Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#130110 Oct 16, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Unreal! I'd love to hear you play.
I played for a couple months in Venice Beach last year for "donations".

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130111 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I've been playing since I was old enough to hold it by myself.


Real violin playing.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130112 Oct 16, 2012
&fe ature=fvwrel

More real violin playing.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#130113 Oct 16, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =AVgY92Csd60XX
Real violin playing.
I like it Dave. I like every instrument on the stage except for that stupid banjo. I tried it and tried it and tried it and the only thing I could think to do with it was hit somebody in the head with it. So I did. I think that was my third stint in the "special house".

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130114 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I like it Dave. I like every instrument on the stage except for that stupid banjo. I tried it and tried it and tried it and the only thing I could think to do with it was hit somebody in the head with it. So I did. I think that was my third stint in the "special house".
:-)

I've tried a few different instruments. The cat and everyone else hid out when I picked them up.

The banjo is one of the easiest to pick out a tune on. Wide variety of styles on it. It's a natural.

I liked the mandolin the best.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#130115 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I've been playing since I was old enough to hold it by myself.
Me too.

Oh....I meant....nevermind.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130116 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I played for a couple months in Venice Beach last year for "donations".
Have you ever been to New Orleans?

I lived there for a few years and there is no other place like it. The cost of living isn't cheap there, but it is amazing how you can survive on so little, especially if you are just hanging out. It has its issues, but one of the neatest collections of people around. A good place to get your head together. Very mellow. Saved my ass.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#130117 Oct 16, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>rubbish
So you clearly cannot refute my points, I see.

Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>"Everyone's DNA takes them back to a person..." Yes, but what of before this? Our DNA is almost the same as apes, thus it stands to reason we are related.
Our DNA is closer to apes than any other species. This is evidence. Proof is in the eye of the beholder.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130118 Oct 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Once you specify operationally what a god is, the hypothesis that there is no god is scientific, since it is falsifiable by producing a god.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Your Atheism takes sides. Science is neutral. That is the difference.
The main difference between atheism and science is that one is the result of applying rational skepticism - the requirement for evidence - to theological matters, and the other is the result of applying the same requirements to the study of nature.

The third musketeer is secular humanism, which arises from the application of these same principles to ethics and daily life.

Did I mention that once you specify operationally what a god is, the hypothesis that there is no god is scientific, since it is falsifiable by producing a god?
lightbeamrider wrote:
You should not be allowed to justify your anti theism by wrapping it in Science.
What science tells me is that the Christian bible is mythology, and therefore, that the religion arising from it is false. That makes it safe to ignore it.

The justifications for my atheism and antitheism are different, and have nothing to do with science. I just gave you the justification for atheism: rational skepticism.

My justification for the latter arises from familiarity with the Christian church, and with the damage it does to both individuals and to society collectively. My ethics tell me that that is wrong, and that it should be vigorously resisted.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130119 Oct 16, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
Do you believe that your god has the power to end starvation? Yes or No?
lightbeamrider wrote:
That power is delegated to us. Starvation is our problem.
You evaded the question, since you know that both answers - yes and no - are embarrassing.

Your god really couldn't be any more useless or indifferent to humanity, could it? As I mentioned to another Christian poster on this thread yesterday, you have settled for too little - too small a god. It won't protect your children from leukemia, starvation, or hurricanes. How useless does a god have to be before you won't worship it any more - before you will dare question its existence?

“Humanity's first sin was faith. The first virtue was doubt.”- Mike Huben

BTW, if starvation is our problem, then so is population control.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130120 Oct 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
The main difference between atheism and science is that one is the result of applying rational skepticism - the requirement for evidence - to theological matters, and the other is the result of applying the same requirements to the study of nature.
The third musketeer is secular humanism, which arises from the application of these same principles to ethics and daily life.
Did I mention that once you specify operationally what a god is, the hypothesis that there is no god is scientific, since it is falsifiable by producing a god?
<quoted text>
What science tells me is that the Christian bible is mythology, and therefore, that the religion arising from it is false. That makes it safe to ignore it.
The justifications for my atheism and antitheism are different, and have nothing to do with science. I just gave you the justification for atheism: rational skepticism.
My justification for the latter arises from familiarity with the Christian church, and with the damage it does to both individuals and to society collectively. My ethics tell me that that is wrong, and that it should be vigorously resisted.
I remember an alleged doctor posting on these pages telling a story about the rural folk in SE Missouri. He took over as the admin of a medical center, and one of his employees was a young woman with an accent from the area that she grew up with, amongst her own people. This alleged doctor related how he MADE her stand there for some time, which surely humiliated her in front of her peers, until she pronounced "rural" to his satisfaction, and not the way she and everyone else knew she pronounced it, which was something like "rule".

This alleged doctor allegedly grew up into some sort of moralist that could even judge gods and those that worship them.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130121 Oct 16, 2012
Gate Keeper wrote:
Atheism has killed over 200 million people in the last 90 years alone, exceeding all the Holy Wars combined.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Those people died because of religions like Christianity, Stalinism, Islam and Maoism. Worship is always a mistake.

Secular humanists have repudiated all such ideologies of violence, religions of despair, and cults of personality worship. Whereas Stalin, Jehovah, Hitler and Mao all advocated genocide, humanists deplore such violence.
lightbeamrider wrote:
So now you connect Stalinism and Maoism to religion. How convenient for you.
Yes, I do. Such ideologies of violence are predicated on blind faith, personality worship, fear, and obedience.

You're not telling me that you don't like to be grouped with the likes of Mao and Stalin, are you?

And you're surely not telling me that Stalinism and Maoism aren't religions, are you? If not, why not?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130122 Oct 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Ignoring the fact your anti theism is the same as [Stalin's and Mao's] anti theism.
Not at all. Mine is nonviolent and socially constructive.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Reading your posts there is not a dime's worth of difference since you engage in hate speech, ridicule, distortion all the time here. Above is an example of propaganda.
I don't engage in hate speech. Hate speech is dehumanizing and marginalizing speech directed at classes of people like gays and atheists, intended to oppress them, and which makes their lives more difficult and dangerous.

Hate speech provokes violence against its target, as when you call atheists us vile, abominations, forsaken by god, the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers, worthy of eternal torment, unpatriotic, without morals, and unfit to serve in elective office, as coaches, jurors, witnesses, teachers, and adoptive parents. People want to harm other people thusly characterized.

My criticism is of a failed ideology, and ridicule is appropriate. It provokes no retaliation against you.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130123 Oct 16, 2012
Serah wrote:
I [Francis Collins] am a scientist and a [Christian] believer, and I find no conflict between those world views.
I do.
Serah wrote:
As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.
He admitted too much here. It's not truth if you have to believe by faith first to see it. If it were the truth, it would convert unbelievers.
Serah wrote:
But reason alone cannot prove the existence of God.
If "God" means Jehovah-Jesus, then reason alone can rule it out. The god described in Genesis clearly never existed.
Serah wrote:
Faith is reason plus revelation
No. Faith is unrelated to reason. It is a guess which one has arbitrarily chosen to give fervent assent to, not only without evidence, but despite it.
Serah wrote:
and the revelation part requires one to think with the spirit as well as with the mind. You have to hear the music, not just read the notes on the page. Ultimately, a leap of faith is required.
That should raise a red flag.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130124 Oct 16, 2012
From http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... :
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You don't seem to know what creationism is. It's in your bible, and it doesn't include evolution.
Serah wrote:
How do you know what animals were around at the beginning of the Bible?
What?
Serah wrote:
Evolution is adapting to the changes, extinction is failure to adapt IMO
I know what evolution is. Why tell me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130125 Oct 16, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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May Popeye have mercy on our souls.
I think Popeye may have been a pothead. From "What's In Popeye's Pipe? The world's most famous sailor-man may be tooting more than just spinach in his pipe" at http://www.alternet.org/story/21206/what%27s_... :

"During the 1920s and '30s, the era when Popeye was created, "spinach" was a very common code word for marijuana. One classic example is "The Spinach Song," recorded in 1938 by the popular jazz band Julia Lee and Her Boyfriends. Performed for years in clubs thick with cannabis smoke, along with other Julia Lee hits like "Sweet Marijuana," the popular song used spinach as an obvious metaphor for pot.

"In addition, anti-marijuana propaganda of the time claimed that marijuana use induced super-strength. Overblown media reports proclaimed that pot smokers became extraordinarily strong, and even immune to bullets. So tying in Popeye's mighty strength with his sucking back some spinach would have seemed like an obvious cannabis connection at the time."

Ack ack ack ack ack!!!

Here's Julia Lee doing "The Spinach Song"

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#130126 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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You know it really only matters to scientists and theists. For all I know, it's only 19 1/2 years old. The only thing I heard in the last hour was the sound that came from my violin. When I play, the universe stands still as far as I know.
Nunc fluens facit tempus, nunc stans facit aeternitatum

(The now that passes produces time, the now that remains produces eternity.)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130127 Oct 16, 2012
scaritual wrote:
Don't forget the running around naked part.
As far as the naked eye can see.

How about twins with pony tails?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4xTxyu43Bus/TPOFOfz...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130128 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
I've been playing since I was old enough to hold it by myself.
Me, too.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130129 Oct 16, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
Me too. Oh....I meant....nevermind.
Dammit.

I hate playing second fiddle.

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