Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#137344 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>How is prayer a non scientific property? It may involve some non testable things (like god), but assessing whether or not it works is completely within the bounds of science. "Prayer works" is a positive claim, and it is testable. It has failed many tests.
And you can believe that all you want, but the evidence says that prayer doesn't work; also, you should realize that your strong belief means about as much to a skeptic as someone strongly believing in ms. cleo.
And how am I being pointless? I don't plan on changing your mind, but you can't expect to make claims that are substantiated only by your strong belief and not expect to get called out. Prayer doesn't work, as far as we know, and it is easy to explain why people believe so strongly in it without invoking the actions of some unknown deity.
Prayer does work, as far as I know.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137345 Nov 13, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So then why do you deny scientific data that was used to discover evolution?
I don't. I deny the opinionated "facts" regarding what we call ToE.

The theory concerning the evolution of man is under increased scrutiny due to the persistence of gaps in the fossil record, the inability to demonstrate "life-or-death" determining advantageous genetic mutations, and the lack of experiments or observations to truly confirm the evidence for speciation. Overall, the evolution of man pervades as the accepted paradigm on the origin of man within the scientific community. This is not because it has been proven scientifically, but because alternative viewpoints bring with them metaphysical implications which go against the modern naturalistic paradigm. Nevertheless, a closer examination of the evidence reveals evolution to be increasingly less scientific and more reliant upon beliefs, not proof.

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#137346 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I just read through that - I believe the relevant exchange takes place at the very beginning - hiding was talking about her microwave interfering with her wireless signal, and then you told her that she "ought to see what they have done to your brain," and that her "epigenomes (sic) are in serious straights." You implied that simply being in the presence of these devices was affecting her brain and her genome.
She said EM has no effect on epigenomes. I provided an example where it does. It can be very fast with the high intensity stuff, and it can also occur from frequent exposure to lower power.

Why do you think there is all the fuss about cell phones and their towers, high tension lines, and other sources of EM transmissions?

Under the right circumstances it can knock a needed molecule in a genome out of whack.

That is one of the reasons mutations occur.

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#137347 Nov 13, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Whether or not something is visual depends on us, the viewers, not on the object in question.
There are better ways of describing the characteristics of objects that say nothing of the viewer's perspective.
There are probably objects that humans can't see, that really do exist. They may even reflect light. We wouldn't call those things visible. We would call them invisible. We might be able to detect them with a camera, perhaps, but not with our eyes. They would be visible to the camera, but still invisible to us.
People who have visual hallucinations see things that don't really exist. These hallucinations are visible to them, but invisible to anyone else. The visible/invisible label doesn't necessarily say anything about the object.
I see. Right now I am invisible to you, even though I am cleat visible.

I was using the "invisible" in an elementary manner.

I withdraw.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137348 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It is not bigoted to point out racism/sexism/homophobia being present in a religion's teachings. Religion is not sacred and free from criticism. Ugly, backwards beliefs should be called out and extinguished. Your bible teaches many ugly, backwards things, and these beliefs need to be snuffed out. Just to be clear, I am not saying that christianity should be snuffed out, just the many repugnant things that it teaches - I feel the need to state this clearly so that I don't reactivate your delusions of persecution.
You're missing his point. He's saying that bigotry, racism, etc is not expressed in the Bible. What people *do* is not relevant to what the Bible actually says & teaches.

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#137349 Nov 13, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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.... You're really confused.
How so?

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#137350 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Prayer does work, as far as I know.
Voodoo works, as far as I know.

Sounds kinda dumb, doesn't it?

It's fine that you think it works, but understand that your belief has no basis in reality.

“Ditat Deus”

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#137351 Nov 13, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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.... You're really confused.
It's spelled "confoosed".....

Geesh

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#137352 Nov 13, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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She said EM has no effect on epigenomes. I provided an example where it does. It can be very fast with the high intensity stuff, and it can also occur from frequent exposure to lower power.
Why do you think there is all the fuss about cell phones and their towers, high tension lines, and other sources of EM transmissions?
Under the right circumstances it can knock a needed molecule in a genome out of whack.
That is one of the reasons mutations occur.
As far as I know "all the fuss" has been blown out of proportion a little bit. Either way, you're being kind of ridiculous. It was clear from the context of the conversation that she meant microwaves don't affect your epigenome during regular use; obviously your epigenome is affected if you cook it. It would be like if I claimed that being around aluminum can affect your epigenome because you might get run over by an aluminum car.

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#137353 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're missing his point. He's saying that bigotry, racism, etc is not expressed in the Bible. What people *do* is not relevant to what the Bible actually says & teaches.
Those things totally are expressed in the bible, what book are you reading?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#137354 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How so?
The only way you can reconcile your mythical deity belief and the reality of evolution is to blend the two.

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#137355 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't. I deny the opinionated "facts" regarding what we call ToE.
The theory concerning the evolution of man is under increased scrutiny due to the persistence of gaps in the fossil record, the inability to demonstrate "life-or-death" determining advantageous genetic mutations, and the lack of experiments or observations to truly confirm the evidence for speciation. Overall, the evolution of man pervades as the accepted paradigm on the origin of man within the scientific community. This is not because it has been proven scientifically, but because alternative viewpoints bring with them metaphysical implications which go against the modern naturalistic paradigm. Nevertheless, a closer examination of the evidence reveals evolution to be increasingly less scientific and more reliant upon beliefs, not proof.
http://www.allaboutscience.org /evolution-of-man.htm

You shouldn't get your talking points from badly disguised apologist websites. " Allaboutscience.org " LOL

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137356 Nov 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I donít operate in non Christian realms. But I do believe there have been miracles in non Christian environments. I attribute these miracles to the dark side.
Wow. It is stunning how indoctrinated you are into dehumanizing others.

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#137357 Nov 13, 2012
Actually, that little nugget of wisdom is all over the internet, so I don't know exactly where you got it, but still - apologist sites are bad, mkay?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137358 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, we can cook it. Dave delivered a knockout blow to your credibility with that one.
hahaha

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#137359 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I see. Right now I am invisible to you, even though I am cleat visible.
I was using the "invisible" in an elementary manner.
I withdraw.
Say it like Rooster.

"I bow out!"

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137360 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Lol. "Gets boys not laid"? Boys can't handle alcohol.
Why are you hunting boys any not men?
'cause men have grey chest hair and need to squint

hee, hee, hee

:-p

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#137361 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Abso-friggin-lutely!! Very well said.
I will go on to add that even though God seems supernatural, He's a very natural being. After all, He designed nature...
Nah. It was Osiris.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#137363 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, DNA was non-existent in their minds but it wasn't non-existent. It was invisible to their eyes but it was never invisible.
I think as we progress in the next few hundred years, God will become more & more less "invisible" and "non-existent".
True about DNA, opposite of what has been going on with God.

First, we lived in an Earth centered universe, with the sun orbiting us,'cause "God" designed the universe around us. Next we get a heliocentric universe,'cause the Earth centered model was silly. Finally we acknowledge nothing of the sort. Then we lost our status as specially Created, having evolved just like any other animal. The Bible turns out to not be literally true; Genesis is so incorrect as to be ridiculous. The Flood is a crazy fair tale. Then our psyche is deconstructed; it turns out our minds rest solely in our brains and that dualism cannot be supported by the evidence we have.

Kicking and screaming, the church altered their positions. One by one, Christianity's monopoly over describing the universe around us falls apart. It now no longer contributes, is utterly voiceless, in the production of new knowledge and technology about the world. Science has forever wrested that from religion.

We're not describing a Created world. We've thrown open the curtains on that, cast light on the illusion, shredded it, my dear Riverside. History shows that your God is running out of room, losing His safety net as our primitive ignorance is replaced with evidence based knowledge.

Your God, like all those before Him, is a fiction, a fantasy. He doesn't exist and with growing education "poof!" bye-bye bronze age beliefs. We consign you to history, God.

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Since: Oct 10

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#137364 Nov 13, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>Tells give other gamblers an extra edge. Little quirks in writing styles do the same.
.. reading between the lines is half the Topix fun, and, if you're a writer, outlandish or oddball character development is simplified ..

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