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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#129584 Oct 14, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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How long were you in the nut house?
I was never in the nut house

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#129585 Oct 14, 2012
Mr Lazlo wrote:
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I think we are all searching for the Prime Cause. The Big Bang is a poor substitute for God in my book, because could we not ask what caused the Big Bang and so forth and so on. Geez.
OK sock, let's see your faith turn water into wine. If you don't have enough faith to do that; maybe you should be doing something else with your time.

jesus claimed that anything you ask for, will be granted, if it glorifies the father, yet no christian is willing to put their faith out there. Why is that?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#129586 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
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Everyone who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
http://www.faithinterface.com.au/science-chri...
Since most scientist are atheist, I would have to say that you are full of it.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#129587 Oct 14, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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They were facts, not insults.
Guilty conscience?
Work on yourself. I'm good.
What facts are those?

Last you wrote, you had forgotten what you said.

“Ask me who I am and I”

Since: Sep 12

will tell you the same

#129588 Oct 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Dude, just come out of the closet already. Sheesh, four posts, and those were just the last four I read, and you have to bring gay into it when no mention was made.
I see that you must come out of the closet, since you try to keep the word gay in it. If he had said rapist, you would not have mentioned it. Oops, he did and you did not say anything about. If you want the word gay kept in the closet, then you should get in the closet with it. People respond to your dishonest and hate filled posts, based on your pattern. Change your pattern. Try providing some evidence, instead of your divisional derived posts at attempting to make people feel that if they don't agree, then they are dumb. It fails with you, because your position is not agreeable.

“Ask me who I am and I”

Since: Sep 12

will tell you the same

#129589 Oct 14, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Since most scientist are atheist, I would have to say that you are full of it.
Since most scientists are not atheists, then you must say that you are full of it.

FACTS: A survey conducted in 1969 showed that 35% of scientists did not believe that God existed.2 In contrast, recent surveys on religious belief have shown that 90 percent of Americans believe in God and 40 percent attend a place of worship weekly. 100 MINUS 35 = 65% WHO BELIEVE.

IN FACT, IN ANY GIVEN FIELD, THE HIGHEST PERCENT WAS 41 AND THE LOWEST 27% WHO DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. FLIPS THE NUMBERS AND YOU WILL SEE HWO MANY BELIEVE.

Overall, 75% of professors contacted completed the survey. Among the different disciplines, disbelief in the existence of God was not correlated with any particular area of expertise:
Disbelief in God by Academics4Discipline %
Physics 40.8
Chemistry 26.6
Biology 41.0
Overall 37.6
Sociology 34.0
Economics 31.7
Political Science 27.0
Psychology 33.0
Overall 31.2

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#129590 Oct 14, 2012

“Ask me who I am and I”

Since: Sep 12

will tell you the same

#129591 Oct 14, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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OK sock, let's see your faith turn water into wine. If you don't have enough faith to do that; maybe you should be doing something else with your time.
jesus claimed that anything you ask for, will be granted, if it glorifies the father, yet no christian is willing to put their faith out there. Why is that?
SO,NOW YOU ADMIT, that you are Belia or satan. He tried to tell Jesus to do similar things for his amusement. Why don't you read the 3 temptations of Christ by satan, if you wanted to know? Clue, it is found in the New Testament.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#129592 Oct 14, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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What facts are those?
Last you wrote, you had forgotten what you said.
I forgot them again, not that it matters. They were surely true.

I hate boxing with shadows.

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Since: Jul 07

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#129593 Oct 14, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Since most scientist are atheist, I would have to say that you are full of it.
you can say what you want, but they were not my words, they are copied and pasted from the link that was also in that posting.

Most scientists are atheists, I give you that, but many are changing their minds.....

**** Dr. Collins was a nonbeliever until he was 27 - "more and more into the mode of being not only agnostic but being an atheist," as he put it. All that changed after he completed his doctorate in physics and was at work on his medical degree, when he was among those treating a woman dying of heart disease. "She was very clear about her faith and she looked me square in the eye and she said,'what do you believe?' " he recalled. "I sort of stammered out,'I am not sure.' "

He said he realized then that he had never considered the matter seriously, the way a scientist should. He began reading about various religious beliefs, which only confused him. Finally, a Methodist minister gave him a book, "Mere Christianity," by C. S. Lewis. In the book Lewis, an atheist until he was a grown man, argues that the idea of right and wrong is universal among people, a moral law they "did not make, and cannot quite forget even when they try." This universal feeling, he said, is evidence for the plausibility of God.

When he read the book, Dr. Collins said, "I thought, my gosh, this guy is me."

Today, Dr. Collins said, he does not embrace any particular denomination, but he is a Christian. Colleagues sometimes express surprise at his faith, he said. "They'll say,'how can you believe that? Did you check your brain at the door?" But he said he had discovered in talking to students and colleagues that "there is a great deal of interest in this topic."

Polling Scientists on Beliefs

According to a much-discussed survey reported in the journal Nature in 1997, 40 percent of biologists, physicists and mathematicians said they believed in God - and not just a nonspecific transcendental presence but, as the survey put it, a God to whom one may pray "in expectation of receiving an answer."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/national/23... ***

I'm just with the 40% who believe, your are with the 40% who don't....

“Ask me who I am and I”

Since: Sep 12

will tell you the same

#129594 Oct 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Key difference, we have questions because we want to learn, you lack questions because you would prefer to live in a happy little bubble.
I bet you thought that this was a question. You seldom if ever ask a question.

Maybe, we ask questions about gays because it has more effect on politics and schools, than whether you came from a Jurassic rat 7,000 years ago or 200 million years ago. Maybe, we give information because you were no more born gay than you evolved from a rat 195 million years ago.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129595 Oct 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, I do. You just don't like how I dumb it down to a cartoon-like story of bullshit.
Evolution has been proven that it can happen, but it hasn't and probably can't be proven that it happened the way the evolutionary theorists have desribed.
I'm sorry that your mind is so closed that you can't fathom any other possibility...
You "dumb it down" to a state of utter misrepresentation. Once again you are being dishonest in presenting yourself as someone who understands evolution - every post you talk about it you display gross ignorance. Like the one above.

You talking of my mind being closed when you believe in a fantasy, are guided by that fantasy and will undertake anything, including deceit, to support it.

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Since: Jul 07

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#129596 Oct 14, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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How long were you in the nut house?
you are so far in denial that you won't consider what others are considering!!

***There is a God, leading atheist concludes

A gradual conversion
Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article “Theology and Falsification,” based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by the writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.

Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.
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There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.

Yet biologists’ investigation of DNA “has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved,” Flew says in the new video,“Has Science Discovered God?”

The video draws from a discussion last May in New York organized by author Roy Abraham Varghese’s Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

‘Follow the evidence, wherever it leads’
The first hint of Flew’s turn was a letter in the August-September issue of Britain’s Philosophy Now magazine.“It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism,” he wrote.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6688917/ns/world_... ***

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129597 Oct 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Selection pressures? lol If that were true, why are there still fish in swamps? In low-flow rivers? Why to trout still swim upstream in sometimes very shallow water to lay eggs when they should've "evolved" a better way by now....
Wow - look at what religion did to your ability to grasp how biology works!

And you claimed to understand evolution?!? Your statement here couldn't be more ignorant if you tried - very clearly you haven't got the first clue about evolution, biology or science. You're just babbling.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#129598 Oct 14, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
So closed? What evidence have you provided to the contrary? Goddidit? I know 'cause he touched Me! That is not evidence.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It is evidence to me.
Prove you love your mom.
I'll wait.
This is why you don't understand science. You fail to discriminate between subjective and objective experiences.

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#129599 Oct 14, 2012
If scientists cannot explain the evolution of the first reproducing organism, who else can?

****The way many try to show God doesn't exist is simply by asserting it, but that's not proof. It isn't even evidence. Scientists sometimes get away with this by requiring that scientific law--natural law--must explain everything. If it can't explain a supernatural act or a supernatural Being then neither can exist. This is cheating, though.

Scientists haven't proven God doesn't exist; they've merely assumed it in many cases. They've foisted this truism on the public, and then operated from that point of view. They act as if they've really said something profound, when all they've done is given you an unjustified opinion.

http://www.str.org/site/News2... ***

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#129600 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Wow - look at what religion did to your ability to grasp how biology works!
And you claimed to understand evolution?!? Your statement here couldn't be more ignorant if you tried - very clearly you haven't got the first clue about evolution, biology or science. You're just babbling.
you might be the relative of a monkey or a large bald fishy trying to sprout hair, but don't shove your delight onto us.... we are very happy being the ancestors of people. your DNA must be way out of whack to think you came from a fishy donchathink?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129601 Oct 14, 2012
Serah wrote:
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Everyone who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
http://www.faithinterface.com.au/science-chri...
No, we do not.

You are content with intellectual laziness. You are fine with "god did it" - but all that leads to is a full stop on knowledge production.

But you won't understand this.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#129602 Oct 14, 2012
Martina Navratilover wrote:
<quoted text>Since most scientists are not atheists, then you must say that you are full of it.
FACTS: A survey conducted in 1969 showed that 35% of scientists did not believe that God existed.2 In contrast, recent surveys on religious belief have shown that 90 percent of Americans believe in God and 40 percent attend a place of worship weekly. 100 MINUS 35 = 65% WHO BELIEVE.
IN FACT, IN ANY GIVEN FIELD, THE HIGHEST PERCENT WAS 41 AND THE LOWEST 27% WHO DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. FLIPS THE NUMBERS AND YOU WILL SEE HWO MANY BELIEVE.
Overall, 75% of professors contacted completed the survey. Among the different disciplines, disbelief in the existence of God was not correlated with any particular area of expertise:
Disbelief in God by Academics4Discipline %
Physics 40.8
Chemistry 26.6
Biology 41.0
Overall 37.6
Sociology 34.0
Economics 31.7
Political Science 27.0
Psychology 33.0
Overall 31.2
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_...

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Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#129603 Oct 14, 2012
Martina Navratilover wrote:
Since most scientists are not atheists, then you must say that you are full of it.
FACTS: A survey conducted in 1969 showed that 35% of scientists did not believe that God existed.
1969? Seriously? You do realize that beliefs have changed over time in the last few decades.

In a *2009* Pew Research Center poll, only *33%* of scientists claimed to believe in God. And when you ask only physicists and astronomers, that percentage falls to 29%.

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