Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Backed by numerous independent lines of verifiable and repeatable evidence.
Something your beliefs,( i.e., YOUR opinions and bullshit) can never do.
You can believe anything you want, but when your beliefs conflict with solid science, you become an intentional liar.
Your supposed god hates liars.
Hope you have a good Nomex suit.
Ya right! evilbible dotcom is backed by verifiable sources???????

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<quoted text>So...Catholics are NOT Christians? Who knew!!!! You asked what harm Christianity had done, I answered it. Sorry if it upsets you. Would you like me to address each of the hundreds of Christian religions separately?
Christians don't go to Catholic churches...

Christians don't follow (or care) what the pope has to say.

Christians don't follow (or care) what the Vatican has to say.

Get your religions straight.

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Who uses atheist websites? I only post links to science articles or news articles reporting on science.
Oh, you mean about the Bible? Like, different interpretations?
Don't be stupid. Lots of atheists post links & quotes from atheist websites.

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I really don't believe it when people make these claims. If you look at low tech societies, quite a few people make it into their late 60's and 70's. Yes, it's a lot less than in our careful, disease free, high food and medically mediated cultures, but in every society you're going to find people who are grandparents.
What changes in low tech societies is the ability to prevent child mortality. Mortality rates increase at all ages, but are most severe prior to age 5 - roughly 50% of children in the absence of modern medicine would die before their 5th birthday. However, if you make it to 10, you're likely to make it to 15. If you make it to 15, you're probably going to reach 25. etc., if you make it to 50, you're likely going to make it to 60.
In fact, the reason we can live so long is because of selection pressure favoring "grandparents." In low tech societies, those families who have grandparents do better than those without. Grandparents can't have kids of their own, but they add to resource collecting and knowledge. In low tech societies, old people know everything and have lived through bounty and scarcity.
When Dave talks of cold weather and claims that his ancestors couldn't live in such temperatures, he's expressing ignorance. He relies on high tech solutions and is basically physically weak. All of us are, who were raised in high tech cultures. In low tech ones, you get adjusted to the weather, have higher pain tolerances, and use different methods of survival.
I can't disagree with your assessment. However, as for myself, I have always hated being cold, especially damp cold. It was painful. I would have died very young in ages past.

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Riverside Redneck, your hostility to the catholic church just highlights your ignorance of history. remember they were the ones that compiled your magic story book :)
I have no hostility towards the Catholic Church.

I read no magic story book.

You have me confused with someone else.

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<quoted text>hiding!...how you been!. long time no speak to. I thought you were supposed to meet me at the Incheon airport for tea during my layover? you dare stand me up:)
That is probably the coolest airport I have ever been in. South Koreans are so nice...they make you want to come back. Anyways my month long asia trip was marvelous. the cuisine with so many cultures is so delicious.
oh yeah...hi the rest of you (cough)'atheists' ROFLMBO. Still see you guys are still in your delusional BANG!..universe..non life...to life..marilyn monroe fantasy <grin>. Hope you all are well.
Boss!!! Long time!

I'm glad you're good - that's great! I bet you enjoyed Korea. Most of the cute girls there are Christian, right? I hope you met some :)

I'm in your country right now and enjoying the food, people, architecture and, most of all, indoor warmth.

anyohaseyo!

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Christians don't go to Catholic churches...
Christians don't follow (or care) what the pope has to say.
Christians don't follow (or care) what the Vatican has to say.
Get your religions straight.
Catholics are Christians. In fact, your version of religion is simply a changed version of theirs.

You can separate yourself from them all you want. That's no problem. I would, if I was a Christian - mainly because of the past. But Luther was a total jerk, too. Racist, sexist to boot. I'd also separate myself from that dirtbag.

While you're at it, you should edit out all the immoral stuff from your Bible. Start a Christian religion that is based solely on the moral teachings of Jesus (but leave out the immoral teachings of Jesus). Separate it utterly from science, use it to build a system of spirituality and personal growth that is positive in believers' lives and the lives of others.

That would be a religion worth believing in. Can you do it?
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See how hateful these fundies are. Not content with hating Free Thinkers, they also hate other christians.

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I can't disagree with your assessment. However, as for myself, I have always hated being cold, especially damp cold. It was painful. I would have died very young in ages past.
Unless you were born some place warm. Hell, maybe you would have been an explorer and left for warmer places.

I'd have died young, too, if it makes you feel any better. But for the grace of modern medicine.

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Don't be stupid. Lots of atheists post links & quotes from atheist websites.
How can evilbible.com exist if the Bible is truly the word of a deity? are deities' words all that corruptible?

That's pretty funny.

I think you just disagree with their interpretation, but they see their website as an expose.

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Catholics are Christians. In fact, your version of religion is simply a changed version of theirs.
Nope. From wiki:

Catholicism is distinguished from other forms of Christianity in its particular understanding and commitment to tradition, the sacraments, the mediation between God, communion, and the See of Rome.

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Nope. From wiki:
Catholicism is distinguished from other forms of Christianity in its particular understanding and commitment to tradition, the sacraments, the mediation between God, communion, and the See of Rome.
Oh, my mistake. I forget that it's acceptable practice to quote-mine wikipedia while ignoring history in the support of your fragile belief system.

Fact:

- From about 100 AD all Christians were Catholic. That changed when Luther nailed his 99 theses on a Catholic church and broke away from the dominant religion

- Luther subtracted 7 books from the Bible that he didn't like

- The Catholics developed most of the theology surrounding Christianity, including the concept of the Holy Trinity

- All Protestant religions, including yours, trace back to Catholicism

If we were to draw a "clade" of Christian religions, yours is a progeny of Catholicism, a derived Catholic religion. Your religion didn't come to exist all by itself, but has a direct lineage straight back to Catholicism - all Christian religions do.

The larger question is: why do you need to ignore history?

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Catholics are Christians. In fact, your version of religion is simply a changed version of theirs.
You can separate yourself from them all you want. That's no problem. I would, if I was a Christian - mainly because of the past. But Luther was a total jerk, too. Racist, sexist to boot. I'd also separate myself from that dirtbag.
While you're at it, you should edit out all the immoral stuff from your Bible. Start a Christian religion that is based solely on the moral teachings of Jesus (but leave out the immoral teachings of Jesus). Separate it utterly from science, use it to build a system of spirituality and personal growth that is positive in believers' lives and the lives of others.
That would be a religion worth believing in. Can you do it?
The Jefferson Bible.

"Jefferson's condensed composition is especially notable for its exclusion of all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages indicating Jesus was divine."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

"In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages, of pure and unsophisticated doctrines" - Thomas Jefferson

I have a version in .doc(I think), or .pdf.

Ar Ar is more than welcome to take a look at it. It's freely available online.

At 46 pages, it's just about right in size, and doesn't strain credulity so much like the NT does. None of that removes the issue of there being little to no proof of the Jesus having been a literal person, and I think Jefferson was operating under that premise, and sought to focus on the message or doctrine contained in the NT(he stated as as such).

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Boss!!! Long time!
I'm glad you're good - that's great! I bet you enjoyed Korea. Most of the cute girls there are Christian, right? I hope you met some :)
I'm in your country right now and enjoying the food, people, architecture and, most of all, indoor warmth.
anyohaseyo!
hello back to you hiding! Yeah the girls there are indeed pretty. But there are pretty women everywhere and in every culture. What was a worthy task to me, is finding that one pretty girl, and dedicate to that one pretty girl for life. I refuse go through what general petraeus is going through right now. my, his nights and bed must be very cold..brrr!!

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How can evilbible.com exist if the Bible is truly the word of a deity? are deities' words all that corruptible?
Free will. That's how.

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Oh, my mistake. I forget that it's acceptable practice to quote-mine wikipedia while ignoring history in the support of your fragile belief system.
Fact:
- From about 100 AD all Christians were Catholic. That changed when Luther nailed his 99 theses on a Catholic church and broke away from the dominant religion
- Luther subtracted 7 books from the Bible that he didn't like
- The Catholics developed most of the theology surrounding Christianity, including the concept of the Holy Trinity
- All Protestant religions, including yours, trace back to Catholicism
If we were to draw a "clade" of Christian religions, yours is a progeny of Catholicism, a derived Catholic religion. Your religion didn't come to exist all by itself, but has a direct lineage straight back to Catholicism - all Christian religions do.
The larger question is: why do you need to ignore history?
I don't ignore history. I know that Christians came from Catholics. But we are very different.

Christians don't do some things that Catholics do:

Attend mass.
Pray to Mary.
Have beads.
Confession to man.
Funny robes.
Priests.
Idolize the Virgin Mary.
Idolize the pope.
Have a pope.
Deny birth control.

Etc etc etc

We're vary different. I'm nothing like a catholic.
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Where is your sect on Evolution? The vatican position is to accept Evolution as a process, which is pretty rational given the incredible amount of evidence we now have.
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I don't ignore history. I know that Christians came from Catholics. But we are very different.
Christians don't do some things that Catholics do:
Attend mass.
Pray to Mary.
Have beads.
Confession to man.
Funny robes.
Priests.
Idolize the Virgin Mary.
Idolize the pope.
Have a pope.
Deny birth control.
Etc etc etc
We're vary different. I'm nothing like a catholic.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't ignore history. I know that Christians came from Catholics. But we are very different.
Christians don't do some things that Catholics do:
Attend mass.
Pray to Mary.
Have beads.
Confession to man.
Funny robes.
Priests.
Idolize the Virgin Mary.
Idolize the pope.
Have a pope.
Deny birth control.
Etc etc etc
We're vary different. I'm nothing like a catholic.
Yes, of course Protestants are different than Catholics! No one is disputing that - and no one is blaming Protestants for the actions of Catholics. Or, no one should. We can still look at the actions of Christianity throughout the ages - well, any religion, really - and draw lessons from it, without casting blame on today's religions. Warning, yes, but not blame.

Catholics are still Christians, though. You don't have a monopolgy on Christianity just because you're Protestant. Catholics just aren't Christians exactly like you. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, for that matter, are Christian sects. Again, not like you are, though they still believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. They just add extra, stupid stuff to the core principles.

Here's a thought experiment: of the two, Shinnyo-en Buddhism and Catholicism, which falls under the umbrella of Christianity?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't ignore history. I know that Christians came from Catholics. But we are very different.
Christians don't do some things that Catholics do:
Attend mass.
Pray to Mary.
Have beads.
Confession to man.
Funny robes.
Priests.
Idolize the Virgin Mary.
Idolize the pope.
Have a pope.
Deny birth control.
Etc etc etc
We're vary different. I'm nothing like a catholic.
BTW, Anglicans do most of the above and are Protestant.

I know, I know...you're also not Anglican.

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Deficit and Debt:

The majority of us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; reelecting Obnoxious President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That defies USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

Enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

This don’t enable Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

Or support free, fair, and affordable commerce; funding schools; balancing every budget; Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children paying Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

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