Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129123 Oct 11, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, pal.
I say that on behalf of everyone who enjoy's Hiding's posts.
Without that second sentence, this could have been AWKWARD.
Thank you, Tide!

Wow, just as I click to reply to your post, an earthquake strikes! My house is shaking and twisting!

Just a little one, now it's over.

I sure hope Gatekeeper reads your posts, too. He could learn sooooooooooooooooo much, yes he can!

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#129127 Oct 11, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, Tide!
Wow, just as I click to reply to your post, an earthquake strikes! My house is shaking and twisting!
Just a little one, now it's over.
I sure hope Gatekeeper reads your posts, too. He could learn sooooooooooooooooo much, yes he can!
I'm glad you felt it.

I wasn't sure it would make it through.

My aim has been off lately. I've been doing rainbows a lot, not too many earthquakes. I've got a volcanic eruption in a few days. That'll be sweet.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#129130 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>....that is all I read.....
^^^^^^Comic Books, Chick Tracts and Watchtower.^^^^^^

You're a moron, Viking.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#129131 Oct 11, 2012
I am a gift from God? Well you are indeed lucky I grace you with my presence. And I think it's McCain btw.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
HL - Liberty IS a gift from God.
Funny that you quote Mitt. Why not Obama?
"McCane hasn't asked me about my Muslim religion"...

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129132 Oct 11, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm glad you felt it.
I wasn't sure it would make it through.
My aim has been off lately. I've been doing rainbows a lot, not too many earthquakes. I've got a volcanic eruption in a few days. That'll be sweet.
hahaha!

Be careful with volcanoes, though. If you make it too big in Hawaii, you'll wipe out the marijuana fields.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129133 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
Yp're....you're
What??? Are you having an aneurysm?

Quick! Jog in place really fast!

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#129134 Oct 11, 2012
And Zeus is the God of all gods.
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, the ranting spewings of a 15 year old kid. Evoluttion is a religion, and you atheists creat rituals and myths to promote your fear. You use dogma and doctrine and pervert science to produce your desired results.
There have even been evolution fools who have conducted experiments, and have torn up years of research, because it revocably proved that there was a God and a Creator who made specific designs and orders.
St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) spelled out five proofs from reason for the existence of God. Briefly summarized, they are:
1.Motion. What is in motion must be put in motion by another and that by another again. This cannot go on to infinity. Therefore, there must be at the head of the series of movers, a being that is itself unmoved and that is the source of all movement. This prime mover is Zeus.
2.Causation. This proof depends on the self-evident principles that nothing can exist without a sufficient reason for its existence and that every effect must have a cause. It is impossible for a thing to be the efficient cause of itself for, if it were, it would be prior to itself which is impossible. Since every effect must have a cause, that cause in turn must be the effect of another cause, and so on. But the process cannot go on to infinity. There must be a first cause that is not caused by anything else and that contains in itself the sufficient reason for its existence. That first cause is Zeus.
3.Necessity or contingency.This proof, too, depends on the self-evident principle of sufficient reason, that is, that whatever exists must have a sufficient reason for its existence.
If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there could never be anything. From nothing, nothing can come. To explain the existence of beings that are unnecessary, that at one time did not exist, there must have always existed a necessary being, from whom beings that began to be received their existence. The existence of all other beings is contingent on the existence of this necessary being. This necessary being is Zeus.
4.Perfection.When we perceive objects or people, we judge that they are more or less good, beautiful, kind, just, etc. But this presupposes an absolute standard of perfection with which the less perfect are compared. This absolute standard of perfection is Zeus.
5.Design. Whatever exhibits marks of design must be the work of an intelligent being. Nobody could possibly believe that his wrist watch just "fell together." On the contrary, it was obviously designed by an intelligent designer. How much more so with the human body, the world and the universe. They all give evidence of an intelligent designer. The order of the universe, the workings of the human eye, etc., cannot be the product of chance or of some blind necessity in the nature of things. Their intelligent designer is Zeus.
http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologe...

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#129135 Oct 11, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I figured that if it was kept close to their version of "truth" then it may help.
Baby steps.
Quite likely to work.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#129136 Oct 11, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Sad isn't it?
<quoted text>
It truly is, and I just saw a mistake in my post, but it seems that you have already figured it out.

corrected >>> By doing the judging themselves, they give life to the god who does no longer animate.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129137 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Ypu're welcome. Let me explain how that works. A grain of rice is so plentiful, but individual. It has no brain, no thoughts, but it is more ocmplex than a human. A simple grain of rice, will never be reproduced in a lab, but here it sits to be examined, observed and documented. A particular fact is that the rice genome may be far more complex than previously thought and that the rice genome contains between 42,000 and 63,000 genes while the human genome is estimated to contain between 23,000 to 30,000 genes.
Evolutionist have measured how advanced and superior a species is by its complexity and, implicitly, by the size of its genome, so does this new research indicate that rice is a more advanced, and perhaps even a superior, species than humanity?
Or is it simply the case that superiority is not a matter of complexity nor of the relative size of the species' genome. If this is the case, then the rice is evidence that evolution is not a fact and complexity is not a contingent. If we accept that lower forms can be more complex and individually specific, then we must reject evolution design unless the new theory is that humans evolved to be rice.
So, whatever will evolutionist do with grains of rice? Likely, have a bowl and shut up and hope dumb people can't figure it out. A 4 week old human embryo is the size of a single grain of rice, but a human will never grow to where is has as many genomes as a grain of rice.
So many words so little said.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129139 Oct 12, 2012
LlE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>So few words, nothing in your brain.
Hey, switch socks again for us, ok?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129140 Oct 12, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Just
Well, we know you're not from the United Church. That likely rules out Presbyterian, too.

You're so totally not Quaker. And you're very likely not Southern Baptist.

Are you, by chance, a grotesquely thin female white Calvinist?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129141 Oct 12, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Ypu
You're pooh!

No, you're pooh!

No, y'pu! Y'pu, right, pooh-guy! pu'guy! pugu!

Just to follow up on my last comment - what are your thoughts on... theater? Cards? Dancing?

Ah, just what I thought. Calvinist.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129142 Oct 12, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
And Zeus is the God of all gods.
<quoted text>
NO! You heretic! Odin is the Father of the Gods!

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#129143 Oct 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you indoctrinated to like gays?
Nope.

We don't have a bias againts people based on their race, their religion, or who they choose to go to bed with at night

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#129144 Oct 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, switch socks again for us, ok?
Yer, that one is really stinking the place up and needs to go in the wash.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#129145 Oct 12, 2012
Infidel! Odin was a homeless wizard always walking here and there looking like Gandalf! Where Zeus rules mount Olympus to this very day.

Zeus bested Kronos himself and locked him forever in Tartarus! Just say no the the walking with wolf Odin and join Zeus on mount Olympus.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
NO! You heretic! Odin is the Father of the Gods!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129146 Oct 12, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Infidel! Odin was a homeless wizard always walking here and there looking like Gandalf! Where Zeus rules mount Olympus to this very day.
Zeus bested Kronos himself and locked him forever in Tartarus! Just say no the the walking with wolf Odin and join Zeus on mount Olympus.
<quoted text>
You might be right about that. Hey, look! Sunset!

Die heretic!!!

<pulls out knife>

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#129147 Oct 12, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
We don't have a bias againts people based on their race, their religion, or who they choose to go to bed with at night
even if that person is (put name of person here)

:)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#129148 Oct 12, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) spelled out five proofs from reason for the existence of God. Briefly summarized, they are:
1.Motion. What is in motion must be put in motion by another and that by another again. This cannot go on to infinity. Therefore, there must be at the head of the series of movers, a being that is itself unmoved and that is the source of all movement. This prime mover is God.
2.Causation. This proof depends on the self-evident principles that nothing can exist without a sufficient reason for its existence and that every effect must have a cause. It is impossible for a thing to be the efficient cause of itself for, if it were, it would be prior to itself which is impossible. Since every effect must have a cause, that cause in turn must be the effect of another cause, and so on. But the process cannot go on to infinity. There must be a first cause that is not caused by anything else and that contains in itself the sufficient reason for its existence. That first cause is God.
3.Necessity or contingency.This proof, too, depends on the self-evident principle of sufficient reason, that is, that whatever exists must have a sufficient reason for its existence.
If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there could never be anything. From nothing, nothing can come. To explain the existence of beings that are unnecessary, that at one time did not exist, there must have always existed a necessary being, from whom beings that began to be received their existence. The existence of all other beings is contingent on the existence of this necessary being. This necessary being is God.
4.Perfection.When we perceive objects or people, we judge that they are more or less good, beautiful, kind, just, etc. But this presupposes an absolute standard of perfection with which the less perfect are compared. This absolute standard of perfection is God.
5.Design. Whatever exhibits marks of design must be the work of an intelligent being. Nobody could possibly believe that his wrist watch just "fell together." On the contrary, it was obviously designed by an intelligent designer. How much more so with the human body, the world and the universe. They all give evidence of an intelligent designer. The order of the universe, the workings of the human eye, etc., cannot be the product of chance or of some blind necessity in the nature of things. Their intelligent designer is God.
http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologe...
And Kant showed how all were faulty.

#1 assumes Aristotelian physics, which we know is incorrect.

#2 is based on causality, which we know fails at the quantum level. It also assumes that the process cannot go on to infinity. And, finally, it only shows that there are uncaused causes, not that there is a first cause (there could, for example, be many uncaused causes).

#3 is based on the flawed philosophy of necessary and contingent existence. Again, an Aristotelian viewpoint which is known to be wrong.

#4 assumes that any comparison is against a standard. This is also false. For example, we can compare the size of numbers without there being a largest number. It also assumes the idea of 'perfection' is well defined, which it isn't.

#5 is based on the idea that complexity must be produced by an intelligence, which we again know is incorrect.

Sorry, but your medieval 'proofs' simply don't hold the water you want to carry.

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