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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#129845 Oct 15, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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DF, you should see the new Pagani.
What a creation.
I'm starting to agree with this Serah lady.
The Huyara?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#129846 Oct 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you mean Richard Dawkins?
Actually,(Richard) Dawkins is a transitional form between (Charles) Darwin and (Stephen) Hawking. Now we have yet another missing link, this time connecting Richard Dawkins to Stephen Hawking - Richard Hawking.
So...

Man evolves from bipedal to invalid?

Evolutionary trade-off, methinks

Yo amigo. How goes it in the land of the golden sunrise?

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#129847 Oct 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you mean Richard Dawkins?
Actually,(Richard) Dawkins is a transitional form between (Charles) Darwin and (Stephen) Hawking. Now we have yet another missing link, this time connecting Richard Dawkins to Stephen Hawking - Richard Hawking.
6 degrees of Charles Darwin?

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#129848 Oct 15, 2012
Mindlessness posing as mind. That is the New Atheism.

Belief in a supernatural force is as innate to humans as is breathing. The identification of this force is the issue.

These atheists get on here and make claims that religion stifles science, yada yada yada, when if fact no such thing happens. They paint a false picture to win adherents to their religion of scientism, which is a default they fell into because they can't reconcile teachings of others to suit themselves. Most anyone that has a religious belief has questioned it and themselves, exploring deeper meanings of life, and coming up with a balance. These New Atheists don't have that ability. They let theoretical "scientists" pour stuff into their heads and they make believe they understand them. Why else would they believe that observations made here apply to distances beyond their real comprehension? That "scientists" can recreate creation to nanoseconds from the absolute beginning. That "scientists" can even believe they can recreate the conditions that caused such. If they just had the money and support to try it out. They will get there, just give them time and more money. Trust them, they have the absolute knowledge. These aren't just men, they are real scientists, and will speak The Truth in a unified voice. Once they silence the heretics within their ranks. Yep, "scientists" seek nothing but the truth and to lead you into the future and everlasting happiness and life and joy. Sometime in the future. The Laws of Probability allowing.

The New Atheism. Confused minds that created a vacuum within, and sucked in bullshit painted as Truth.

Real "atheists" question "science", too.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#129849 Oct 15, 2012
For some reason this thread dropped off my watch list so I apologise for the delay
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
These are the people you are defending.
Taliban shoot teenage Pakistani girl activist outside school
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/09/talib...
MINGORA, Pakistan – A Taliban gunman walked up to a bus taking children home from school in Pakistan's volatile Swat Valley on Tuesday and shot and wounded a 14-year-old activist known for championing the education of girls and publicizing atrocities committed by the Taliban, officials said.
I am not defending them for attempting to kill someone (no matter how old), for that they hold responsibility, I am defending everyone’s right to their freedom of expression. They have just as much right to their view as you do to yours.
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we are the asses, who do not understand shooting a 14-year-old girl! What hatred we must have to not understand their right to shoot little girls!!
Make this sound good. Make shooting, a little girl, noble!
As I said total misunderstanding. Completely expected from one who only wants freedom of expression for his type.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129850 Oct 15, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r6w2M50_XdkXX
Excellent. Thanks.

Here are some highlights from a transcript I found at http://zepfanman.com/2010/11/science-saved-my... :

"If I have something that could be called a soul that needed saving, then science saved it from religion."

"Stars must die so that I can live. I stepped out of a supernova… And so did you."

"If God exists, God made this [photo of a galaxy]. Look at it. Face it. Accept it. Adjust to it, because this is ... how God works. God would probably want you to look at it. To learn about it. To try to understand it. But if you can’t look — if you won’t even try to understand — what does that say about your religion?"

"To even partially comprehend the scale of a single galaxy is to almost disappear. And when you remember all the other galaxies, you shrink 100 billion times smaller still—but then you remember what you are. The same facts that made you feel so insignificant also tell you how you got here. It’s like you become more real—or maybe the universe becomes more real. You suddenly fit. You suddenly belong. You do not have to bow down. You do not have to look away. In such moments, all you have to do is remember to keep breathing."

"The body of a newborn baby is as old as the cosmos. The form is new and unique, but the materials are 13.7 billion years old, processed by nuclear fusion in stars, fashioned by electromagnetism. Cold words for amazing processes. And that baby was you. Is you. You’re amazing. Not only alive, but with a mind.... When I compare what scientific knowledge has done for me and what religion tried to do to me, I sometimes literally shiver."

"Religions mutate in time and grow in sophistication as each generation of holy men learn what works and what doesn’t. What makes people obedient and what causes rebellion. What ideas people can easily escape and which will haunt them until they have to pray just to stop the nagging fear."

"Religions tell children they might go to hell and they must believe, while science tells children they came from the stars and presents reasoning they can believe. I’ve told plenty of young kids about stars and atoms and galaxies and the Big Bang and I have never seen fear in their eyes—only amazement and curiosity. They want more."

"Look at what religion has made us do, to ourselves and to each other. Religion stole our love and our loyalty and gave it to a book—to a telepathic father that tells his children that love means kneeling before him. Now I’m not a parent, but I say that those kids are gonna turn out messed up—it cannot be healthy for a child or a species."

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#129851 Oct 15, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Don't be stupid. Do you know a group who wants all brits dead?
Do you know a group who wants to kill women and children? Do they have meetings and discuss who they are going to fly planes into?
Try not to make such stupid statements, please! The taliban is a group of people, who have no problem murdering innocent little girls! The taliban stood up and took credit for it! They are happy that this brother shot a little girl!
Say what? you said you weren’t going to answer because I was focussing on individuals, you wanted groups and when I pointed out the attachment to groups you claim stupidity – god what a moron you are.

You appear to be mixing up the taliban with Al Qeada, not surprising that you are ignorant of facts.

The IRA were (they still exist, you may even have funded there murderous campaign through NORAID) a group of people who had no problem murdering and maiming innocent women and children in the UK. The fact that they comprised of individual murders made no difference to the victims

You need to read the news, they did not murder an innocent girl, they attempted and failed and she is being flown to the UK today for specialist treatment. Treatment that was learned during the troubles with the IRA.

I may not like it, you may not like it but the taliban has just as much right to be happy as you would be if it your brother shot a taliban insurgent.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#129852 Oct 15, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
I set the scene to who ever wants to take our freedoms away,
If you are one of them yes be afraid.
And what makes you think that others don’t think the same way?

Gee I love your threats

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#129853 Oct 15, 2012
Serah wrote:
Oh, I forgot to reply that Richard Hawking is an atheist.... of renowned fame.
.. hi ya Serah. Welcome to the thread. You're such a breath of fresh air. These gay atheists are insane tricksters ..

.. don't let my moniker fool you. You see, I have two cats - Leslie & Beau, and, they're both happy. So, Happy Lesbo. These gay atheists always try to make inferences about my sexuality. Sex, sex, sex, that's all they think about. But, like you, Jesus is always in my heart ..

.. do you mind if I ask you a few questions? I hope not.

1. Is that a picture of you and your mom?
2. Are you the younger or older good Christian lady?
3. Are you married?

.. be careful of Martina Navratilover. She's a lesbian who pretends to be a good Christian man. In reality, she's Satan's spawn ..

.. thanks for reading my post ..

Yours in Christ, HL

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#129854 Oct 15, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Senator Avella "offended" at Muslim Parade NYC
The mussies what to make an international law, that I cannot blaspheme their mythology! The same people who flew planes into our buildings, killing over 3,000 innocent people, what to make a fu[king law! KMA!
A group who thinks that they have the right to shoot a little girl, to force rape victims to marry their rapists, to stone little girls to death for wearing makeup! KMA!
They may have the freedom to speak, but they cannot and will not get their way.
Wrong, it was al qaeda terrorist who flew into the twin towers. But hey they were muslim to every one is guilty, right?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#129855 Oct 15, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is Richard Hawking?
.. who is Howard Roark ??..

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#129856 Oct 15, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Kinky!!!
Seriously she's brilliant.
.. you're just saying that because you want the HL experience ..

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#129857 Oct 15, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm starting to agree with this Serah lady.
.. you're finally wising up. Always agree with the ladies ..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129858 Oct 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Salvation more important than arm. Mark 9: 43-47.
No. The arm is more important. The need for salvation from being born human is a lie from your church designed to create a sense of fear and dependence in you.

That you think what you just posted is evidence to others that your thinking has become quite deformed by your religious beliefs. Making you think such things can't be good for you, just the priests that you tithe to, obey, and proselytize for. They made you value them and their church more than your arm.

BTW, your book is not an authoritative source to those without faith in it, so citing it is pretty pointless.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#129859 Oct 15, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Francis Collins is not a Creationist in that he believes in a 6000 year old planet and Adam and Eve. He doesn't - for him, these are myths.
If God is outside of nature, then science can neither prove nor disprove his existence. Atheism itself must therefore be considered a form of blind faith, in that it adopts a belief system that cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.(Collins, 2006, p.165)

Interesting.....

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129860 Oct 15, 2012
Martina Navratilover wrote:
<quoted text>Why should he heal your amputated limb? You don't believe
But you do, and you won't get an amputated limb healed, either.

Your god is indistinguishable from nonexistent. It lets people blaspheme him, it never gave us any useful science, and science has found no evidence of an intelligent designer but plenty that your bible is wrong.

Also, the god still hasn't returned, won't move mountains for you as promised or answer prayers in any scientifically demonstrable way, and has left no indisputable evidence of any miracles.

Your kids get leukemia just as often as atheists' kids, your god doesn't protect us from earthquakes or tsunamis, and its church is evaporating away.

And it doesn't grow limbs back.

Why have you settled for so little? Why do you believe in and even make excuses for this god? How much more invisible does it have to be before you doubt it?

“Humanity's first sin was faith. The first virtue was doubt.”- Mike Huben
Loren Eberly

Sunbury, OH

#129861 Oct 15, 2012
Forty Seven Percent Nonvoters Elected What USA Is Today:

The 47% nonvoters of this Representative Republic that sit on their dead hands and whine; elected President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That defies USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit. This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit. And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

President, the Justices they appoint, and Elected Officials hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands is bankrupting USA. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#129862 Oct 15, 2012
Martina Navratilover wrote:
Prove that your mother loves you.
That's easy.

Once, while visiting her at Leisure World, I heated some coffee in her microwave. I entered "60" and hit start. She had always entered "100," which is converted to "1:00" - same thing - but with one more keystroke.

My mother carried on about how clever and efficient I was for several minutes, even telling a friend of hers in front of me. It was Seinfeld-esque.

That's a mother's love.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#129863 Oct 15, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
If God is outside of nature, then science can neither prove nor disprove his existence. Atheism itself must therefore be considered a form of blind faith, in that it adopts a belief system that cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.(Collins, 2006, p.165)
Interesting.....
There is no physical or practical evidence for the subject of the paragraph

The very first phrase is open to question. Where does that babble say that god is outside nature? If that first phrase is an assumption or personal opinion then the rest of the passage must also be considered and assumption or personal opinion

It makes assumptions based on misunderstanding of the general nature of atheism.

And the guy questions atheistic reason?

Intersting…

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#129864 Oct 15, 2012
Ooops - Interesting…

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