Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129496 Oct 13, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
woo hoo
You didn't say a damned thing.
A generation is the individual.
What do you mean by selection pressure?
You will have failures occurring mostly in the more "intelligent" and "educated" niches, primarily because of mental conditions brought on by those chemicals in food and medicines, and excess EM, such as cellphone usage, the education and the resultant affluence to afford those things. They will breed in lesser numbers, and are dependent on the greater mass of people. They tend to run in herds, so follow fads and such more quickly.
Basic people will be the survivors. They will suffer cancers and chemical injuries, but will tend to breed anyhow.
What was I supposed to say? You wanted to conjecture. Go right ahead.

I asked "what part of humanity is under selection pressure?" By selection pressure, I mean where people are so stressed, biologically, perhaps because of social factors, that they cannot reproduce. Or that reproduction is very difficult and only a few can. If you find this zone, in any species, that is where evolution is taking place, where genes (in individuals) are actively being removed - "selected against."

Criticism:

- Are the wealthy actually less able to have children?

- You're "tend to run in herds" is kind of silly. Humans are a social species who, basically, don't mind "gene flow" with any other human group, given the opportunity.

- Uh...your "excess EM" is too vague. Do you have any idea how it can affect the human body?

I do
:p
:P
:P

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129497 Oct 13, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
"In reality, as Electric Universe theorist Wal Thornhill points out, stars reside within plasma sheaths perhaps as great as a light-day in extent. They are the borders between theelectrical influence of the stars and the currents flowing through the galaxy.
ďThe Sunís plasma sheath, or Ďheliosphereí is about 100 times more distant than the Earth is from the Sun. To give an idea of the immensity of the heliosphere, all of the stars in the Milky Way could fit inside a sphere encompassed by the orbit of Pluto. The Sunís heliosphere could accommodate the stars from 8 Milky Ways! It is clear from the behavior of its relatively cool photosphere that the Sun is an anode, or positively charged electrode, in a galactic discharge.Ē"
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/10/08/fi...
Break free of your religious training, oh scientific atheists.
The Creator has you in the circuitry. Maybe even has an eye on you.
EM.
Yeah. We can dismiss that guy for not having produced a testable model. He just made stuff up - kind of like you do.

:)

I can see why you like him.

Since: Sep 11

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#129498 Oct 13, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Nope. The horshoe crab along with many creatures, have not changed because their environment has not changed to the point they needed to.
Eagle loves him some horseshoe crab. You can be sure that every ten pages or so eagle will start talking about horseshoe crabs, no matter how many times he has been told that those creationist websites he visits are not reliable sources for criticism of evolutionary theory.

Since: Sep 11

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#129499 Oct 13, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Based on anti supernatural agenda.
Every time you say this, a little part of me dies inside. What in the world is an anti-supernatural bias? Is it related to the anti-unicorn bias? Or the anti-FSM bias?

Most people are not biased against the supernatural, they simply do not consider it because there is not a shred of evidence for the supernatural. Do you consider yourself anti-leprechaun? No, you don't, because belief in leprechauns is so absurd that it would be even more absurd to be actively against leprechaun belief. Understand?

Since: Sep 11

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#129500 Oct 13, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>1)It is all speculation. Never observed.

2)If they assume Christ did not resurrect then they are wrong.

3)They will go to absurd extremes to explain it all absent intelligence. It all happened naturally. They are agenda driven and dogmatic.
1) You demand that for us to accept naturalistic explanations for the universe, that we must literally, physically observe every single event for which we are making a claim. Why don't you apply these same ridiculous standards to your own beliefs?

2) Oh, wait, that's why. You automatically and categorically rule out any opinion or statement of fact if it does not first acknowledge the "truth" of your beliefs. That is a horribly ignorant way to think.

3) This is yet another shining example of the lengths you go to trick yourself into belief. Sad.
Black Thunder 42

Los Angeles, CA

#129501 Oct 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>I love you. I know you are not 10, the way that I like it, but still. From the day, the day that you bested me and corrected me, I have been lusting after you. I have hoped that you would see me as worthy. I know that I am stupid, illiterate and can't write worth dog poop but please give me a chance. I will try to be nice, I will try to act like a lady, I will try to be a human being and be respectful. Please, just don't be too harsh and think that I can not change. It is my dad's fault. He made me feel insecure and unworthy, so now I am here trying to get all the men to like me. I want your baby GK, I will even pay you. Honest, all I have is $5k, but I will get more, some how I will pay your $5k a month for life. Just one night in Roxbury and you can make the night go long.
So, Hiding has a love crush of Gatekeeper. Well, confession time, I have a gay prison crush on boooots. He just bores me into deep sexual feelings.
River Tam

Los Angeles, CA

#129502 Oct 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
- You're "tend to run in herds" is kind of silly.
:P
LOl- your "tend to run in herds"......... You're dumb.
Derp.

Since: Sep 11

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#129503 Oct 14, 2012
preterism wrote:
<quoted text> Why would you have a problem with a Christian? as a true Christian you are to live a quiet, humble productive life. There is but one true church? and that would be the Church of Christ, Romans 16:16, Mark 16:16. Study Acts 2 and it will tell you when the church was started and how to become a Cheistian. It will tell you how God wants us to worship him, which is in spirit and truth.
When did I say I had a problem with individual christians? What are you talking about?

And please stop insulting my intelligence by spewing bible verses at me/

Since: Jun 07

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#129504 Oct 14, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
woo hoo
You didn't say a damned thing.
A generation is the individual.
What do you mean by selection pressure?
You will have failures occurring mostly in the more "intelligent" and "educated" niches, primarily because of mental conditions brought on by those chemicals in food and medicines, and excess EM, such as cellphone usage, the education and the resultant affluence to afford those things. They will breed in lesser numbers, and are dependent on the greater mass of people. They tend to run in herds, so follow fads and such more quickly.
Basic people will be the survivors. They will suffer cancers and chemical injuries, but will tend to breed anyhow.
Failed Creationist liar with no evidence of god, trying to engage in a conversation with the aim of pushing your bullsh*t god agenda.

Since: Sep 11

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#129505 Oct 14, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I completely understand your position.
The Mormons come every year to my house to invite me to their church. Now a days I donít even answer the door. Iíve got a security camera. If I donít know them. I donít need to talk to them.
Iím not trying to be mean itís just that Iím not interested. I think in todayís world there are better ways to invite people without coming across as a nuisance.
I donít hate gays or wish them harm. They shouldnít be discriminated in the work place. At the same time the work place is not a platform for them to market their lifestyle. In fact they need to keep their lifestyle personal.
I donít want to know if someone is gay. Itís none of my business to start with. For example CNNís Anderson Cooper came out that he was gay. In my opinion he used his job to promote a lifestyle. Work should be about work and nothing else. I think it was very inappropriate in my opinion.
I donít know any Christian that is anti science. There are hundreds of science disciplines and I support them all. Saying Christians are anti science is a very broad statement and itís untrue.
You choose not to believe. Iím ok with that decision of yours. We wouldnít be free if we didnít have a choice. My concerns are very similar to yours. I donít want anyone trying to convert me and that includes atheist. I donít want anyone trying to strip away my freedom of choice. Nor do I want anyone trying to stop my freedom of religion.
We have the right to believe or not to believe and I want to keep that freedom.
I don't think I said that all christians are against science - just that I am against the ones who actively attempt to spread their love of ignorance. I'm not picking on christians, there are people in every religion like this.
As for gay people, that's up to you to feel like that about them. However, you are wrong, and I think it's disgusting that bigoted ideas like yours can still exist in our society. Gay people aren't "marketing" their lifestyle by being openly gay at work, or anywhere for that matter; that's like saying that straight people market their lifestyle by being themselves in public. Gay people should not have to hide a big part of their personality because it offends the archaic sensibilities of a couple of socially stunted hold outs from the pre civil rights era. Seriously, there is absolutely no reason outside of insecurity or bigotry to be against a gay person simply being himself at work.
And the fact of the matter is, we live in a society where gestures like the one taken by anderson cooper are unnecessary, unfortunately. People assumed that he was straight by default, and I suppose he wanted everyone to know the truth, so he told them. He wasn't "marketing" himself - he didn't encourage anyone to "convert," he just came out. Today it is not uncommon for people to go as far as to commit suicide from the shame and guilt they feel from hiding "in the closet," and when big names like a. cooper come out it helps to remove a tiny bit of the stigma associated with being gay and with coming out, and that is a good thing.

Since: Jun 07

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#129506 Oct 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think I said that all christians are against science - just that I am against the ones who actively attempt to spread their love of ignorance. I'm not picking on christians, there are people in every religion like this.
As for gay people, that's up to you to feel like that about them. However, you are wrong, and I think it's disgusting that bigoted ideas like yours can still exist in our society. Gay people aren't "marketing" their lifestyle by being openly gay at work, or anywhere for that matter; that's like saying that straight people market their lifestyle by being themselves in public. Gay people should not have to hide a big part of their personality because it offends the archaic sensibilities of a couple of socially stunted hold outs from the pre civil rights era. Seriously, there is absolutely no reason outside of insecurity or bigotry to be against a gay person simply being himself at work.
And the fact of the matter is, we live in a society where gestures like the one taken by anderson cooper are unnecessary, unfortunately. People assumed that he was straight by default, and I suppose he wanted everyone to know the truth, so he told them. He wasn't "marketing" himself - he didn't encourage anyone to "convert," he just came out. Today it is not uncommon for people to go as far as to commit suicide from the shame and guilt they feel from hiding "in the closet," and when big names like a. cooper come out it helps to remove a tiny bit of the stigma associated with being gay and with coming out, and that is a good thing.
Part of being a theist means that you must lie about science and atheists at any and every opportunity. People who don't do this aren't really being true to their faith.

Since: Jun 07

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#129507 Oct 14, 2012
Being a theist is like saying "I reject the proven knowledge behind the car that drives me to work, the computer that lets me do my work and the housing, infrastructure and energy that lets me and others live happily in ignorance."

"Instead I am content to believe that everything in the world is magic and there's no need to thank the thousands of hard working scientists or doctors that allow me and others to live in this ignorant self-inflicted bubble of stupidity".

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#129508 Oct 14, 2012
So when Jephtha tied his daughter down and lot her screaming on fire she went to heaven?
preterism wrote:
<quoted text> To allege that the God of the Bible is some sort of ďmonsterĒ for ordering Israel to destroy the inhabitants of Canaan exhibits an ignorance of biblical teaching. Those inhabitants were destroyed because of their wickedness (Deuteronomy 9:4; 18:9-14). They were so evil that their Creator no longer could abide their corruption. That they had numerous opportunities to repent is evident from the prophetic books (Nineveh did repent, for example, and for a time stayed the day of destruction). Complaining about Jehovahís order to destroy innocent children is a vain gesture when one realizes that the children were spared an even worse fate of being reared as slaves under the domination of sin. Instead of having to endure the scourge of a life of immorality and wickedness, these innocents were ushered early into the bliss of Paradise. If the male children had been allowed to mature, they most likely would have followed the pagan ways of their forefathers, and eventually would have taken vengeance on the Israelites. Killing the males not only prevented them from falling into the same abominable sins as their parents, but also kept Israel from having to battle them later. Just like the children in Noah's time when God destroyed all but eight these children would of grown up to be as there parents, because evil was the norm, so that meant these children didn't have a chance so it was better for the children to die and go to heaven thsn grow up and go to hell, don't you agree?

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#129509 Oct 14, 2012
Well now doesn't Dave's hard work with magnets and strings in his garage count for something?:))

He looks up to Cassandra Peterson as a sweet chaste gal who didn't need to pose naked to make her way into the lime light.

Lol!
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah. We can dismiss that guy for not having produced a testable model. He just made stuff up - kind of like you do.
:)
I can see why you like him.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129510 Oct 14, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>LOl- your "tend to run in herds"......... You're dumb.
Derp.
That phrase was copied directly from Dave. I'm glad you agree with me, that it isn't appropriate to use with people.

See, Dave, our troll calls you dumb.:)
:)
:)
Loren Eberly

Mount Vernon, OH

#129511 Oct 14, 2012
FDR Social Security Program:

The majority of 53% of US the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the 47% nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; insist on electing President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That support FDR Social Security Program designed to defy USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit. This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider.

Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit. And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

President, the Justices they appoint, and Elected Officials hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americaís grandchildrenís children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands is bankrupting USA. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohioís $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. Americaís grandchildrenís children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

Americaís grandchildrenís children cannot pay this debt in a hundred million years.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#129512 Oct 14, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't have her!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Grrr! Grrrrrr!
Here, try this.

*12-gauge*

Since: Jun 12

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#129513 Oct 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
1) You demand that for us to accept naturalistic explanations for the universe, that we must literally, physically observe every single event for which we are making a claim.
Believe it is what actual Science requires.
Why don't you apply these same ridiculous standards to your own beliefs?
Actual Science demands are ridiculous? Never mind that. I have repeatedly stated evidence for physical resurrection is in historical accounts and church history. The claim has been the same for close to 2000 years. Christ resurrected.
2) Oh, wait, that's why. You automatically and categorically rule out any opinion or statement of fact if it does not first acknowledge the "truth" of your beliefs. That is a horribly ignorant way to think.
As it relates to resurrection of Christ. Methinks you are projecting your ignorance of historic Christianity on me. Persons who deny the resurrection of Christ are simply not Christian. That is basic historical Christianity. Your statement is akin to equating a counterfeit 20 dollar bill to an actual 20 dollar bill. Both of equal value and if not then it is a ''horribly ignorant way to think.''
3) This is yet another shining example of the lengths you go to trick yourself into belief. Sad.
This little gem is in response to my statement, they (atheists) will go to absurd extremes to explain it all absent intelligence. It all happened naturally...'' Your statement is more of an assertion than an argument. Another example of the way atheists validation has to do with (ECREE) Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. This is more rhetorical than a rule of logic. It allows atheist to raise the bar for Christian claims while lowering the bar for themselves.

http://religiousapriori.blogspot.com/2010/01/...

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129514 Oct 14, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Believe it is what actual Science requires. <quoted text> Actual Science demands are ridiculous? Never mind that. I have repeatedly stated evidence for physical resurrection is in historical accounts and church history. The claim has been the same for close to 2000 years. Christ resurrected.
<quoted text> As it relates to resurrection of Christ. Methinks you are projecting your ignorance of historic Christianity on me. Persons who deny the resurrection of Christ are simply not Christian. That is basic historical Christianity. Your statement is akin to equating a counterfeit 20 dollar bill to an actual 20 dollar bill. Both of equal value and if not then it is a ''horribly ignorant way to think.''
<quoted text> This little gem is in response to my statement, they (atheists) will go to absurd extremes to explain it all absent intelligence. It all happened naturally...'' Your statement is more of an assertion than an argument. Another example of the way atheists validation has to do with (ECREE) Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. This is more rhetorical than a rule of logic. It allows atheist to raise the bar for Christian claims while lowering the bar for themselves.
http://religiousapriori.blogspot.com/2010/01/...
Still living in never never land. Don't worry one day you will grow up.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129515 Oct 14, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, confession time, I have a gay prison crush on boooots. He just bores me into deep sexual feelings.
GK, SD, Viking, Lie-person, whatever, we all know that. Boooots doesn't feel the same way toward you, though, but I'm sure he's flattered all the same.

:)

Don't feel bad. There is a man out there for you. You just have to learn how to pick them up - something we can all help you with. Here's Hiding's how to attract men. Advice #1:

- Look pretty. It works for both straights and gays. Good luck!

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