Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130101 Oct 16, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
You totally ignore the fact that many deistic and theistic scientists look upon science, and the scientific method, as a way to see how higher forms assembled this existence.
Irrelevant. They learned that science from secular sources that contradict their bible. Science just keeps compacting the Christian god into ever narrowing gaps.

Such theistic evolutionists and other old earth creationists are the missing links - the transitional forms - between the biblical worldview, and that of humanism and secular science.

This last gasp effort is way too little way too late. Such a strategy might have been effective had you deployed it a few centuries ago.

But not now. The church has irrevocably cast itself in the role of the science's inquisitor, as we see all over these Topix threads. The antiscience minions are out in full force, with an echo chamber piping out new antiscientific memes developed in think tanks like the Discovery Institute, and arriving at various web sites for consumption by willing vectors for it almost weekly. This will keep the church entrenched in its losing role until it self-destructs and is no longer audible.

Did you hear about Higgs boson being discovered. Jehovah-Jesus never made a prophecy of that quality ... ever. Every victory for science is another defeat for Jesus.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130102 Oct 16, 2012
ust Results wrote:
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I agree. He lost me quick with his boring atheistic bullshit.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Dave is actually a theist. Sort of in your camp, but not stupid enough to embrace a 6000 year old earth.
They don't know me very well, do they?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130103 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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You know it really only matters to scientists and theists. For all I know, it's only 19 1/2 years old. The only thing I heard in the last hour was the sound that came from my violin. When I play, the universe stands still as far as I know.
Do you mean the cat runs and hides, along with everyone else?

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#130104 Oct 16, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Do you mean the cat runs and hides, along with everyone else?
Hey, the cat came back, and look what it dragged in.

Off to the gym.

It attracts me like a magnet.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#130105 Oct 16, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
They don't know me very well, do they?
I don't think Just Results thinks you're in his camp. I would guess he believes you're going to burn beside me.

Wow, he's going to be upset when he finds out he's serving us in Valhalla forever, hey!

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#130106 Oct 16, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Do you mean the cat runs and hides, along with everyone else?
I don't use gut and I don't use rosin that comes from live trees.

It's nice to see you too, Dave.

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#130107 Oct 16, 2012
I think Dave and this guy would have a total bromance.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cave-man...

The cave dweller defended his right to live in the cave and disputed the claims by locals.

"As you can see from the water on the floor over there, that's where I just bathed," the man said, declining to give his name.

More from KVIA-TV's report:


He said the snakes in the tin nearby were for the animals in the mountain and not his own food.

"From the dumpster buffets and the fast food joints," he said of how he gets his food. "I'm a plasma donor. I'm not dying of anything, I'm drug-free and disease-free. God has blessed me with very good health."

The man said he's not hurting anyone and lives off donations and recycling cans.

"What is my crime? You ask my good neighbors, most of them help me," he said before dismissing those who complain about him as busybodies. "I'm sin-free in every city. I'm baptized and saved. They need to worry about their own selves, to repent and help the community more."

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#130108 Oct 16, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Wow! Nice. How long have you been playing?
I have a violin and I'm supposed to be playing. The poor violin, it's never been so violated :(
I've been playing since I was old enough to hold it by myself.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#130109 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I've been playing since I was old enough to hold it by myself.
Unreal! I'd love to hear you play.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#130110 Oct 16, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Unreal! I'd love to hear you play.
I played for a couple months in Venice Beach last year for "donations".

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130111 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I've been playing since I was old enough to hold it by myself.


Real violin playing.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130112 Oct 16, 2012
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More real violin playing.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#130113 Oct 16, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =AVgY92Csd60XX
Real violin playing.
I like it Dave. I like every instrument on the stage except for that stupid banjo. I tried it and tried it and tried it and the only thing I could think to do with it was hit somebody in the head with it. So I did. I think that was my third stint in the "special house".

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130114 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I like it Dave. I like every instrument on the stage except for that stupid banjo. I tried it and tried it and tried it and the only thing I could think to do with it was hit somebody in the head with it. So I did. I think that was my third stint in the "special house".
:-)

I've tried a few different instruments. The cat and everyone else hid out when I picked them up.

The banjo is one of the easiest to pick out a tune on. Wide variety of styles on it. It's a natural.

I liked the mandolin the best.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#130115 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I've been playing since I was old enough to hold it by myself.
Me too.

Oh....I meant....nevermind.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130116 Oct 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I played for a couple months in Venice Beach last year for "donations".
Have you ever been to New Orleans?

I lived there for a few years and there is no other place like it. The cost of living isn't cheap there, but it is amazing how you can survive on so little, especially if you are just hanging out. It has its issues, but one of the neatest collections of people around. A good place to get your head together. Very mellow. Saved my ass.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#130117 Oct 16, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>rubbish
So you clearly cannot refute my points, I see.

Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>"Everyone's DNA takes them back to a person..." Yes, but what of before this? Our DNA is almost the same as apes, thus it stands to reason we are related.
Our DNA is closer to apes than any other species. This is evidence. Proof is in the eye of the beholder.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130118 Oct 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Once you specify operationally what a god is, the hypothesis that there is no god is scientific, since it is falsifiable by producing a god.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Your Atheism takes sides. Science is neutral. That is the difference.
The main difference between atheism and science is that one is the result of applying rational skepticism - the requirement for evidence - to theological matters, and the other is the result of applying the same requirements to the study of nature.

The third musketeer is secular humanism, which arises from the application of these same principles to ethics and daily life.

Did I mention that once you specify operationally what a god is, the hypothesis that there is no god is scientific, since it is falsifiable by producing a god?
lightbeamrider wrote:
You should not be allowed to justify your anti theism by wrapping it in Science.
What science tells me is that the Christian bible is mythology, and therefore, that the religion arising from it is false. That makes it safe to ignore it.

The justifications for my atheism and antitheism are different, and have nothing to do with science. I just gave you the justification for atheism: rational skepticism.

My justification for the latter arises from familiarity with the Christian church, and with the damage it does to both individuals and to society collectively. My ethics tell me that that is wrong, and that it should be vigorously resisted.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#130119 Oct 16, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
Do you believe that your god has the power to end starvation? Yes or No?
lightbeamrider wrote:
That power is delegated to us. Starvation is our problem.
You evaded the question, since you know that both answers - yes and no - are embarrassing.

Your god really couldn't be any more useless or indifferent to humanity, could it? As I mentioned to another Christian poster on this thread yesterday, you have settled for too little - too small a god. It won't protect your children from leukemia, starvation, or hurricanes. How useless does a god have to be before you won't worship it any more - before you will dare question its existence?

“Humanity's first sin was faith. The first virtue was doubt.”- Mike Huben

BTW, if starvation is our problem, then so is population control.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#130120 Oct 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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<quoted text>
The main difference between atheism and science is that one is the result of applying rational skepticism - the requirement for evidence - to theological matters, and the other is the result of applying the same requirements to the study of nature.
The third musketeer is secular humanism, which arises from the application of these same principles to ethics and daily life.
Did I mention that once you specify operationally what a god is, the hypothesis that there is no god is scientific, since it is falsifiable by producing a god?
<quoted text>
What science tells me is that the Christian bible is mythology, and therefore, that the religion arising from it is false. That makes it safe to ignore it.
The justifications for my atheism and antitheism are different, and have nothing to do with science. I just gave you the justification for atheism: rational skepticism.
My justification for the latter arises from familiarity with the Christian church, and with the damage it does to both individuals and to society collectively. My ethics tell me that that is wrong, and that it should be vigorously resisted.
I remember an alleged doctor posting on these pages telling a story about the rural folk in SE Missouri. He took over as the admin of a medical center, and one of his employees was a young woman with an accent from the area that she grew up with, amongst her own people. This alleged doctor related how he MADE her stand there for some time, which surely humiliated her in front of her peers, until she pronounced "rural" to his satisfaction, and not the way she and everyone else knew she pronounced it, which was something like "rule".

This alleged doctor allegedly grew up into some sort of moralist that could even judge gods and those that worship them.

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