Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“It's all about the struggle”

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#129470 Oct 13, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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But you also have not proved there is only one. And that was my point.
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Nothing happens to a muon just before its decay that makes it decay. There is no change in properties. That decay is, in this sense, uncaused.
In many ways, simplicity is more likely to be caused than complexity. The laws of physics lead to complex structures very naturally.
You are so FOS.

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#129472 Oct 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Individuals get mutations, but their genes do not alter in their lifetime. They simply live and die and possibly pass their genes on. If they do, they contribute to their species' evolution. If they get eaten by something else, they contribute to that species' evolution.
Individuals do not evolve. Individuals contribute to evolution. Individuals are not gene pools, except in extreme cases where their species is going extinct.
Each generation goes through a survival filter. Encountering new organisms, diseases, chemical and other environmental conditions will require an innate ability to deal with them on an individual basis. Some will, some won't.

In the last less than 100 years human civilization has created a totally new environment if you believe we have been linear in development. Chemical, nuclear radiation, EM signatures, and new organisms we have to deal with that have arisen in a very short period of time. Very radical changes. They will not fade away.

How will your gene pool of the past deal with those? They are all over the planet. What will those that survive pass on down the line?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129473 Oct 13, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So I guess I am just debating someone who is going to be a smartass and use childish cliches. And yet you wish for us to take you seriously?
I do not think anyone in the scientific community claims a fully formed leg came from a species that has no legs.
The way you explain this shows you have a cartoon version of evolution in your mind.
Welcome to the thread, Mike! I was happy to see you and Drew here. These ... religious posters are ... confused about science.

GK is just a troll. He acts like a satanist trying to make Christianity look bad, and he's obsessed with pedophilia, homosexuality and incest. Not sure why, must be in his background. Honestly not worth reading, a pretty disgusting person.

But you're welcome to try!
Imhotep

Shelby, NC

#129475 Oct 13, 2012
Faith is the surrender of the mind; it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals.

It's our need to believe, and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me.

Of all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated.

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#129476 Oct 13, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>By this logic, it would have made it even more easy on the slaves if god had told someone slavery was an abomination and immoral?
Yeah you're right, if only the israelites would have listen to God, but as I said all throughout the the Old Testament they were known to be a stubborn hard headed bunch. You would think after being set free and being fed daily by God raining food down to them they would do as he says, but that's the way mankind is, stubborn and hard headed.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#129477 Oct 13, 2012
Imhotep wrote:
Faith is the surrender of the mind; it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals.
It's our need to believe, and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me.
Of all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated.
Well said!

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#129478 Oct 13, 2012
Science, biology are wonderful fields of enjoyment, and a way to learn how things work. God has given us a world and a universe to explore, and as a Christian we should enjoy thw beauty we seee on earth and in the sky above.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#129479 Oct 13, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Each generation goes through a survival filter. Encountering new organisms, diseases, chemical and other environmental conditions will require an innate ability to deal with them on an individual basis. Some will, some won't.
Yes! You finally got it! The key word here is "generation."

Woohoo, hero cookie for you!
In the last less than 100 years human civilization has created a totally new environment if you believe we have been linear in development. Chemical, nuclear radiation, EM signatures, and new organisms we have to deal with that have arisen in a very short period of time. Very radical changes. They will not fade away.
How will your gene pool of the past deal with those? They are all over the planet. What will those that survive pass on down the line?
Yes, Dave, you're dead on.

Here's a test of your evo knowledge: where is the greatest selection pressure in humans in this contemporary world you have described?
Hidingfromyou

Los Angeles, CA

#129480 Oct 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Welcome to the thread, Mike! I was happy to see you and Drew here. These ... religious posters are ... confused about science.
I am just a troll. I act like a satanist trying to make homosexuality look bad, and I'm obsessed with pedophilia, homosexuality and incest. Not sure why, must be my background. Honestly not worth reading, I'm a pretty disgusting person.
But you're welcome to try!
No,he should ignore you, because you are a spoiled kid.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129481 Oct 13, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Come to find out they is plenty he is not telling us. We post it here and it is either ignored or dismissed as Creation Science. From my POV it is legitimate peer review.
That's your problem, right there. You don't use evidenced based arguments and you accept anyone's religious ideas so long as they support yours. Hence you turn to creationist nonsense.

Baby, that's not "legitimate peer review." That's creationist nonsense.

If you want real physics that can critique Polymath (a physicist) then use real science journals - read physics journals, learn their arguments and use them.

The same with biological science. Use real science if you want to provide legitimate critique.

Some idiot who doesn't understand science and is willing to be dishonest for his religion doesn't constitute anything remotely like "peer review."

If it's not science, you're not arguing against science. You're just blowing so much smoke.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

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#129482 Oct 13, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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You are way too much in love with yourself. Do yourself a favor and bend over and kiss both of your cheeks.
For all your childish bleating you can still not produce a single post where I lied.
GateKeeper1

Machida, Japan

#129483 Oct 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>No,he should ignore you, because you are a spoiled kid.
I love you Hiding. I always have. From the moment I thought you were a 12 year old boy to now. That's why I stalk you endlessly. Why I cannot spell or write well in your presence. I ... I get all goosebumpy and tremble.

Hiding! It's true. I, GateKeeper1, the poster who has used aliases such as Sir Doc 1 through 30, Viking and others, am stalking you. It's because I must have you. I am a satanist and god told me you were mine.
Imhotep

Shelby, NC

#129484 Oct 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Well said!
Thank you

Sometimes I wax nostalgic, and use my vivid imagination to make futile attempts at 'holy' humor.

Todays problems
Yes my slaves, prayers are delayed.

I am busy, Mohammad was having a emotional affair with Jesus. He is jealous of the recently discovered hidden wife.

And there are rumors circulating Joey Greco's 'Cheaters' is featuring this woman. Slaves have no shame.

Satan is booked solid handling Bishop Willard

I am pleased at his progress.
Alas. Satan is my only 'creation' success.
He has requested Kolob, as a perk.

Really, what is a god to do?

My slaves are rioting, my dilithium crystals have been depleted,

I desperately want another flood but can only afford Global warming.

Is it any mystery my name spelled backwards is Dog?

Mom could have done better!
'Sue' would be good.

Omg (dad) this one really makes me mad.

Which one of us do they mean?

I am the youngest, maybe Mohammad but he smells funny and I've repeatedly warned him about the odor of BBQ on his robes.

My problems are many my faithful slaves

Virtually everything I create... Dies!

Zeus is always teasing me, says I need 'The Force' and a more robust training schedule.
Other gods also torment me daily about this.

What do they think, I'm made of savoiurs?

You should see the road apples Pegasus drops <omg>

My Martyrs are busy with their virgins, the virgins have petitioned Aphrodite for a union.

It is chaos here my slaves :(

Toilets are backed up, waiting on Joe the Plummer.

Due to finances planned raptures must be suspended indefinitely.

I had to send the ghost to calm my youthful son down, since his 1st massacre, he has been anxious to return.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#129485 Oct 13, 2012
GateKeeper1 wrote:
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I love you Hiding. I always have. From the moment I thought you were a 12 year old boy to now. That's why I stalk you endlessly. Why I cannot spell or write well in your presence. I ... I get all goosebumpy and tremble.
Hiding! It's true. I, GateKeeper1, the poster who has used aliases such as Sir Doc 1 through 30, Viking and others, am stalking you. It's because I must have you. I am a satanist and god told me you were mine.
You can't have her!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Grrr! Grrrrrr!

Since: Sep 08

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#129486 Oct 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Yes! You finally got it! The key word here is "generation."
Woohoo, hero cookie for you!
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Yes, Dave, you're dead on.
Here's a test of your evo knowledge: where is the greatest selection pressure in humans in this contemporary world you have described?
woo hoo

You didn't say a damned thing.

A generation is the individual.

What do you mean by selection pressure?

You will have failures occurring mostly in the more "intelligent" and "educated" niches, primarily because of mental conditions brought on by those chemicals in food and medicines, and excess EM, such as cellphone usage, the education and the resultant affluence to afford those things. They will breed in lesser numbers, and are dependent on the greater mass of people. They tend to run in herds, so follow fads and such more quickly.

Basic people will be the survivors. They will suffer cancers and chemical injuries, but will tend to breed anyhow.
Imhotep

Shelby, NC

#129487 Oct 13, 2012
Islam makes very large claims for itself.

In its art, there is a prejudice against representing the human form at all.

The prohibition on picturing the prophet, who was only another male, is apparently absolute.

So is the prohibition on pork or alcohol or, in some Muslim societies, music or dancing.

Very well then, let a good Muslim abstain rigorously from all these.

But if he claims the right to make me abstain as well, he offers the clearest possible warning and proof of an aggressive intent.

The Bible contains a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured humans.

I reject any 'faith' that contradicts scientific fact and outrages reason.
Irony Meter

Los Angeles, CA

#129488 Oct 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I love you boooots. I always have. From the moment I thought you were a 12 year old boy to now. That's why I stalk you endlessly. Why I cannot spell or write well in your presence. I ... I get all goosebumpy and tremble.
Al! It's true. I, Hidingfromyou, the poster who has used aliases such as Happy Lesbo and Kaitlin, G_O_D and others, am stalking you. It's because I must have you. I am a satanist and the devil told me you were mine.
Now, that trips the irony meter.
Hidingfromyou

Los Angeles, CA

#129489 Oct 13, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>which basically means that since the abundance of what you have been fed has been refuted, all you have are ad hominem attacks.
I love you. I know you are not 10, the way that I like it, but still. From the day, the you bested me and corrected me, I have been lusting after you. I have hoped that you would see me as worthy. I know that I am stupid, illiterate and can't write worth dog poop but please give me a chance. I will try to be nice, I will try to act like a lady, I will try to be a human being and be respectful. Please, just don't be too harsh and think that I can not change. It is my dad's fault. He made me feel insecure and unworthy, so now I am here trying to get all the men to like me. I want you baby GK, I will even pay you. Honest, all I have is $5k, but I will get more, some how I will pay your $5k a month for life. Just one night in Roxbury and you can make the night go long.

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#129490 Oct 13, 2012
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/10/07/ti...

High in the mountains.

Considering how advanced they were in cutting, moving and erecting big stones like that in astronomical alignments, why did their science not advance to our level?

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