Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Aura Mytha]

Double Fine wrote:

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Yo
Methinks she was looking at it from the rapist's POV
Think of it this way: Although she MAY, you won't send your teen daughter out in the street, to walk in the most dangerous part of town at night. Yes, the law is on her side, but best not do anything stupid.
What me and Christine is saying is YES, you have freedoms and liberties. But use them responsibly.
People like Aura somehow twists that message, one of just exercising one's rights responsibly into some kind of anti-American rhetoric. But I think you understand it a bit better

No DF I have not twisted anything , merely stated it is a right to express yourself. I agree the film was a bad idea , but
the response was off the scale of what is acceptable.
It is not the freedom to express yourself that is at fault, nor the filmmaker for doing so(barring any laws broken in making the film) but it is unacceptable to murder someone because I didn't like it, and unacceptable to America (or me) that someone would.

[ChristineM]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> But you have become a Muslim apologist, our way is if someone is offended by someones Else's actions then sue them in court , if you have been wronged and "damaged" you can sue them.
That is the way it works Christine , no some Muslim made me mad so I have to go kill one. That's apparently acceptable behavior to Muslims. We all get the filmmaker was wrong , but the response is unacceptable and beneath me as much as you are for apologizing
for it.

Your way is irrelevant outside America

Why the hell is wrong with you? I am not apologising for anything here. I am trying to point out what responsibility is, unlike last nights threats it now appears that it’s a concept that you have only just said you understand. Each and every person is responsible for his or her own actions. As far as I know there is no law anywhere to countermand that

Reading the posts for the last couple of weeks I very much doubt whether you all get that the filmmaker was wrong. TBS, LT, Buck and others applaud his actions. It seems it’s a very American way to cheer on people who incite hatred.

[Aura Mytha]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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What? Are you saying that if a woman wears provocative clothing, it's partially her fault that she was raped?

No Christine did though.

[ChristineM]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> No Christine did though.

Not only do you offer threats you lie too. Well done and your credibility sunk even further.

[Aura Mytha]

ChristineM wrote:

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Your way is irrelevant outside America
Why the hell is wrong with you? I am not apologising for anything here. I am trying to point out what responsibility is, unlike last nights threats it now appears that it’s a concept that you have only just said you understand. Each and every person is responsible for his or her own actions. As far as I know there is no law anywhere to countermand that
Reading the posts for the last couple of weeks I very much doubt whether you all get that the filmmaker was wrong. TBS, LT, Buck and others applaud his actions. It seems it’s a very American way to cheer on people who incite hatred.

No my way is not irrelevant outside America. In fact British laws
are nearly the same in the matter. If you are wronged by someone "you" can sue them, but it doesn't give you the right to kill someone because my movie made you mad.

[ChristineM]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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That isn't true Christine , I only stated I would fight for my freedom against those who would try and take it.
In fact I have at least 150,000,000 friends that will with me.
They call us Americans^^

You said and I quote

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Sorry I will murder all of you to be free
Endquote

So not only do you lie you have set the scene for how others are going to react to you in future.

[Double Fine]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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Look I am emotionless in the matter.

Uhh Nope.

Case in point: Fu[k you! If you don't like it, fuvck you!

That was you, five pages ago.

Aura Mytha wrote:

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I really think the filmmaker was wrong. But the truth is what does the film have to do with sentencing the specific people who were murdered to die?
If I go to a movie and don't like it I will get up and leave.
It doesn't cause me to kill a German from watching a film about Nazis.

Ah okay. Nice moderated response. I will reply in kind.

I do not condone violence by anyone. Yes, the filmmaker has the right to expression. And yes, so does the people burning US flags/ Union Jacks.

But not condoning violence does NOT mean that I recommend ticking people off.

[Double Fine]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> No DF I have not twisted anything , merely stated it is a right to express yourself. I agree the film was a bad idea , but
the response was off the scale of what is acceptable.

Yes! Now we agree. That is my point.

Aura Mytha wrote:

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It is not the freedom to express yourself that is at fault, nor the filmmaker for doing so(barring any laws broken in making the film) but it is unacceptable to murder someone because I didn't like it, and unacceptable to America (or me) that someone would.

Yes, just as it is legal to wander the city streets at 4 AM. Perfectly legal. But, I have a good chance to be mugged/robbed/raped/killed/eat en/sold to slavery when wandering the streets at that time.

I am not saying we should infringe on anyones rights... I am saying we should use them responsibly.

[Dave Nelson]

Double Fine wrote:

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Yes! Now we agree. That is my point.
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Yes, just as it is legal to wander the city streets at 4 AM. Perfectly legal. But, I have a good chance to be mugged/robbed/raped/killed/eat en/sold to slavery when wandering the streets at that time.
I am not saying we should infringe on anyones rights... I am saying we should use them responsibly.

Goes to show you there is evil in the world. Not just action/reaction or seeking food.

That movie was opportunity. Used as a justification to incite for political reasons more than moral or religious. There has been far worse mockery of Jesus than on these forums than of Mohammed in that movie. Mohammed was a man, Jesus was supposed to be part of divinity.

James Holmes is a strange case. Highly intelligent, educated and informed, yet instead of targeting cops or the bad boys in the hood, he attacked total innocents, and spent some time preparing for it. Up jumped the devil. He was enabled by the dark stuff presented on the media.

These forums may be a vent to release anger on the part of disaffected people, but it is also media. Seeds planted. There is too much emotion in the arguments, and too little rationality.

[Lil Ticked]

ChristineM wrote:

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Now where did I say ALL? Oh I see lying again, well done.
From what I have seen most of the population (not all by any means) but certainly the majority dislike Muslims. GWBush saw to that in his frustration at not being able to get to those responsible for 9/11 he chose to discredit a religion with the government backing him up.
You may call it a stupid movie, I call it I a deliberate exercise in inciting hatred. Neither is the point, the point is that people are responsible for their actions
Please read my previous reply to inciting rape reply because I am not repeating just for your sexual excitement

Your previous comment didn't answer anything. You just avoided that you said that a person can incite rape upon themselves by attempting to call me a rapist.

[Double Fine]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Goes to show you there is evil in the world. Not just action/reaction or seeking food.
That movie was opportunity. Used as a justification to incite for political reasons more than moral or religious. There has been far worse mockery of Jesus than on these forums than of Mohammed in that movie. Mohammed was a man, Jesus was supposed to be part of divinity.
James Holmes is a strange case. Highly intelligent, educated and informed, yet instead of targeting cops or the bad boys in the hood, he attacked total innocents, and spent some time preparing for it. Up jumped the devil. He was enabled by the dark stuff presented on the media.
These forums may be a vent to release anger on the part of disaffected people, but it is also media. Seeds planted. There is too much emotion in the arguments, and too little rationality.

Great last sentence.

"When the emotion rises, the IQ drops" - Double Fine

[lightbeamrider]

scaritual wrote:

If you can't rebut the points or evidence supplied, that's fine, concede the points raised.

Your tactics along with the tactics of ''modern scholarship'' is selective and therefore discredited. They do not look at all the evidence. They establish a timeline and on that basis reject the Exodus. A TIMELINE FOR THE EXODUS HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED! They also reject the evidence based on anti supernatural bias. Like you they evidence select based on fixed criteria. That means you are not interested in the truth of the matter but only in the propagation of you revisionist anti supernatural agenda. I would add such tactics are juvenile and shoddy.

[ChristineM]

Lil Ticked wrote:

<quoted text>Your previous comment didn't answer anything. You just avoided that you said that a person can incite rape upon themselves by attempting to call me a rapist.

Right

Perhaps you need to re-read the comment

[RiversideRedneck]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

Evolution is the simple outcome of genes, mutation and limited resources. It's a mathematical equation that describes allelic (genes) frequency changes in gene pools. That is established, it won't be superseded. We are building on this knowledge now, not questioning it. For it to be superseded, you'd have to demonstrate that genes don't really exist, mutations don't really exist or the world has unlimited resources or every child successfully survives to adulthood and reproduces the same number of children as everyone else.
Do you believe any of those absurdities?

No. I don't. At least I don't think that humans know all of it. I think that humans are incredibly assumptive & arrogant. We always have been.

I think evolution, as we THINK we know it is today, is absurd. A human bone is stronger than concrete. A human hand has 1,000 miles of nerves in it. A human body has, what, 10 trillion cells in it. And that's just one human. Forget everything else. The odds of evolution happening by random chance is staggeringly high.

[RiversideRedneck]

ChristineM wrote:

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No you moron, invisible foreigners
Lean to read

OK, smart guy. I'll LEAN to read....

LMFAO - You CAN'T be funny, huh?

[RiversideRedneck]

Double Fine wrote:

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Yes. Because the public are uninformed of the facts and the merits of the theory

Yes but that study wasn't done on the public, but on scientists. so...

[Dave Nelson]

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/surv...

Read carefully. Very few what you call true "atheists", the OVERWHELMING percentage just haven't found their niche, whether they are looking for it or not.

Enculturated or not, it is a reality.

The crazies on here will feel those unaffiliated are on their side, that they are winning a war.

[ChristineM]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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OK, smart guy. I'll LEAN to read....
LMFAO - You CAN'T be funny, huh?

I thought it was funny

[ChristineM]

Dave Nelson wrote:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/ 2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five- americans-is-religiously-unaff iliated/?hpt=hp_c2
Read carefully. Very few what you call true "atheists", the OVERWHELMING percentage just haven't found their niche, whether they are looking for it or not.
Enculturated or not, it is a reality.
The crazies on here will feel those unaffiliated are on their side, that they are winning a war.

Right, we will all take notice of a religious blog

That’s almost as screwy as davesworld imagination

[Happy Lesbo]

Double Fine wrote:

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Yo
Methinks she was looking at it from the rapist's POV
Think of it this way: Although she MAY, you won't send your teen daughter out in the street, to walk in the most dangerous part of town at night. Yes, the law is on her side, but best not do anything stupid.
What me and Christine is saying is YES, you have freedoms and liberties. But use them responsibly.
People like Aura somehow twists that message, one of just exercising one's rights responsibly into some kind of anti-American rhetoric. But I think you understand it a bit better

.. haven't formed an opinion in this debate, trying to find a comparison. Let's try this:

.. a pedophile in America films the rape of a child.(s)He is arrested and found guilty of an illegal act based on law ..

.. a director produces an anti-Mohammed film in Iran.(s)He is arrested and found guilty of an illegal act based on law ..

.. Iran may ignore the rape of a 12-year-old girl, America the filming of an anti-Mohammed film ..

.. so, what's the solution ??..