Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#128659 Oct 9, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Go to the gym.
You're nothing but a coward.

You made an accusation.

I told you it was false, and asked you to back it up.

And this is your reply?

So I'm calling you out, as a liar and as a coward.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#128660 Oct 9, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>yer rum is in me bum.
You keep it then. I'll get a new bottle.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128661 Oct 9, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Interesting point. A father at work had this to say about young females in provocative dress at public functions. It attracts attention from everyone. Even the attention they do not want. The psychos, for example. In large crowds they are there. Every psycho in the crowd loves the way they dress.
I would guess, not just the psychos.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128662 Oct 9, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're nothing but a coward.
You made an accusation.
I told you it was false, and asked you to back it up.
And this is your reply?
So I'm calling you out, as a liar and as a coward.
You're a liar because it ain't false.

I don't have to prove it to you.

What was it I said, anyhow?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128663 Oct 9, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are there so many more painting of naked women than men?
Don’t get me wrong, a nicely muscled male body is extremely attractive to cuddle up to but artistically the female form has them beat 8 times out of 10
The average man doesn't look as good as the average woman, that's for sure.

When I lived in Hawaii, I saw some stunning bodies, though. Both sexes, hard to take your gaze off of them. It was like watching living statues.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128664 Oct 9, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren't trying to take my freedom are you?
It only applies to those who would try to do so.
Now what would you do to be free to choose to do things like
go to school in Hawaii or whatever?
No, I actually prefer you to have your freedom.

But...you might want to say "defend my freedom at all costs" instead of "murder you for my freedom."

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#128665 Oct 9, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Only if the rapist was a member of "their group".
Happens all the time in certain cultures, true.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#128666 Oct 9, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Your previous comment didn't answer anything. You just avoided that you said that a person can incite rape upon themselves by attempting to call me a rapist.
So...if someone calls you a rapist, you turn into one?

I'm going to try a different tactic:

You extremely rich and giving young man!

(my address is...)
better not tell

Pell City, AL

#128667 Oct 9, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
What has pretty and famine go to do with anything. DF is not as shallow as you
We now have a poll which suggests that one out of every five Americans are deluded and going to Hell. Looks like you are one of the pitied 20% too stupid to understand your problem:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/1...

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128668 Oct 9, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
It's modern agenda driven..
The decisions are based on the evidence. The agenda is objectivity.

That is the agenda. Honesty.
[QUOTE who=""]It is not neutral. If you look at it from a historical perspective then he numbers change..[/QUOTE] It is very neutral.
The difference you see now is that the evidence is actually followed and personal desires for a belief to be confirmed do not factor into the conclusions.

Face it, religious archaeological methods and scientists are finally being honest about what is seen.
[QUOTE who=""]Historical scholarship has Exodus down as history..[/QUOTE] Historical scholarship was wrong. There is too much evidence that points to the biblical accounts having been embellished upon, fabricated, or adopted from older cultures.

Modern archaeological methods are showing that the origins of the Hebrew/Judaic culture were parented by Canaanite origins.

They aren't making it up. They are looking at the evidence objectively.

That is the consensus. That consensus is based in fact.

It is accurate and confirmed.
[QUOTE who=""]Moderns are the ones who say they know more than mosst in history. You quote Israel Finkelstein, not mentioning is in minority with Hebrew scholars..[/QUOTE]William G. Dever is an American archaeologist, specialising in the history of Israel and the Near East in Biblical times. Former Director of the Harvard Semitic Museum-Hebrew Union College.

Ze’ev Herzog is an Israeli archeologist, professor of archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures at Tel Aviv University specializing in social archaeology, ancient architecture and field archaeology.

Mark Stratton Smith is an American professor and Biblical scholar who currently holds the Skirball Chair of Bible and Ancient Near Eastern Studies in the Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies at New York University.

I could list name after name after name of well educated, highly respected and competent scholars and archaeologists that are not following personal agendas. They are there to perform competent work.

They are not there to lie and discredit themselves.
[QUOTE who=""]Nobody denies modern scholarship denies the Exodus..[/QUOTE] I'm glad you realize that.
[QUOTE who=""]There is nothing to concede..[/QUOTE]
You are correct, there is nothing to concede, since they are correct.
lightbeamrider wrote:
That is why they discredit themselves with the general population..
They aren't concerned with the opinions of the general population. In the past, they said what they knew the general population wanted to hear. They allowed their own desires for it to be true to dictate the outcome.

They are being honest now. Honesty does not rely on what the general population, or a personal desire, wants the evidence and conclusions to say.

You are a perfect example of that.
[QUOTE who=""]They use their position to advance personal agendas under the guise of Science..[/QUOTE] The agenda, personally and professionally is to be objective.

Nothing more.
[QUOTE who=""]They read their bias into the evidence. Reject outright evidence to the contrary. Effectually saying all the ancients were wrong on the Exodus. Jesus was wrong. Etc..[/QUOTE] That is what the evidence shows.
[QUOTE who=""]That is not happening here. I gave you the counter evidence and you reject. That is what you do..[/QUOTE] You've not supplied any evidence.

You've supplied wishes, outdated information, and unsupported assertions. Consistently.
[QUOTE who=""]Somehow thinking your atheism is validated by attacking Theism. It's not.[/QUOTE] No, if that is the case, then theists are validating their theism by presenting the truth concerning biblical scholarship and archaeology. It's their work I'm presenting.

I am atheist because there is no evidence for any deities. That decision is unrelated to biblical scholarship and archaeology.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#128669 Oct 9, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No. I don't. At least I don't think that humans know all of it. I think that humans are incredibly assumptive & arrogant. We always have been.
I think evolution, as we THINK we know it is today, is absurd. A human bone is stronger than concrete. A human hand has 1,000 miles of nerves in it. A human body has, what, 10 trillion cells in it. And that's just one human. Forget everything else. The odds of evolution happening by random chance is staggeringly high.
Your inability to understand development, biology and evolution is not an argument against evolution, biology or development.

Also, and this is an aside, humans are much, much weaker now than humans living 15000 years ago. A friend of mine dug up a woman from 26000 years ago who was strong enough to "rip apart three MMA fighters in under 6 seconds."

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#128670 Oct 9, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a liar because it ain't false.
I don't have to prove it to you.
What was it I said, anyhow?
Catcher is right, you're a coward.

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#128671 Oct 9, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahahaha! That was funny. Dawkins banging Mr. Garrision (or Mrs. Garrison, he had a sex change)
And who can forget this lovely scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VL9Pft7HoB8XX
It's not fit for children to watch.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128672 Oct 9, 2012
Lemme try this again, I was distracted.
lightbeamrider wrote:
It's modern agenda driven..
The decisions are based on the evidence. The agenda is objectivity.

That is the agenda. Honesty.
It is not neutral. If you look at it from a historical perspective then he numbers change..
It is very neutral.
The difference you see now is that the evidence is actually followed and personal desires for a belief to be confirmed do not factor into the conclusions.

Face it, religious archaeological methods and scientists are finally being honest about what is seen.
Historical scholarship has Exodus down as history..
Historical scholarship was wrong. There is too much evidence that points to the biblical accounts having been embellished upon, fabricated, or adopted from older cultures.

Modern archaeological methods are showing that the origins of the Hebrew/Judaic culture were parented by Canaanite origins.

They aren't making it up. They are looking at the evidence objectively.

That is the consensus. That consensus is based in fact.

It is accurate and confirmed.
Moderns are the ones who say they know more than mosst in history. You quote Israel Finkelstein, not mentioning is in minority with Hebrew scholars..
William G. Dever is an American archaeologist, specialising in the history of Israel and the Near East in Biblical times. Former Director of the Harvard Semitic Museum-Hebrew Union College.

Ze’ev Herzog is an Israeli archeologist, professor of archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures at Tel Aviv University specializing in social archaeology, ancient architecture and field archaeology.

Mark Stratton Smith is an American professor and Biblical scholar who currently holds the Skirball Chair of Bible and Ancient Near Eastern Studies in the Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies at New York University.

I could list name after name after name of well educated, highly respected and competent scholars and archaeologists that are not following personal agendas. They are there to perform competent work.

They are not there to lie and discredit themselves.
Nobody denies modern scholarship denies the Exodus..
I'm glad you realize that.
There is nothing to concede..

You are correct, there is nothing to concede, since they are correct.
That is why they discredit themselves with the general population..
They aren't concerned with the opinions of the general population. In the past, they said what they knew the general population wanted to hear. They allowed their own desires for it to be true to dictate the outcome.

They are being honest now. Honesty does not rely on what the general population, or a personal desire, wants the evidence and conclusions to say.

You are a perfect example of that.
They use their position to advance personal agendas under the guise of Science..
The agenda, personally and professionally is to be objective.

Nothing more.
They read their bias into the evidence. Reject outright evidence to the contrary. Effectually saying all the ancients were wrong on the Exodus. Jesus was wrong. Etc..
That is what the evidence shows.
That is not happening here. I gave you the counter evidence and you reject. That is what you do..
You've not supplied any evidence.

You've supplied wishes, outdated information, and unsupported assertions. Consistently.
Somehow thinking your atheism is validated by attacking Theism. It's not.
No, if that is the case, then theists are validating their theism by presenting the truth concerning biblical scholarship and archaeology. It's their work I'm presenting.

I am atheist because there is no evidence for any deities. That decision is unrelated to biblical scholarship and archaeology.

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#128673 Oct 9, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>No, not trolling. People should not have to walk around on egg shells for anyone, ever. People should be able to wear a shirt or say what they want or make a movie with out worry of getting murdered over it. The expectation of getting killed over an opinion should not be an expectation, ever, for anyone, not just Americans.
<quoted text>At least you noticed that much.
<quoted text>Hatred can not be encited unless those that hate allow it to be. Why should the world coddle those with thin skins?
Yeah. I promise not to smack you for calling me a slut unless you ask me to.:)

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128674 Oct 9, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> This article gives an example of the ancients who wrote of the Exodus in which ''modern scholarship'' states were all wrong because the Exodus never happened.
http://bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus...
Modern scholarship knows better? LULZ
Each one of the assertions at the site you supplied are nothing more than that. Bare assertions. There is no archaeology shown there.

You're simply wanting to believe that because figures like Josephus and others say it is so, it must be so.

Josephus wrote of Heracles more than the Jesus.

Using your method, we should accept that Heracles must have been a real figure, too.

I suspect the only portions of Josephus' writings and the others supplied at the site you linked above are the writings which support your mythology.

Not the other mythologies.

Why? Because you don't believe them to be true.

But if you did believe in Heracles=)))>>>You would be using the writings of Josephus to support your assertions that Heracles was a real historical figure.

You would also be accusing me of being "Anti- Heracles".

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#128675 Oct 9, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah. I promise not to smack you for calling me a slut unless you ask me to.:)
Busted again, huh?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128676 Oct 9, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Your tactics along with the tactics of ''modern scholarship'' is selective and therefore discredited. They do not look at all the evidence. They establish a timeline and on that basis reject the Exodus. A TIMELINE FOR THE EXODUS HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED!
The Exodus doesn't show up in any timeline.

You're missing that very important detail.

The only place that the Exodus is said to have happened is in the bible.

Outside of the bible, no matter the timeline or era being looked at, it cannot be found.
They also reject the evidence based on anti supernatural bias.
Supply unbiased evidence of the supernatural.
Like you they evidence select based on fixed criteria
By that you mean evidence that can be substantiated and verified, compelling not because you want to believe it, but because that is what the evidence shows.
That means you are not interested in the truth of the matter but only in the propagation of you revisionist anti supernatural agenda.
That means I'm interested in nothing but the truth of the matter. The evidence isn't made up.

This is available to everyone.

As far as the supernatural goes, you should supply the unbiased evidence for that.
I would add such tactics are juvenile and shoddy.
Asking you to back up what you say is juvenile and shoddy?

No, I'm being objective.

So far, all you've done in every discussion is protest and jump up and down.

The information you supply is outdated and in error.

If you had something that could be verified or was true, it would be accepted by all parties concerned.

This is why the overwhelming consensus is that the 'Exodus" never happened.

There is no evidence that it ever happened.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128677 Oct 9, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Catcher is right, you're a coward.
You are a cowardly lunatic dingaling.

Why else would you be hiding, Hiding?

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#128678 Oct 9, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a liar because it ain't false.
I don't have to prove it to you.
What was it I said, anyhow?
Very funny.

You lack self respect.

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