Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Oct 8, 2012
 
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Not even. That's pure silly and you know it too.
Just let him know that there is no such thing as hell not even in the Bible.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.ht...
"As we can see, after 350 years of saying Jonah was in "hell," the New King James finally admitted he wasn't there after all. He was in Sheol, like everyone else who has died. Many people have come out of the grave. The Bible is full of examples"
It is a bit of TLDR.

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Here's a simple observation for you. You are either a muslim or you wish your were. You are a bigot; you hate all christians and anyone who does not love the muslims. muslims and christians are the same. Some are horrible people and some not some, not so much.
Hereís another simple observation, you guess a lot.

You guess all this because I expect people to be responsible for their own actions? How clever of you, I didnít realise that was an anti christian stance.

If I wanted to be a Muslim I could very easily convert to become a Muslim. In the UK (as I believe there is in the US) there is ample opportunity and freedom of religion is important, I suppose more to you than me because it is written into the US constitution.

I personally donít hold with the idea of gods and prophets. I am more one for logic and fact so no religion would suit me. I have faith in people not groups and I do not hate christians, I dislike some christians, usually the more hard line funnymentalists and blood lust freaks. That does not limit itself to any particular religion though, I dislike funnymentalism, radicalisation and violence in anyone. If in your opinion that denotes bigotry then so be it. I donít actually care much for your opinion anyway.

That is what I have been saying all along, yes the majority are the same, they just want to get on with their lives without some pratt sticking a gun up there butts and pulling the trigger.

It seems that the main difference between us is that I expect people to be responsible for their own actions, you expect everyone to be responsible except Americans

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Oct 8, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>An apologist site, that gets it's info from other apologist sites.
Now you go after the site. Fact being it is all over the internet.
Here is an example of the wonderfully hilarious self deception that one of the "sources" engages in:
"Is the inscription authentic? The court held only that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the inscription was a forgery. But it surely did not find that the inscription was authentic. I have no doubt, however, that it is."
If it is not a forgery then it is authentic.
And that was the closest anyone came to a positive statement of the inscriptions history. It is not authentic, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be fake. But the headlines won't tell you this, no, they read as if they is no doubt at all as to it's authenticity.
How do you not see this stuff? It's like if someone agrees with you, no matter how flimsy their reasoning or how far fetched their logic, you just take it and run with it. And anything that might damage your god belief is completely ignored.
Methinks you are enslaved to your atheism which blinds you to reality.

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Oct 8, 2012
 
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Nudity is normal. Nudity is not sexual. Sex is sexual.
Yes I agree but civilised behaviour has its dictates. There are extremes out there, perverts and religious nuts who get either sexually aroused or drop to there knees and pray. You can encounter both on these very pages.

Last week I watched a repeat of a program ďMy Breast and IĒ with Jenny Frost. She concluded the documentary in New York where public nudity is not illegal. The complains by christians and the goggle eyes of the gawkers said it all.

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Oct 8, 2012
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, they're all equally out there.
That would be my assessment , all mainstream Abrahamic religions are equally based on some sort of biblical mythology. I see no need to demonize one over the other, doing that is only politically motivated. AKA: Propaganda

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Oct 8, 2012
 
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The Ermitage Papyrus.
I feel the need to point out that the information I did find concerning the 'Ermitage Papyrus", included sites that are "end times" "axis swap", and world cataclysm >in the future and in the past>.
On much shakier ground is a claim by Dr. Paul Schliemann, grandson of the famous Heinrich Schliemann, that among other relics relating to Atlantis he discovered an Egyptian papyrus in the Hermitage at Leningrad which said: "Pharoah Sent sent out an expedition to the west in search of Atlantis from whence 3350 years before the Egyptians arrived carrying with themselves all the wisdom of their native land.(Schliemann, 1912)
This papyrus has never been seen by anyone else, so it remains in limbo. Had Schliemann used the term "Land of the West" instead of "Atlantis" it would be a little more believable. However, I did find that there actually was a pharoah with the unlikely name Sent. Pharoah Sent, or Senta, was the fifth king of the 2nd Dynasty who ruled approximately 4000 B.C.(Budge, 1960)" http://www.wendag.com/forum/showthread.php/42...
"In Worlds in Collision, Velikovsky wrote, "This papyrus bewails the terrible devastation wrought by the upheaval of nature. In the Ermitage Papyrus [Petersburg 1116b recto] also, reference is made to a catastrophe that turned the 'land upside down; happens that which never (yet) had happened.' It is assumed that at that time ~ in the second millennium ~ people were not aware of the daily rotation of the earth, and believed that the firmament with its luminaries turned around the earth; therefore, the expression,'the earth turned over,' does not refer to the daily rotation of the globe."55
The Ermitage Papyrus (1116B recto) containing Neferrohu's prophecy, quoted earlier and above, also declares, "I show thee the land upside down; that happens which never happened before. Men shall take up weapons of war; the land lives in uproar. All good things have departed."
http://www.henryzecher.com/papyrus_ipuwer.htm
Fringe "woo woo", in other words. I don't think it helps the biblical claims.
Monolith of El-Arish.
"In the 19th Century, archeologists discovered a piece of black granite in El Arish, Egypt (a town found in the Sinai). The locals were using the granite as a watering trough. When archeologists first came across it, they noticed the hieroglyphic carvings all over it. While the text was for the most part destroyed on one side, there were other parts that were still legible .
It would appear that this was a kind of monolith. Some researchers hold that it was erected just ahead of Persia‚&#128;&#153;s invasion of the area in 525 BC. Other researchers believe the monolith4 to date sometime during the period of Ptolemaic rule (305-30 BC) over Egypt5.
(...)Arguments persist that this is nothing more than a metaphor or ancient folklore. Adding to some of the discord is that a good portion of the inscription has been worn away over time or is just indeterminate." http://www.christianevidences.org/el-arish-in...
These last two references you've supplied do not appear to relate to the "Exodus", in any way.
You're hurting your case.
Some make the connect. i would point out the obvious connections between Exodus and Ipuwer is rejected based on dating only a few understand who probably have the bible down as fictional until proven factual. The two camps assume different time lines. The Hyskos were the biblical Amelekites. Ermitage is about some catastrophe which happened years ago. If the revisionists were wrong about David why should we assume they are right about Moses and the Exodus?

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Oct 8, 2012
 
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Righto! That must be why Hugh Hefner is so rich...because nudity isn't remotely sexual to men.
It depends on context. The appeal of porn is prurient. Beautiful women in a sexual mannor.

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<quoted text> It depends on context. The appeal of porn is prurient. Beautiful women in a sexual mannor.
Just to be clear. Naked women appeal to other women as well or am I the only one?

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<quoted text>It seems that the main difference between us is that I expect people to be responsible for their own actions, you expect everyone to be responsible except Americans
That is the most ignorant goddamn bullshit that you have put out, in a day or so.
The man broke no laws, in the country that he was in. IT IS THAT FU[KING SIMPLE. No one, including mussies, can murder, because they are offended. IT IS THAT FU[KING SIMPLE.

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Come to think of it, IANS has been missing for a few days.
You know he hasn't been doing those laps around that donut with his feet. Too big. He has been doing it with his mind in his spare time.
That little fatty acid ring and the Higg's boson in Hiding's lab.
I wonder...
Could IANS have made that final lap and then ran into God? Or a piece of him, anyhow? Right there on his donut. The resultant phase shifts sent Hiding further into the twilight zone, and IANS only God knows where?
09Oct12.....

.....He's having a 'leg-over' with 'christineM'...the first he's had in a long, long time and she needs the 'knee-trembler'.

Ps:.....'hidingDumbView' takes part sometimes by emptying the pissPot as they have very poor plumbing in da UK. Just ask Paul McCartney.

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Marijuana Amnesty Day.
Each person gets to pick their own day, as many as you want.
09Oct12.....

.....hateful, hypocritical, hAtheist BonFire Day.

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I don't trust the medications out there today, but I know what weed does. I could use some every once in a while.
09Oct12.....

.....LIAR...

Ps:...No you don't. Dat's vhy you use some every once in a while.

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That is the most ignorant goddamn bullshit that you have put out, in a day or so.
The man broke no laws, in the country that he was in. IT IS THAT FU[KING SIMPLE. No one, including mussies, can murder, because they are offended. IT IS THAT FU[KING SIMPLE.
I really didnít think you were that stupidÖ

When did I ever say he broke any FU[KING laws in the country he was in?(I do love to see meltdown every now and again). I said he was RESPONSIBLE for making that film. Please LOOK UP the meaning of the word responsible.

It certainly wasnít me who is responsible for making that film, it probably wasnít you. It was not any god and it was not joe bloggs in the next town. He made the film, he edited the film (to be deliberately offensive) he is responsible for making it, no one else, just him. It does not matter if he is American or the man from Mars, he made the film, he is responsible for making the film.

That does not excuse murder no matter what the provocation but it does not distract from the fact that HE IS RESPONSIBLE for making and releasing that film.

Oh look at that we can all post in capitals

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Just to be clear. Naked women appeal to other women as well or am I the only one?
I have to admit that a naked female body is considerably more attractive to look at than a naked male body.

But in a darkened room who is considering aesthetics?

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<quoted text>09Oct12.....
.....He's having a 'leg-over' with 'christineM'...the first he's had in a long, long time and she needs the 'knee-trembler'.
Ps:.....'hidingDumbView' takes part sometimes by emptying the pissPot as they have very poor plumbing in da UK. Just ask Paul McCartney.
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Shut up you foolish piece of sh*t.

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I have to admit that a naked female body is considerably more attractive to look at than a naked male body.
But in a darkened room who is considering aesthetics?
Why is the room dark?

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Shut up you foolish piece of sh*t.
I almost read two of Bob's posts. Then I didn't.

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Oct 8, 2012
 
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>worthless, ignorant dribble.
Nothing more to add.

Thank god, we Americans are still allowed to own guns! Mussies, or any other nutter group, would certainly be put in their place over here.

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Oct 8, 2012
 
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No kidding. My friends mean the religious here, btw.
""These groundbreaking discoveries have completely changed our view of the development and cellular specialisation. We now understand that the mature cell does not have to be confined forever to its specialised state," the Nobel Assembly said in a statement following the announcement."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/world/europe/sw...

Looks like evolution could have been on the fast track. A certain mind over matter aspect to force adaptation without having to wait for random mutations.

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That is the most ignorant goddamn bullshit that you have put out, in a day or so.
The man broke no laws, in the country that he was in. IT IS THAT FU[KING SIMPLE. No one, including mussies, can murder, because they are offended. IT IS THAT FU[KING SIMPLE.
The law has nothing to do with it.

Freedom of speech exists, yes, but one must excercise it with discretion.

Think of the blade falling the other way - how many Muslims burnt the American flag after 9/11? It is a statment they made, and they are free to make it.

Just because they MAY make it, does not mean that they SHOULD. I find the film as disgusting as I found the flag burning after 9/11.

People must excercise common sense. If I am white, going to the black part of town and burning a Malcolm X/ Nelson Mandela poster will probably get me beaten up.

Yes, the boy in question has a RIGHT to air his views, even if it is supremacist BS. But we have to accept that our views may incite anger and in some cases, rage.

Just because there is no law against flicking boogers in a restaurant, is no reason to start doing so.

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