Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#129878 Oct 15, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I don't want too see the city! I want to meet the man who claimed that I was afraid of him! LOL!
Not a problem, come on down. Bring your wheelchair.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129879 Oct 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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If God is outside of nature, then science can neither prove nor disprove his existence. Atheism itself must therefore be considered a form of blind faith, in that it adopts a belief system that cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.(Collins, 2006, p.165)
Interesting.....
Anything that can affect us is part of nature, including the multiverse. Nothing causally connected to us is anything but natural. If gods exist, they are a part of nature. The supernatural, the preternatural, the infranatural, the transnatural, the juxtanatural, the quasinatural, the hypernatural, the micronatural and the extranatural all have equal ontological status.

Atheism is the result of refusing to take a leap of blind faith.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#129880 Oct 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Muy bien. And in your hemisphere?
Veza bien, gracias amigo

Getting ready for summer and my green fingers started coming out again. Worked like a madman yesterday in my humble little garden.

Looks like civilised people stay at my house again!! I am so proud

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#129881 Oct 15, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
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Boy are you going to be in for a surprise most of us here have Bsc and Phds in Biology, Math and Physics.
I didn't realize a goat could get a PhD. Eating the books don't count as reading the books.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#129882 Oct 15, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
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All that shows is that todays god is tomorrows myth.
Cynicism doesn’t add anything to your argument.

God is real and your insignificance can’t change that fact.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#129883 Oct 15, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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I didn't realize a goat could get a PhD. Eating the books don't count as reading the books.
Ah here you are...

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#129884 Oct 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Who is John Galt?(shrugs)
.. Dagny Taggart ??..

<< Shrug >>

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#129885 Oct 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Charles Darwin had the same name as Darwin Stevens on Bewitched, who worked for Larry Tate, who had the same last name as Manson victim Sharon Tate, who was Married to Roman Polanski, who directed Kevin Bacon in "Stir of Echoes / The Ninth Gate"
I think that was Darrin Stevens.

So much for your veracity as a source of information.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129886 Oct 15, 2012
Loren Eberly wrote:
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.
That sounds like a pretty bad deal.

The smart ones won't accept those terms. Like their rugged immigrant ancestors who came to America a century or so earlier for the greater opportunities available then, the boldest of those generations will go abroad to make their lives wherever those opportunities can be found then.

And you can't blame them. They didn't run the debt up or the country down. The basic dues for being an American citizen - the part of your taxes that you pay for nothing back, before you help buy one blackboard or traffic light - is pretty high. If America can't give them a fertile working environment in exchange for the high price of the ticket to play, they have incentive to emigrate.

Where once, America drained the talent of other nations that offered less opportunity than it, now its at risk of not only no longer attracting that talent, but maybe of losing much of its own native talent.

Yes, it's depressing.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#129887 Oct 15, 2012
English isn't your first language is it? Some of those aren't even real words.

Btw I unlike you have read the bible several times. I am well versed in the apologetic arguments regarding the iron chariots. Ahem. God stopped at the iron chariots because the Hebrews sinned right? That's what you were thinking yes?

Huge problem though. See the passage doesn't mention God not helping because they sinned not does it even say they sinned. It says he couldn't help them in the valley because the enemy had iron chariots, not because they sinned, not because one ate some shrimp, not because a soldier didn't say Oy Vey at the right moment just iron chariots. But wait it gets worse using that apologetic argument because if they sinned what was the point of helping them in the mountains?

See when you weave your apologetic lies and wild speculation you find yourself making excuses for God. If God was unable to express the iron chariots thing properly relying on others to clean up his mess, then he certainly isn't worth worshipping even if he existed.
preterism wrote:
<quoted text> So you expect God to write down every single thing he does when he can't even get you to read what little he does write about. Do you know he raised the dead, and your whinning about him not putting down replacing an amputees arm The iron chariots you talk about is so easy to comprehend so it would be an insult to you if I explained it to you. Listen man just study and you'll find out all about the iron chariots and what he's trying to explain to you about this in the correct perspective, you can do it if you'll just study snd when you get the right sndwer you and I will be proud of your accomplishment.

“Ask me who I am and I”

Since: Sep 12

will tell you the same

#129888 Oct 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's easy.
Once, while visiting her at Leisure World, I heated some coffee in her microwave. I entered "60" and hit start. She had always entered "100," which is converted to "1:00" - same thing - but with one more keystroke.
My mother carried on about how clever and efficient I was for several minutes, even telling a friend of hers in front of me. It was Seinfeld-esque.
That's a mother's love.
That's easy.
Once, while visiting God at church, I heated some coffee in a microwave. I entered "60" and hit start. He had always entered "100," which is converted to "1:00" - same thing - but with one more keystroke.
God carried on about how clever and efficient I was for several minutes, even telling a angels in front of me. It was Seinfeld-esque.
That's a God's love.

Now, tell me friend, why should we accept your story as a mother's love? You have not proven that the story is true or that you even ahve a mother. But, then let's say that no proof is required, then my story about God is just as valid on top of 100s of stories that are way more powerful.

If yo say that my stories about God existence and love have an explanation, then likewise your mother could have been lying and besides she could be some stranger who found you on the streets at age 1 and assumed the identity.

So, that was easy, you have no proof.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#129889 Oct 15, 2012
That would be the job of your special Ed teacher. Just as usual walk up to him and wave your arms in frustration going duh thuyeah thuyeah!! And show him my posts.

Glad I could be of help Forrest Gimp You're so stupid I bet you have up, left and right syndrome too.
preterism wrote:
<quoted text> Please explain more so I can comprehend what you're trying to say.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#129890 Oct 15, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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6 degrees of Charles Darwin?
Thomas Alva Bell.
Hidingfromyou

Los Angeles, CA

#129891 Oct 15, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Francis Collins is an evolutionist (in your words).
He wrote a book on evolution!!!
And in that book he said "people who don't believe in evolution are not educated."
You didn't read his book on evolution, did you?
You left this on the table.
Hidingfromyou:
I am a foolish liar. You said that you do not know any gays. So, all those people you mentioned you never introduced them to me! Have you ever sat down with a gay friend and talked to them about me?
I have many issues with my parents and the abuse they visited on me. Have you ever talked to an insane person about why they are not stable and how they struggle with relationships? Yeah, that is me. It's hard to deal with all my baggage.
Sometimes I think about men. Like the butcher at the grocery store was gay too. No, like you said, you do not know any gays who like me, but I wish they would. Actually, I am sorry, I need mental help. All I can think to talked about is homosexuality and pedophilia, my lovely only two childhood experiences since I was very, very so young.
Does anyone know what kind of help I can get? I much need help. I am so sorry for troubling you all. Every word I type is full of pain. Misery is all I know.
Why are you still posting to me, the liar?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#129892 Oct 15, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Thomas Alva Bell.
1 degree of separation with anyone with a phone. LOL

Calvin Coolidge!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#129893 Oct 15, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>You become offended, but in fact, many see a cartoon vserion of evolution. Consider this, based on evolution theory, a black hole must have caused a Big Bang to explode into our universe, which then banged further into our world. But, since we no that the gaseous and elemental formations in space, the black hole and even in stars is quite different from earth, then earth must have been without form and ability to sustain life. It must have had a gaseous combustible atmosphere. So, now earth is here, no life and no form, no air, no water, no plants, no cloud formations in the air, no rain, no day and no night, since light could not exist and no time. Now, explain what happened from this point.
Evolution theory has nothing to do with black holes, the big bang or how the earth was formed.

I have never heard of a hypothesis of a black hole causing the big bang. Where did you hear that?

Why would the earth be without form? If it is a planet, it has form. Why do you think earth had no water? I know of no science claims that hold this. Why would it have no day or night? If the sun formed before the earth, it would thus have a day and night.

How can we move on from a point that you claim, when no science agrees with your claims?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#129894 Oct 15, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Ah here you are...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mBiHysKnvGsXX
The best comedy team ever! Thanks….

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129895 Oct 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If a god or gods were involved in the creation of the world we find ourselves in, they weren't yours. Yours didn't use a big bang or evolution. Neither did Marduk or Odin.
preterism wrote:
What did my God use?
Magic, by my reckoning. It's in Genesis 1 and 2 if you want to read about it, summarized below. That story is no closer to correct than the Marduk and Odin versions. See for yourself:

[1] MARDUK (Babylonian) "The mighty Marduk took his club and split Tiamat’s body in half. He placed half of her body in the sky and made the heavens (space). He created the moon to guard the heavens, and set it moving back and forth, on endless (time) patrol (energy). With the other half of Tiamat's body he made the land.(matter)" http://mesopotamia.mrdonn.org/marduk.html

[2] ODIN (VIKING) "Odin, Vili, and Vé killed the giant Ymir. The sons of Bor then ... made the world (matter) from him. From his blood they made the sea and the lakes; from his flesh the earth; from his hair the trees; and from his bones the mountains. They made rocks and pebbles from his teeth and jaws and those bones that were broken. Maggots appeared in Ymir's flesh and came to life (life). By the decree of the gods they acquired human understanding and the appearance of men, although they lived in the earth and in rocks. From Ymir's skull the sons of Bor made the sky (space)... The sons of Bor flung Ymir's brains into the air, and they became the clouds. Then they took the sparks and burning embers that were flying about after (time) they had been blown out of Muspell, and placed them in the midst of Ginnungagap to give light to heaven above and earth beneath (energy). To the stars they gave appointed places and paths." http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/creation.html

[3] JEHOVAH-JESUS (Christian) "In the beginning, God created the universe. At first the earth was shapeless and covered in darkness, and God's spirit hovered over the waters. God said, "Let there be light". And there was light. God divided the day from the night, naming them ' day' and 'night'. This was the first day and God saw that it was good. On the second day God made the heavens to separate the water from the earth and on the third day he raised the dry land up from the waters below the heavens and commanded the earth to bring forth all plants. God saw that it was good. God then made the greater light for the day and the lesser light for the night, and he saw hat it was good. This was the fourth day. On the fifth day God commanded the waters to fill with living creatures and the air to fill with birds. And he was pleased with what he saw. On the sixth day God commanded the earth to bring forth all kinds of living creatures and he saw that it was good. God then said " Let us make man in our own image". So God created man and woman in his own likeness and gave them authority over all living things. God looked at everything he had made and was very pleased. On the seventh day, God rested." - Genesis

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#129896 Oct 15, 2012
Thank you, Coward Viking. I see you have a new vintage of socks. All your August ones gete banned or just ignored ?

ROFLMAO
Martina Navratilover wrote:
<quoted text>That's easy.
Once, while visiting God at church, I heated some coffee in a microwave. I entered "60" and hit start. He had always entered "100," which is converted to "1:00" - same thing - but with one more keystroke.
God carried on about how clever and efficient I was for several minutes, even telling a angels in front of me. It was Seinfeld-esque.
That's a God's love.
Now, tell me friend, why should we accept your story as a mother's love? You have not proven that the story is true or that you even ahve a mother. But, then let's say that no proof is required, then my story about God is just as valid on top of 100s of stories that are way more powerful.
If yo say that my stories about God existence and love have an explanation, then likewise your mother could have been lying and besides she could be some stranger who found you on the streets at age 1 and assumed the identity.
So, that was easy, you have no proof.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129897 Oct 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No, he said to prove that you love your mother
He said, "Prove that your mother loves you."

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