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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#129695 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
He's only a creationist in the sense that he believes a deity created the universe with foreknowledge of what would happen. He wrote a book on evolution and calls people - like yourself - who don't believe in evolution "uneducated." His words. I agree with him on that point.
But I disagree on the others. His belief is an inference. It's not supportable by evidence, but by personal experience interpreted through culture.
For one thing, if you assume that the Christian god created the universe, you have to explain:
1. why that god and not some other one?
2. how is God moral when He Created an evolutionary process that produced parasites that cause immense suffering among human children?
Collins didn't answer those questions. He's not capable of answering those questions - but you're welcome to give it a go.

The whole driving force behind existence is way too competitive and the history of Earths organisms and evolutionary path
of predation and right down to the nature of sexual reproduction
screams there was nothing intelligent in the design , or that if there were a creator it was one who relished in the suffering of the creation. I think this so much that if there truly were a creator , it is one of such twisted and awful nature that you could only call this thing a monster.

The struggling history of all living creatures and the devastation's of cosmic , volcanic and atmospheric origin
show the plight of all animal life on Earth to be unguided unaided and entirely resting in a uncertain gamble and resting in the throw of the dice.

For this reason I cannot accept there could be an intelligent designer , and if there was it was what creationists would call evil, and must have met it's own demise. But for all intents and purpose a thing of such terrible nature could not be hidden so well, and indeed would manifest itself within it's creation and all would know the terrible nature and wrath of the monster.
But it simply isn't there to be found , therefore it simply cannot exist.

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Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129696 Oct 14, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
You never responded to:-
Let me ask you some questions, there are 30,000+ gods, 32,000 christian sects and 4 billion Hindi gods so:-
1. Which god do you pray to and why?
2. How much reseach did you do to select your god?
3. Why do you think you are right?
and
Who is Richard Hawking?
I pray to the GOD of Abraham; HE that is I AM.
I have been researching GOD as long as I can remember, however, you may note that my avatar name is Serah? Serah is the daughter of Asher, 8th son of Jacob, and I was seeking her for many years and finally found her again (she is mentioned a few times in the Bible) in the Jewish Talmud.

Serah has strong belief in Prayer, and strong Faith in particular, and is still - here, as a copy and paste troll, I will do exactly that...

***Serah bat Asher was a granddaughter of the biblical patriarch Jacob (Genesis 46:17). A cave and synagogue connected with her in central Iran, 30 kilometers (18.5 miles) west of Isfahan, near a village called P&#299;r Bakr&#257;n in the area of Linj&#257;n, has become one of the holiest places of Iranian Jewry and an important pilgrimage destination.

Legend explains how Serah ended up so far from the land of her forefathers and why this place is so holy for Jews.

http://www.paulyonline.brill.nl/entries/encyc... ***

***Serah did indeed "span the generations" from biblical times until today. The ancient rabbis went so far as to boldly claim that Serah never died. She does indeed live on in the many legends that generations of Jews have told about her. The separate strands of tradition about this immortal lady of legend still beckon to be retold and reunited. This "wise woman," from among the first generations of our people, is again becoming a living presence among us as we recount her story in our day. For Jews of today, Serah bat Asher serves as a traditional model for our contemporary women leaders, imbued with worldly wisdom, Torah learning, and spiritual power.

http://huc.edu/faculty/faculty/pubs/pbregman.... ***

It is easy to understand why I lost Serah; being that she is Jewish, but I was very happy to make her acquaintance again and can understand why I was so very drawn to her.

Take that as you will; we each have challenges in life and I am very happy following my Spiritual pathway, it has led me to some amazing moments. I hope that you too, have some of those spine chilling, goose bump feelings that come just from being in the right spot at the right time.... deja vu if you will :)

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129697 Oct 14, 2012
Oh, I forgot to reply that Richard Hawking is an atheist.... of renowned fame.

Richardfs

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Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129698 Oct 14, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I tip my hat to you, my friend.
No need it's fun.

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#129699 Oct 14, 2012
preterism wrote:
<quoted text> That makes no sense whhat you're rambling off. Houdini was a magician, not God. Can Houdini raise the dead, of couese not . So you see God is God and Houdini is simply a magician.

Nope... God is non existent and Houdini is a dead man.
You can quote me on that.

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Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129700 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
We know how old the earth is based on all kinds of evidence.
Well, you've been declaring yourself for creationism and have been anti-science on here. That generally means a young earth creationist. The old earth creationists, especially the ones who accept science's very good estimation of the ages of the universe and earth, also accept evolution.
But you're welcome to tell me what you believe and you're invited to produce any kind of evidence for that belief.
I've been promoting Francis Collins for years...... most who believe in science and atheism being proven by science don't like Francis....

You wouldn't accept my proof as evidence so no point in putting it here, but if you do know me then you will know I have written about many experiences that I have had in my lifetime

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#129701 Oct 14, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Hiding is a bbbaaaddd girl.
I will spank her later.:)
She's -- She'll.

She's great.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#129702 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>....
You wouldn't accept my proof ....
You have no proof.

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Since: Dec 10

The Basket of Deplorables

#129703 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>
I pray to the GOD of Abraham; HE that is I AM.
I have been researching GOD as long as I can remember, however, you may note that my avatar name is Serah? Serah is the daughter of Asher, 8th son of Jacob, and I was seeking her for many years and finally found her again (she is mentioned a few times in the Bible) in the Jewish Talmud.
Serah has strong belief in Prayer, and strong Faith in particular, and is still - here, as a copy and paste troll, I will do exactly that...
***Serah bat Asher was a granddaughter of the biblical patriarch Jacob (Genesis 46:17). A cave and synagogue connected with her in central Iran, 30 kilometers (18.5 miles) west of Isfahan, near a village called P&#299;r Bakr&#257;n in the area of Linj&#257;n, has become one of the holiest places of Iranian Jewry and an important pilgrimage destination.
Legend explains how Serah ended up so far from the land of her forefathers and why this place is so holy for Jews.
http://www.paulyonline.brill.nl/entries/encyc... ***
***Serah did indeed "span the generations" from biblical times until today. The ancient rabbis went so far as to boldly claim that Serah never died. She does indeed live on in the many legends that generations of Jews have told about her. The separate strands of tradition about this immortal lady of legend still beckon to be retold and reunited. This "wise woman," from among the first generations of our people, is again becoming a living presence among us as we recount her story in our day. For Jews of today, Serah bat Asher serves as a traditional model for our contemporary women leaders, imbued with worldly wisdom, Torah learning, and spiritual power.
http://huc.edu/faculty/faculty/pubs/pbregman.... ***
It is easy to understand why I lost Serah; being that she is Jewish, but I was very happy to make her acquaintance again and can understand why I was so very drawn to her.
Take that as you will; we each have challenges in life and I am very happy following my Spiritual pathway, it has led me to some amazing moments. I hope that you too, have some of those spine chilling, goose bump feelings that come just from being in the right spot at the right time.... deja vu if you will :)
What you are is a avid believer , unfortunately however a believer in a bigoted man made book of historical fiction . One that is filled with mythological and supernatural fairy-tales.
Designed to indoctrinate to subjugate put in in line and rule you. So much for your seeing the Ripley's believe it or not parts, you have not only taken the bait you swallowed the hook and are now helplessly a willing member of the bible enslaved my brain club.

There was a day when perhaps men needed this , but that time has passed. You should realize it for what it is , or there would be more talk of equality and more stories of Serah more stories of Mary. But they were women, and the rightful property of men.
Having no rights to share in power or history.

Besides a few of extraordinary circumstance and victim of it.
Look what religion is doing to the world, making us fight each other. It's time to put down your bible and run away from the churches and mosques and synagogs , they are the damnation and destruction of humanity.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#129704 Oct 14, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
OK sock, let's see your faith turn water into wine. If you don't have enough faith to do that; maybe you should be doing something else with your time.
jesus claimed that anything you ask for, will be granted, if it glorifies the father, yet no christian is willing to put their faith out there. Why is that?
I ask for a cheeseburger.

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Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#129706 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
Oh, I forgot to reply that Richard Hawking is an atheist.... of renowned fame.
Dawkins. Richard Dawkins...

Yes. He's brilliant. Off on some things, though.

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Since: Mar 11

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#129707 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>I've been promoting Francis Collins for years...... most who believe in science and atheism being proven by science don't like Francis....
You wouldn't accept my proof as evidence so no point in putting it here, but if you do know me then you will know I have written about many experiences that I have had in my lifetime
Exactly. Personal experience. Subjective, not objective.

If you are a fan of Collins, then why do you have problems with evolution?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129708 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>
I pray to the GOD of Abraham; HE that is I AM.
I have been researching GOD as long as I can remember, however, you may note that my avatar name is Serah? Serah is the daughter of Asher, 8th son of Jacob, and I was seeking her for many years and finally found her again (she is mentioned a few times in the Bible) in the Jewish Talmud.
Serah has strong belief in Prayer, and strong Faith in particular, and is still - here, as a copy and paste troll, I will do exactly that...
***Serah bat Asher was a granddaughter of the biblical patriarch Jacob (Genesis 46:17). A cave and synagogue connected with her in central Iran, 30 kilometers (18.5 miles) west of Isfahan, near a village called P&#299;r Bakr&#257;n in the area of Linj&#257;n, has become one of the holiest places of Iranian Jewry and an important pilgrimage destination.
Legend explains how Serah ended up so far from the land of her forefathers and why this place is so holy for Jews.
http://www.paulyonline.brill.nl/entries/encyc... ***
***Serah did indeed "span the generations" from biblical times until today. The ancient rabbis went so far as to boldly claim that Serah never died. She does indeed live on in the many legends that generations of Jews have told about her. The separate strands of tradition about this immortal lady of legend still beckon to be retold and reunited. This "wise woman," from among the first generations of our people, is again becoming a living presence among us as we recount her story in our day. For Jews of today, Serah bat Asher serves as a traditional model for our contemporary women leaders, imbued with worldly wisdom, Torah learning, and spiritual power.
http://huc.edu/faculty/faculty/pubs/pbregman.... ***
It is easy to understand why I lost Serah; being that she is Jewish, but I was very happy to make her acquaintance again and can understand why I was so very drawn to her.
Take that as you will; we each have challenges in life and I am very happy following my Spiritual pathway, it has led me to some amazing moments. I hope that you too, have some of those spine chilling, goose bump feelings that come just from being in the right spot at the right time.... deja vu if you will :)
2. How much reseach did you do to select your god?
3. Why do you think you are right?
and
Who is Richard Hawking?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129709 Oct 14, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> What you are is a avid believer , unfortunately however a believer in a bigoted man made book of historical fiction . One that is filled with mythological and supernatural fairy-tales.
Designed to indoctrinate to subjugate put in in line and rule you. So much for your seeing the Ripley's believe it or not parts, you have not only taken the bait you swallowed the hook and are now helplessly a willing member of the bible enslaved my brain club.
There was a day when perhaps men needed this , but that time has passed. You should realize it for what it is , or there would be more talk of equality and more stories of Serah more stories of Mary. But they were women, and the rightful property of men.
Having no rights to share in power or history.
Besides a few of extraordinary circumstance and victim of it.
Look what religion is doing to the world, making us fight each other. It's time to put down your bible and run away from the churches and mosques and synagogs , they are the damnation and destruction of humanity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r6w2M50_XdkXX
Read her bio, it's like taking a trip to the Twilight Zone.

In fact listen to this at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129710 Oct 14, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We need HL.
She's the best spanker of all.
Kinky!!!

Seriously she's brilliant.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129711 Oct 14, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
The whole driving force behind existence is way too competitive and the history of Earths organisms and evolutionary path
of predation and right down to the nature of sexual reproduction
screams there was nothing intelligent in the design , or that if there were a creator it was one who relished in the suffering of the creation. I think this so much that if there truly were a creator , it is one of such twisted and awful nature that you could only call this thing a monster.
The struggling history of all living creatures and the devastation's of cosmic , volcanic and atmospheric origin
show the plight of all animal life on Earth to be unguided unaided and entirely resting in a uncertain gamble and resting in the throw of the dice.
For this reason I cannot accept there could be an intelligent designer , and if there was it was what creationists would call evil, and must have met it's own demise. But for all intents and purpose a thing of such terrible nature could not be hidden so well, and indeed would manifest itself within it's creation and all would know the terrible nature and wrath of the monster.
But it simply isn't there to be found , therefore it simply cannot exist.
If there was an intelligent designer why are there so many mistakes? Why would there even be evolution as everything would be perfectly designed for their environment and there would be no need for change.

Since: Jul 10

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#129712 Oct 14, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Which god? Ptah?
There is only one true God, as for the others you seem to insist they exsist, I'm sorry to tell you this but they can only be found in the fiction category of your local book store.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#129713 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
Oh, I forgot to reply that Richard Hawking is an atheist.... of renowned fame.
Who is "Richard Hawking"?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129714 Oct 14, 2012
preterism wrote:
<quoted text> There is only one true God, as for the others you seem to insist they exsist, I'm sorry to tell you this but they can only be found in the fiction category of your local book store.
Who is this "one true God", Shu?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#129715 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
Oh, I forgot to reply that Richard Hawking is an atheist.... of renowned fame.
Richard Hawkings fame is only good to those who believe him, and that's not many. He is famous to the devil for sure. as he is considered by the devil as a true follower whose path we know will eventuslly lead to eternal damnation, such a waste.

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