Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Anon]

Gate Keeper 1 wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe, he wassimply reacting to Obama, who in 2009, declared gay pederast Harvey Milks Day and Obama said "He came to recruit us all and to change America".

Broun's proposal was in May 2009, Obama's declaration was in August 2009.

[Richardfs]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.
He is chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
Vice chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
And on these two committees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.
Has done well in just 5 years. Must have something on the ball.

No, all it demonstrates is the low level of education of those who voted for him.

If he is representative of the caliber of your elected officials and he been placed in position of responsibility then it is no wonder the US is going down hill.

[Happy Lesbo]

Eagle12 wrote:

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There’s always opposition to Jewish history.
The most hated people in all the world just because of their recorded history and belief in the One True God.
Information against pre War World II Jewish history can’t be trusted. Even in these times there’s people making claims there wasn’t even a holocaust.

.. it's funny how Christians now embrace Jews after thousands of years of persecution ..

.. why is that ??..

[Drew Smith]

What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?
Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?
When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?

Dave Nelson wrote:

He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.

I didn't ask what the evidence was that he had an education. I asked you what the evidence was that he is "intelligent". Please answer the question that was actually asked.

Dave Nelson wrote:

He is chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
Vice chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

And does he have to take an intelligence test to be appointed to those positions?

Or just know the right people?

Which is it?

Dave Nelson wrote:

And on these two committees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

And being a member of a House committee is evidence of intelligence? Aren't *all* Representatives members of committees?

Dave Nelson wrote:

He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.

Imagine that: A Republican winning by a large majority in a district dominated by Republicans.

Not exactly an impressive achievement.

[Richardfs]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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Anyone who doesn't "believe" in evolution doesn't understand science. Period. So a politician who is on a committee for Science and Technology who doesn't understand science is dangerous. Where do you think such an uninformed, ignorant man is going to take your good country?
Do you believe that kind of man is the right person for the job? Will he be able to push reforms so that you can compete with China?

How long will it be before the US becomes a basket case and the laughing stock of the world.

[Catcher1]

Eagle12 wrote:

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If evolution has such a convincing argument.

I'll reply, as soon as you fix your statement so that it becomes a sentence.

[Catcher1]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Keep your day job.

No se preocupe.

[Catcher1]

Eagle12 wrote:

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There’s always opposition to Jewish history.

I have a friend who makes Jewish beer.

He brews it.

[scaritual]

lightbeamrider wrote:

<quoted text> Found your post and it is not where your link goes. The date is in dispute. It is similiar to the book of Lamentations. You are fixating on alleged differences in dating and ignoring how the text is similar to the Exodus account. Not a surprise. Gonna try this link again.
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html

From your link: "The information we have regarding the provenance of the Papyrus Ipuwer is that it was copied by 19th Dynasty scribes and constitutes a part of what is known as the Papyrus Leiden 334."

Notice, that it says it was >copied< in the 19th Dynasty.

More about the 19th Dynasty and timeline.

"The Pharaohs of the 19th dynasty ruled for approximately one hundred and ten years: from ca 1292 to 1187 BCE." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Dynas...

As I said before, the dates do not match. Some more information.

"An Egyptian named Ipuwer wrote it at the end of the Middle Kingdom, around 1650 B.C.E.; scribes copied it in the 19th Dynasty, in the 1200s B.C.E" - Roger Isaacs, Author,'Talking With God'

Ipuwer Papyrus info @wikipedia.

"The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.
The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer

Old Kingdom 2686–2181 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom

The First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia...

Middle Kingdom 2055–1650 BCE - The Middle Kingdom of Egypt is the period in the history of ancient Egypt stretching from the establishment of the Eleventh Dynasty to the end of the Thirteenth Dynasty, between 2055 BCE and 1650 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Kingdom_o...

13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE for 153 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...

2nd Intermediate Period 1650–1550 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intermedi...

Apologetic sites still utilize the data that is in error, and that's not suprising.

There is plenty of information concerning the correct dating and age of the Ipuwer Papyrus and the reasons for those dates.

You are welcome to provide any proof that will rebut the above.

[Dave Nelson]

Happy Lesbo wrote:

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.. it's funny how Christians now embrace Jews after thousands of years of persecution ..
.. why is that ??..

Televangelism starting in the 70's. Pat Robertson and crowd.

The primary support of Israel was the liberal Democrats up until Jimmy Carter and the Camp David accords, with a backlash by the liberals against treatment of the Palestians. Israel's rightwing was in trouble. Then up pops the televangelists on the media, very much Christian Zionists, who became very Republican and hawkish about total support for Israel. Prior to this Republicans were not known for being big fans of Israel.

I've witnessed the changes myself.

Funny coincidence, isn't it?

[Hidingfromyou]

Eagle12 wrote:

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There’s always opposition to Jewish history.
The most hated people in all the world just because of their recorded history and belief in the One True God.
Information against pre War World II Jewish history can’t be trusted. Even in these times there’s people making claims there wasn’t even a holocaust.

No, no, the Hindus have the One True God, too. So do the Buddhists - and Buddha was nice enough to keep that hidden.

Hey, if you have found "the one true god" can you tell me why Mormons exist? Did they find the "one true Christianity"? And, if so, why aren't you a Mormon?

[Givemeliberty]

As hom attacks the concession speech of one who knows they have lost.

I accept your surrender my weak winded Christhole.

Eagle12 wrote:

<quoted text>Go comb the gnats out of your hair and for crying out loud buy some flea drops for that poor cat.

[Givemeliberty]

I prefer the honest if at times seemingly cold nature of reality than a comforting delusion.

modernhippie wrote:

I hope you all don't mind my interrupting your boxing match, but may I pose a question?
If you could use your imagination for a moment and pull back from your current convictions, then contemplate that you now have the ultimate choice.
That whatever you WISHED to be true would be so.
Would it be different from what you feel certain of now?
My question is experimental in nature, not meant to be inflammatory.

[Hidingfromyou]

Richardfs wrote:

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How long will it be before the US becomes a basket case and the laughing stock of the world.

Uhm...ah...I hate to tell you this...but...ah...

Well, we're rooting for you!

[Givemeliberty]

Bottom line you refuse to accept facts when they go against what your preacher teaches.

lightbeamrider wrote:

<quoted text>Found your post and it is not where your link goes. The date is in dispute. It is similiar to the book of Lamentations. You are fixating on alleged differences in dating and ignoring how the text is similar to the Exodus account. Not a surprise. Gonna try this link again.

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html

[Catcher1]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Televangelism starting in the 70's. Pat Robertson and crowd.
The primary support of Israel was the liberal Democrats up until Jimmy Carter and the Camp David accords, with a backlash by the liberals against treatment of the Palestians. Israel's rightwing was in trouble. Then up pops the televangelists on the media, very much Christian Zionists, who became very Republican and hawkish about total support for Israel. Prior to this Republicans were not known for being big fans of Israel.
I've witnessed the changes myself.
Funny coincidence, isn't it?

Republicans, conservatives, are very hawkish in support of Israel, yes.

But make no mistake--there's plenty of anti-semitism among the mainstream American Christian populace.

Let's ask some of our folks on these threads what they think of Jews.

[Dave Nelson]

Drew Smith wrote:

What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?
Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?
When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?
<quoted text>
I didn't ask what the evidence was that he had an education. I asked you what the evidence was that he is "intelligent". Please answer the question that was actually asked.
<quoted text>
And does he have to take an intelligence test to be appointed to those positions?
Or just know the right people?
Which is it?
<quoted text>
And being a member of a House committee is evidence of intelligence? Aren't *all* Representatives members of committees?
<quoted text>
Imagine that: A Republican winning by a large majority in a district dominated by Republicans.
Not exactly an impressive achievement.

You are dissing Hiding and her fellow "informed" and educated" cream of the human race.

You are upset because he is a Republican.

I remember the day when the South was Yellow Dog Democrat. They would vote for a yellow dog before voting for a Republican. Now the South is Republican. Guess the Democrats did something wrong.

Georgia is actually a pretty progressive state.

[scaritual]

Eagle12 wrote:

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There’s always opposition to Jewish history.
The most hated people in all the world just because of their recorded history and belief in the One True God.
Information against pre War World II Jewish history can’t be trusted. Even in these times there’s people making claims there wasn’t even a holocaust.

I'm not disputing the Holocaust. Additionally, even Judaic scholars recognize that the "Exodus", has no proof outside of biblical mention.

The Ipuwer Papyrus is agreed to have been written, based upon references within the Papyrus to initially as early as the First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia... , and no later than , 13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was which was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...

[modernhippie]

Intelligence doesn't make you smart. The evidence is is here. Memorized scriptures being spit out void of Spirit, and highly educated people claiming that theirs' is the voice of reason yet can't express themselves without insults and right hooks. Your words echo hateful and stupid.

I'm out of here.

[Tide with Beach]

scaritual wrote:

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I'm not disputing the Holocaust. Additionally, even Judaic scholars recognize that the "Exodus", has no proof outside of biblical mention.
The Ipuwer Papyrus is agreed to have been written, based upon references within the Papyrus to initially as early as the First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia... , and no later than , 13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was which was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...

National Lampoon's Exodus.

"Milk! Honey! Hells yeah!"