Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: May 09

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#130061 Oct 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Your Atheism takes sides. Science is neutral. That is the difference. You should not be allowed to justify your anti theism by wrapping it in Science.
You seem to have no problem wrapping your pro-theism in scientific ignorance.

What's up with that?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#130062 Oct 16, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
No threat to any but the enemy, sorry Christine dear..
It's hard for the warrior to escape warrior mentality.
Just let it go... we agree there is two to make a fight,
but I will not fight with you, for you are not my enemy :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cFnpCVyTJXQXX
Pax

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Since: May 09

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#130063 Oct 16, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I was an atheist long before you were even born.
You are still raging against the machine. Your emotions blind you to seeing it in its totality. So you have grabbed onto something to create your own view. You just found another religion in furtherance of your passion. Such is evinced by your black and white views expectorated about religion, particularly that immature one about it stifling science. You totally ignore the fact that many deistic and theistic scientists look upon science, and the scientific method, as a way to see how higher forms assembled this existence. A back engineering to find God. Outside of organized religion. No, you have to paint them ALL evil.
YOUR science is stifled by your emotion.
You are too damned young to be as wise as you like to think.
You're too old to be as relevant as you think.

EMBRACE THE MAGNET, DAVE!

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Since: May 09

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#130064 Oct 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Your worldview will be shattered. It is just a question of when. Every knee bows.
There it is.

The #1 motivator for Christian belief.

At some point, just about every Christian alludes to it.

You think of your heaven and you think of your hell when you think of death, or your deity.

I truly feel sorry for you because you obviously live in such a state of fear and conflict, that you feel the need to mention it so often.

What a shame.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#130065 Oct 16, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to prove your god before you attempt to talk science. This is cowardly and dishonest behaviour from a Creationist with no evidence that your hallucinations and mental illness have any effect on e real world.
If you want atheists to believe in your ridiculous nonsense you call a faith, you need to up your game and stop lying about science to people who are miles smarter than you, because it makes you look really, really f*cking atupid.
And you are a real charmer, swearing really is an intelligent way of handling oneself, congratulations :)

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#130066 Oct 16, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
There it is.
The #1 motivator for Christian belief.
At some point, just about every Christian alludes to it.
You think of your heaven and you think of your hell when you think of death, or your deity.
I truly feel sorry for you because you obviously live in such a state of fear and conflict, that you feel the need to mention it so often.
What a shame.
But if it wasn't for God, the reward of Heaven and the fear of Hell then everyone would be a lying, thieving, murdering rapist.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#130067 Oct 16, 2012
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
<quoted text>
<sigh>
Darwin stated we came from a "common ancestor". He never claimed we descended from apes. Or chimps.
"The remarkable similarity among the genomes of
humans and the African great apes could warrant
their classification together as a single genus."
http://cmm.ucsd.edu/varki/varkilab/Publicatio...
And there are, of course differences, too.
***I am a scientist and a believer, and I find no conflict between those world views.

As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.

But reason alone cannot prove the existence of God. Faith is reason plus revelation, and the revelation part requires one to think with the spirit as well as with the mind. You have to hear the music, not just read the notes on the page. Ultimately, a leap of faith is required.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-04-03/us/collins...

***Collins, a pioneering medical geneticist who once headed the Human Genome Project, adapts his title from President Clinton's remarks announcing completion of the first phase of the project in 2000: "Today we are learning the language in which God created life." Collins explains that as a Christian believer, "the experience of sequencing the human genome, and uncovering this most remarkable of all texts, was both a stunning scientific achievement and an occasion of worship." This marvelous book combines a personal account of Collins's faith and experiences as a genetics researcher with discussions of more general topics of science and spirituality, especially centering around evolution.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Language-God-Scient...

*****

They are copied and pasted from Francis Collins and the links are there. He is the man as far as I am concerned, and has the wisdom to understand the complexity of life on earth..... others are happy to think that a big bang worked it all out and scattered organisms or some such everywhere and all that some such got together, created reproductive organs, and hey, presto, earth is populated with people, animals, birds, insects, sea creatures of all kinds, food growing plants, food growing trees and the list goes on.

You laugh at believers, and let me assure you, believers laugh at your ideas too :)

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Since: Jul 07

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#130068 Oct 16, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>"Everyone's DNA takes them back to a person..." Yes, but what of before this? Our DNA is almost the same as apes, thus it stands to reason we are related.
Our DNA is closer to apes than any other species. This is evidence. Proof is in the eye of the beholder.
rubbish

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Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#130069 Oct 16, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>And you are a real charmer, swearing really is an intelligent way of handling oneself, congratulations :)
What he said was true.

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#130070 Oct 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You don't seem to know what creationism is. It's in your bible, and it doesn't include evolution.
How do you know what animals were around at the beginning of the Bible? Evolution is adapting to the changes, extinction is failure to adapt IMO

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#130071 Oct 16, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
What he said was true.
Of course you would agree ~ I just posted more info from Francis Collins but you would have already read what he has had to say because you have seen it all before!! Glad you condone swearing.... it suits your style

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#130072 Oct 16, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
No worries, I figured that we were done.
<quoted text>
You don't have to tell me that! Your rights stop, where mine begin. Simple. You have the right to be heard and I have the right not to listen. I do not have the right to harm anyone because I heard you.
<quoted text>
Name one time that I wanted to suppress anyone's freedom of speech!
Name one time that I wanted to suppress anyone's freedom of religion!
I said that they do not have the right to suppress my rights or to harm anyone because their feelings were hurt. Nothing more.
My rights don’t stop anywhere, and just because you want them to stop is not my problem.

This is true but harming people is nothing to do with freedom of speech, it is usually caused by emotional abnormality or lack of self control, both are highly prevalent in rampant nationalism and the fundamentally religious. Ask Anders Behring Breivik if he had the right to kill 69 people and I am sure his answer will be yes. Ask Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic if they had the right to order genocide and what do you think the answer will be?

You have the right not to like that a 14 year old girl was shot for exercising her freedom. I assume, all civilised people feel the same way. That does not change the fundamental precept of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. You can’t limit it to what you want or to those you like or your country. Nor does it mitigate the responsibility you must exercise to nurture that freedom. The people I mentioned above have either already been tried or are in the process of being tried for excising what they considered their freedom to do what the f*ck they wanted. They are responsible to themselves, to those they hurt and humanity in general for exercising their freedom. All of which is something I have the freedom to say and am responsible for saying.

Well how about just above where you tell my that my rights stop where yours begin.

How about your contempt for the Muslim faith? You deliberate confusion of Islam and terrorism?

And back to square one, you don’t have the right to suppress anyone else’s rights.

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#130073 Oct 16, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>But if it wasn't for God, the reward of Heaven and the fear of Hell then everyone would be a lying, thieving, murdering rapist.
May Popeye have mercy on our souls.

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treat you they get offended.

#130074 Oct 16, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh my...
He said "If there was a god..."
You've determined that word, "if" to be a noun?
There are 2 choices, either a conjunction or a noun

The sentence was structured with the if as a noun however you are welcome to interpret it in any way you feel best suites the colour of you underwear

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#130075 Oct 16, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh my...
He said "If there was a god..."
You've determined that word, "if" to be a noun?
Of course the guys rampant and outspoken christianity may also have some bearing of how he structured his comment

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#130076 Oct 16, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
May Popeye have mercy on our souls.
And give all the lil chilens some spinach.

Popeye loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red, brown, yellow
Black and white
They are precious in His sight.
Popeye loves the little children
Of the world.

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#130077 Oct 16, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>But if it wasn't for God, the reward of Heaven and the fear of Hell then everyone would be a lying, thieving, murdering rapist.
Don't forget the running around naked part.

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Since: Nov 10

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#130078 Oct 16, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>rubbish
Not rubbish and evolutionary science verifies this

Why do you rubbish a post without explanation, sounds to be like you don’t actually have a response but do have emotion.

Please feel free to explain which animal DNA most closely resembles human DNA

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#130079 Oct 16, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Of course you would agree ~ I just posted more info from Francis Collins but you would have already read what he has had to say because you have seen it all before!! Glad you condone swearing.... it suits your style
As far as I can see you condone lying.

Personally I find lying more abhorrent that swearing although I suppose it depends how you were raised as a child. If you are used to lying as a way of life then perhaps you have an excuse.

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#130080 Oct 16, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know what animals were around at the beginning of the Bible? Evolution is adapting to the changes, extinction is failure to adapt IMO
Only 6000 years ago (this month), no problem. Just go to some archaeological dig excavating that period and voila, bones, teeth, partial and complete skeletons etc. Closer to the coast you will also find shells.

Although in some animals evolutional change can be seen in action (and is being studied), the majority have found their niche with little environmental pressure to push evolutionary change.

The same applies to humans, little change over the last 8 or 9 thousand years but further back in time cro magnon man (before the babble book) had a denser bone structure and larger skull,(indicating larger brain). That did not make them any less homo sapiens, just as you and every other human on this rock.

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