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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#129604 Oct 14, 2012
Martina Navratilover wrote:
<quoted text>SO,NOW YOU ADMIT, that you are Belia or satan. He tried to tell Jesus to do similar things for his amusement. Why don't you read the 3 temptations of Christ by satan, if you wanted to know? Clue, it is found in the New Testament.
Listen, sock, Satan, in that story, only wanted to temp jesus; that is not what I am asking for. I am asking you to glorify god the father, much like Elijah did. Surely god loves me enough for that!

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129605 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>hahahahaha.....
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/scie...
from the past...
Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950), is an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP). He currently serves as Director of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. Prior to being appointed Director, he was the founder and president of the BioLogos Foundation, an organization which promotes discourse on the relationship between science and religion and advocates the perspective that belief in Christianity can be reconciled with acceptance of evolution and science.[1] Collins also wrote the New York Times bestseller, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief, which discusses Collins' conversion from atheism to Christianity, evaluates the evidence for Christianity, and argues for theistic evolution.[2] In 2009 Pope Benedict XVI appointed Collins to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins
from the present....
and there are a lot of scientists in between that I guess you are ignorant of.... learn a little before you laugh at others IQ's
Why do godbots have to lie all the time:-

1. I said "godbots" and "creationists" but you want to extend that to all religious people.

2. Einstein made his comments long before COBE.

3. Oh gee! one scientist became a theist. How many are leaving religion?

The tone of your post sets you as just another bibull thumping godbot who thinks they can convert atheists into godbots.

You will complain that people don't respect you and yours is the one true god.

BTW Why is it you godbots can not find a quote from a current Physicist to support you pathetic claims? Why do you always have go back 100+ years to find a statement?

Oh! that's right because COBE blew you guys right out of the water.

Let me ask you some questions, there are 30,000+ gods, 32,000 christian sects and 4 billion Hindi gods so:-

1. Which god do you pray to and why?
2. How much reseach did you do to select your god?
3. Why do you think you are right?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129606 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
This is why you don't understand science. You fail to discriminate between subjective and objective experiences.
***Richard Feynman

Richard Feynman, Nobel prize in physics in 1965, was a very unusual person. He said some 9 years before receiving the Nobel prize, "Many scientists do believe in both science and God, the God of revelation, in a perfectly consistent way." So is it possible to be a scientist and a Christian? Yes according to Richard Feynman.

A good summary statement in this regard is by Alan Lightman, who has written a very well–received book called Origins. He's an M.I.T. professor who has published this book with Harvard University Press. He says,

References to God continued in the scientific literature until the middle to late 1800's. It seems likely that the lack of religious references after this time seem more from a change in social and professional conventions among scientists rather than from any change in underlying thought. Indeed, contrary to popular myth, scientists appear to have the same range of attitudes about religious matters as does the general public.

Now one could regard that statement as strictly anecdotal. Americans love statistics. Here's the result of a poll of the professional society Sigma Zi. Three thousand three hundred responded, so this is certainly beyond statistical uncertainty. The headline says, "Scientists are anchored in the U. S. mainstream." It says that half participate in religious activities regularly. Looking at the poll is that 43% of Ph.D. scientists are in church on a typical Sunday. In the American public, 44% are in church on a typical Sunday. So it's clear that whatever it is that causes people to have religious inclinations is unrelated to having an advanced degree in science.

http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/sctstbe... ***

Why do you think scientists don't believe in GOD? Tell the scientists that do believe in GOD that you think they are lying and debate it with them, but don't discriminate and accuse others of discrimination, that is very hypocritical

Urban Dictionary: hypocrite
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php...
(1) A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for.(2) A person who professes certain ideals, but fails to live up to them.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129607 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we do not.
You are content with intellectual laziness. You are fine with "god did it" - but all that leads to is a full stop on knowledge production.
But you won't understand this.
you are the one who lazily accepts what you were told.... and GOD did what? Why am I so happy with that answer that I won't research?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129608 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>I'd like to know how much time they think it took for a little or big old fishy to grow eyelashes, eyebrows & ears. Did they do this under water? Did their lungs develop under water - requiring them to breathe air and not suck water through their gills or did they clumsily thrash around on land until they grew legs and arms? Were they hairy eyelashing eyebrowing fishies waiting patiently for their legs to grow so they could walk? How long do they think it took for this hairy fish to walk? What did they eat in the meantime? Have they thought about anything logical??
So do the research. Build a hypothesis and start testing. To answer your questions, we need to go about it two ways: fossils or a better understanding of genetics.

Eyebrows didn't appear until hair evolved and that was with the first mammals. So quite a bit after fish. You can learn more here:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/...

This article discusses the evolution of the neck joints. If you could understand it, you'd understand why complex traits take a long time to evolve: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/...

Lungs evolved to deal with air. It took a very long time. The mistake you're making is to jump over tons of steps. You're are falsely equating "growth" with evolution. Lungs didn't pop into existence over night - they were selected for one mutation at a time.

Here is an abstract of research into how lungs evolved:

http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/2/73...

But we both know you don't care for the answers. The questions you ask demonstrates you having got any background in biological science. It's all quite nonsense to you.

So you parade your ignorance as support for your strange religion, compounding argument fallacy upon argument fallacy.

This is why there's no such thing as a "creationist scientist."

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#129609 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>you might be the relative of a monkey or a large bald fishy trying to sprout hair, but don't shove your delight onto us.... we are very happy being the ancestors of people. your DNA must be way out of whack to think you came from a fishy donchathink?
You might feel more at home with the other rocks in the geology thread.

"I didn't come from sediment! I've always been a rock!"

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129610 Oct 14, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do godbots have to lie all the time:-
1. I said "godbots" and "creationists" but you want to extend that to all religious people.
2. Einstein made his comments long before COBE.
3. Oh gee! one scientist became a theist. How many are leaving religion?
The tone of your post sets you as just another bibull thumping godbot who thinks they can convert atheists into godbots.
You will complain that people don't respect you and yours is the one true god.
BTW Why is it you godbots can not find a quote from a current Physicist to support you pathetic claims? Why do you always have go back 100+ years to find a statement?
Oh! that's right because COBE blew you guys right out of the water.
Let me ask you some questions, there are 30,000+ gods, 32,000 christian sects and 4 billion Hindi gods so:-
1. Which god do you pray to and why?
2. How much reseach did you do to select your god?
3. Why do you think you are right?
Thank you for considering me a GODbot...

One Scientist became a theist? One? LOL.... come back when you have read up on the topic and you might sound a bit like you know what you are talking about...

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129611 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
Why do you think scientists don't believe in GOD? Tell the scientists that do believe in GOD that you think they are lying and debate it with them, but don't discriminate and accuse others of discrimination, that is very hypocritical
Urban Dictionary: hypocrite
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php...
(1) A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for.(2) A person who professes certain ideals, but fails to live up to them.
1. I didn't say that no scientist believes in God.

2. I said the reason RR can't understand science is b/c of his inability to understand what subjective versus objective reality is.

Some Christians are scientists. But no creationists are scientists. It's impossible to be that ignorant and dishonest while remaining a scientist.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129612 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>you are the one who lazily accepts what you were told.... and GOD did what? Why am I so happy with that answer that I won't research?
Hardly. You were told "god did it" and that's as far as you got. You've accepted a fiction, intellectual laziness and built your entire understanding of the world on it.
Totally worthless.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129613 Oct 14, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do godbots have to lie all the time?
Because that's all they can handle. Honest knowledge and study is too hard for them. They'd rather just deceive themselves and others through intellectual dishonesty than actually have to learn something.

They really are like parasites - enjoying all of the benefits of science while failing to understand even the slightest bit of it.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129614 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
So do the research. Build a hypothesis and start testing. To answer your questions, we need to go about it two ways: fossils or a better understanding of genetics.
Eyebrows didn't appear until hair evolved and that was with the first mammals. So quite a bit after fish. You can learn more here:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/...
This article discusses the evolution of the neck joints. If you could understand it, you'd understand why complex traits take a long time to evolve: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/...
Lungs evolved to deal with air. It took a very long time. The mistake you're making is to jump over tons of steps. You're are falsely equating "growth" with evolution. Lungs didn't pop into existence over night - they were selected for one mutation at a time.
Here is an abstract of research into how lungs evolved:
http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/content/28/2/73...
But we both know you don't care for the answers. The questions you ask demonstrates you having got any background in biological science. It's all quite nonsense to you.
So you parade your ignorance as support for your strange religion, compounding argument fallacy upon argument fallacy.
This is why there's no such thing as a "creationist scientist."
Tell these Scientists they don't exist lol.... what a crack up this forum is!!

*** http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/CMI_list_of_scie...

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129615 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I didn't say that no scientist believes in God.
2. I said the reason RR can't understand science is b/c of his inability to understand what subjective versus objective reality is.
Some Christians are scientists. But no creationists are scientists. It's impossible to be that ignorant and dishonest while remaining a scientist.
Your words...

"This is why there's no such thing as a "creationist scientist."

Err, a statement saying no such thing means no such thing, does it not?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129616 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Hardly. You were told "god did it" and that's as far as you got. You've accepted a fiction, intellectual laziness and built your entire understanding of the world on it.
Totally worthless.
in your eyes, but in my eyes, your statements are totally worthless... and very very lazy indeed

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129617 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>I think they stopped reading about science in school.....
Boy are you going to be in for a surprise most of us here have Bsc and Phds in Biology, Math and Physics.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129618 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I didn't say that no scientist believes in God.
2. I said the reason RR can't understand science is b/c of his inability to understand what subjective versus objective reality is.
Some Christians are scientists. But no creationists are scientists. It's impossible to be that ignorant and dishonest while remaining a scientist.
Seen the size of the list of scientists who believe in Creation?

Oh wait, you might not know what Creationist means...

***cre·a·tion·ism
&#8194; &#8194;[kree-ey-shuh-niz-u hm] Show IPA
noun
1.
the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.
2.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) the doctrine that the true story of the creation of the universe is as it is recounted in the Bible, especially in the first chapter of Genesis.
3.
the doctrine that God immediately creates out of nothing a new human soul for each individual born.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/creati... ****

You calling all of them dishonest? What about Francis Collins; calling him dishonest too? LOL......

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129619 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Because that's all they can handle. Honest knowledge and study is too hard for them. They'd rather just deceive themselves and others through intellectual dishonesty than actually have to learn something.
They really are like parasites - enjoying all of the benefits of science while failing to understand even the slightest bit of it.
Getting any benefits of scientists?

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**********

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#129620 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
Seen the size of the list of scientists who believe in Creation?
Seen the size of the list of scientists in Project Steve, and what the size of that list translates into when extrapolated to scientists of any name?

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129621 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men,.....
No, ever heard of Stephen Hawking?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#129622 Oct 14, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy are you going to be in for a surprise most of us here have Bsc and Phds in Biology, Math and Physics.
No I'm not, but just because I believe in GOD does not mean I do not study or am lazy. People don't mind tossing out the insults but for some reason, hate getting the same words back!!

And at least you would be aware of scientists who believe in our Creator, wouldn't you?

“Ask me who I am and I”

Since: Sep 12

will tell you the same

#129623 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Because that's all they can handle. Honest knowledge and study is too hard for them. They'd rather just deceive themselves and others through intellectual dishonesty than actually have to learn something.
They really are like parasites - enjoying all of the benefits of science while failing to understand even the slightest bit of it.
Such evil and hate.

They will say:

satan: how much did you do for my cause?
unbeliever: I did not believe. I was fooled.
satan: yes, you were a fool.
unbeliever: well, since I was fooled, can I leave?
satan: nope, I did my job, you did not do yours.
atheist: well, I denied there was a God, do I get a reward.
satan: you are a bigger fool. All that evidence, angels whispering in your ears. Your dying grandmother telling you that their is a God, but you wanted this. Sucker.
science Hiding: Ha, you are not real. This is a dream. There is no scientific causation for it. Can't be.
satan: yeah, and your burning butt is not real, but your screaming and pain is very much real.
gay lesbo: Well, I was gay and ruined my family and children's lives. I ignored all scriptures, promoted suicide and AIDS among gays, by not letting them know there was a way out.
satan: you did good, your reward is hell fire and eternal damnation.
gay lesbo: how is that a reward, it is the same as the rest.
satan: how many times were you told by good loving Christians, like Martina, that this was your reward.

unbeliever: damn
atheist: damn
science lesbo: damn
gay lesbo: damn
satan: yes, you are.

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