in Greek.

Iím talking about real proof, not speculation, nor could have, maybe, should have, kind of, may haves, suspected, presumed, alleged, assumed, we think, suppositions , hypothesis.

Real proof, you say itís out there. Let me see it. Donít send me off to some University web page that has no proof but a pages of professing a theory. I want to see facts and not theory.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#137580 Nov 14, 2012
Does this person have a name or did your creationist website neglect to post that?:))

I wonder if you are babbling about the discovery institute reject?
Eagle12 wrote:
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Recently a senior NASA scientist involved in Mars exploration was fired because he came out and said he didnít believe in macro evolution. He as a case pending in court.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137581 Nov 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Well, pretending your conspiracy theory is at all accurate, for anyone who is supposedly educated to use the term "macro evolution" shows that they did not legitimately earn their degrees as that is not a scientific term and only shows a complete and total absence of comprehension of the English language as well as a lack of comprehension of scientific information. Macro/micro evolution was made up by creationists, in other words, there is no distinction.
Now, if one of you creatards could show a distinction then maybe, just maybe, there will be a case to adopt it into scientific data. However, you have shown none, all you do is arbitrarily segregate some things into these two artificial categories and never even once define them.
So here's your chance, DEFINE the boundary and difference between them.
I canít believe you would challenge a established scientific term. No wait, I guess I can believe you would. Whereís your sign?

The term macro and micro evolution have origins that go all the way back to 1927. Neither is a recently created term and both are used in biology today.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/macroe...

mac∑ro∑ev∑o∑lu∑tion
&#8194; &#8194;[mak-roh-ev-uh-loo- shuhn or, especially Brit.,-ee-vuh-] Show IPA
noun Biology . major evolutionary transition from one type of organism to another occurring at the level of the species and higher taxa.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#137583 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Recently a senior NASA scientist involved in Mars exploration was fired because he came out and said he didnít believe in macro evolution. He as a case pending in court.
Well, that sucks, and I don't necessarily agree with that - but the fact is, he is a scientist, and as such, he should be able to recognize the difference between a scientific belief and a personal religious belief. If his religious beliefs corrupt his ability to be objective, then maybe he shouldn't be a scientist. He represents NASA, and he makes them look bad by lending credence to psuedoscience. Would you want our scientists to believe the earth was flat?

Since: Sep 11

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#137584 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Also in the past few years a number of Medical Doctors have came out against macro evolution.
Medical doctors are not scientists. Why don't we compare the number of deniers with the number of "evolutionists." That would be fun.

Since: Sep 11

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#137585 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I canít believe you would challenge a established scientific term. No wait, I guess I can believe you would. Whereís your sign?
The term macro and micro evolution have origins that go all the way back to 1927. Neither is a recently created term and both are used in biology today.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/macroe...
mac∑ro∑ev∑o∑lu∑tion
&#8194; &#8194;[mak-roh-ev-uh-loo- shuhn or, especially Brit.,-ee-vuh-] Show IPA
noun Biology . major evolutionary transition from one type of organism to another occurring at the level of the species and higher taxa.
The terminology is irrelevant. It's the supposed split between micro and macro that is completely fabricated by creationists. The mechanism is the same for both of them.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#137586 Nov 14, 2012
So you want to dive into the scientific world but don't wanna tawk with none O them fancy science words and smart people college webzones!

Ok here you go! Real proof given by a devout CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST one of yours.



And if that is just to hard for you to understand we will be resorting to this.

http://www.charliesplayhouse.com/

And..
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

You're welcome
Eagle12 wrote:
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I tell you what, how about you showing me some of that real undeniable proof. Iím not talking about some scientific article written in Greek.
Iím talking about real proof, not speculation, nor could have, maybe, should have, kind of, may haves, suspected, presumed, alleged, assumed, we think, suppositions , hypothesis.
Real proof, you say itís out there. Let me see it. Donít send me off to some University web page that has no proof but a pages of professing a theory. I want to see facts and not theory.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#137587 Nov 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I canít believe you would challenge a established scientific term. No wait, I guess I can believe you would. Whereís your sign?
The term macro and micro evolution have origins that go all the way back to 1927. Neither is a recently created term and both are used in biology today.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/macroe...
mac∑ro∑ev∑o∑lu∑tion
&#8194; &#8194;[mak-roh-ev-uh-loo- shuhn or, especially Brit.,-ee-vuh-] Show IPA
noun Biology . major evolutionary transition from one type of organism to another occurring at the level of the species and higher taxa.
Just because someone makes up a word for something, does not mean that thing exists. Again, provide the mechanism for the boundary and a demonstrable boundary, lest the existence of those terms is meaningless.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#137588 Nov 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, that sucks, and I don't necessarily agree with that - but the fact is, he is a scientist, and as such, he should be able to recognize the difference between a scientific belief and a personal religious belief. If his religious beliefs corrupt his ability to be objective, then maybe he shouldn't be a scientist. He represents NASA, and he makes them look bad by lending credence to psuedoscience. Would you want our scientists to believe the earth was flat?
Tim, thereís more to the story. The California Courts have sided with NASA. NASA claims he was let go because of his performance.

A leading scientist placed in charge over a entire team, who had been with NASA 15 years is fired over performance?

He had obviously had some bitter enemies and the working political work environment worked against him. His views on evolution may have been the antecedent that resulted in his deteriorated interpersonal relationships.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#137589 Nov 14, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
Shit!!!
It's effing cold out here installing this garage door opener!!
LIFE IS AN ILLUSION!!!!
HISTORY IS AN ILLUSION!!
There are no ancient ancestors. There is no evolution.
There is no possible way that my ancestors, mostly north Europeans, could possibly have survived day after day, much less year after year, of freezing cold weather in primitive conditions. Just impossible. No way. Just easier to die than go through that crap.
Life ain't what it appears to be.
You are revealing just how _ussified you have become Daveyboy. Man up soldier , you will march uphill day and night .
But only if you have to.


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