Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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Since: Mar 07

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#128237 Oct 7, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you all ever listen to what you say? You seem okay with the US being a gayocracy or athiocracy. How polarizing is it for the president of the US to come out and say that he supports same sex marriage when 44 states do not and neither does the constitution and the Supreme Court that he hates?
It appears that your personal beliefs hold back science, because all evidence supports an earth no older than 7,000 years.
According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only about 200 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2005...
10.10 Conclusion

Let's briefly summarise how YECs such as Davies and Sarfati are correct and incorrect. First, in their favour, they are correct on:

The frequency of supernovae occurrence in our Galaxy

However, that's actually it. This is the only point in their favour. In contrast, they are completely incorrect about the following:

The number of actual, observable SNRs in our Galaxy.
The typical observable lifetime of SNRs.
The evolutionary timescales of SNRs.
The uniformity (or lack thereof) of SNR characteristics.
The presence of Radiative SNRs.
The difficulty of finding SNRs.
The distance to SNRs.

In others words, just about everything. In addition, the methodology that they use to calculate the numbers of SNRs they claim should be present is hopelessly wrong. They have also engaged in repeated misquotation, selective interpretation of the data and indeed, selective ignorance of data which disagrees with their conclusions. They are quick to assert that astronomers are confused and bewildered about the so-called "mystery of the missing supernova remnants". This however, is an assertion completely without foundation. There is no mystery. The YECs are making the mystery up themselves. They are completely wrong:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/supernova/

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#128238 Oct 7, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?
Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?
When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?
He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.

He is chairman of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

Vice chairman of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

And on these two committees:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...

He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.

Has done well in just 5 years. Must have something on the ball.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#128239 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.
He is chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
Vice chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
And on these two committees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.
Has done well in just 5 years. Must have something on the ball.
BTW, he changed his medical practice to house calls only in 2002.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128240 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am.
The man has more education and experience in science and technology than you do. For that reason, and his probable higher intelligence, morality, maturity, and education, I would choose him over you any time to hold a position of responsibility and authority over me and you.
How's that?
Dave, I singled you out for a response for a reason.

That is exactly what I expected.

Now go suck on a magnet and don't mix it with Viagra.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128241 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
He has a BS in chemistry and is an MD.
He is chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
Vice chairman of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
And on these two committees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ho...
He became a Congressman in 2007. Has won re-elections by large majorities. Not even contested this coming one.
Has done well in just 5 years. Must have something on the ball.
That's where we are today.

Troglodytes in Congress.

A young earther who denies evolution and dreams of hell.

Go figure.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128242 Oct 7, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Noticed no response from you regarding the Ipuwer Papyrus.
http://www.specialityinterests.net/ipuwer.htm...
Still think Jesus ''probably'' existed?
I had previously responded to EMS servant in this post http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TUGI0DVLL... concerning the Ipuwer Papyrus. The dates for the Ipuwer Papyrus and its date of origin do not align with the "Exodus" myth.

Simply, it just doesn't add up.

Ipuwer Papyrus info @wikipedia.

"The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.
The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer

Old Kingdom 2686Ė2181 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom

The First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia...

Middle Kingdom 2055Ė1650 BCE - The Middle Kingdom of Egypt is the period in the history of ancient Egypt stretching from the establishment of the Eleventh Dynasty to the end of the Thirteenth Dynasty, between 2055 BCE and 1650 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Kingdom_o...

13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE for 153 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...

2nd Intermediate Period 1650Ė1550 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intermedi...

Wakhare Khety I (also Akhtoy) was a pharaoh of the Ninth dynasty of Egypt who reigned ca. 2150BCE during the First Intermediary Period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhare_Khety_I

Wankhare Khety II was a local ruler of the Egyptian 9th / 10th Dynasty during the First Intermediate Period (ca. 21st century BC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankhare_Khety_I...

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/ipu...

The dates assigned back in the early 1900's have been shown to be inaccurate, and are not the accepted dates today.

Apologetic sites still utilize the data that is in error, and that's not surprising.

There is plenty of information concerning the correct dating and age of the Ipuwer Papyrus and the reasons for those dates.

You are welcome to provide any proof that will rebut the above.
BraunNose

North Augusta, SC

#128244 Oct 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheists don't like the Georgia congressman because of 3 reasons.
1. He's Christian.
2. He's intelligent.
3. He doesn't believe in evolution as other scientists have guessed it to be.
.
Atheists would really love to shut down his 1st Amendment rights
I've not heard anyone say they didn't like Braun. He is a very likable person.
Even intelligent people can be both wrong and superstitious.
Just because scientist don't know every single detail of how life on earth evolved doesn't disprove evolution.

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#128245 Oct 7, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>

Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence,
This is a lie.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#128246 Oct 7, 2012
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#128247 Oct 7, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?
Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?
When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?
Let's not forget he introduced legislation declaring 2010 as the "Year of the Bible".

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#128248 Oct 7, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I had previously responded to EMS servant in this post http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TUGI0DVLL... concerning the Ipuwer Papyrus. The dates for the Ipuwer Papyrus and its date of origin do not align with the "Exodus" myth.
Found your post and it is not where your link goes. The date is in dispute. It is similiar to the book of Lamentations. You are fixating on alleged differences in dating and ignoring how the text is similar to the Exodus account. Not a surprise. Gonna try this link again.

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#128249 Oct 7, 2012
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's not forget he introduced legislation declaring 2010 as the "Year of the Bible".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Bibl...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/03/year...

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#128250 Oct 7, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
A phillistine.
A troglodyte.
Glad you asked.
Now run along.
I didnít see any reference to him being a Speleologist.

Obviously you see him in a derogatory way. Itís not his fault that science of evolution is mostly unproven hype. Every time evolution is challenged. Evolutionist and their supporters start reaching for their baseball bats.

There convincing philosophy is to beat the hell out of the deniers of Evolution. Evolution is the only science with this type enforcement arm. If evolution has such a convincing argument. Why do evolutionist need such combative enforcement?

Iíll tell you why. Because there is no convincing argument. Thereís a hell of a lot of speculation, guesswork, imagination, fraud and artist conceptions.

Now you do a good job in Traffic Court tomorrow.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#128251 Oct 7, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey look.
A Dave-fender.
Keep your day job.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#128252 Oct 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Atheists don't like the Georgia congressman because of 3 reasons.
1. He's Christian.
2. He's intelligent.
3. He doesn't believe in evolution as other scientists have guessed it to be.
.
Atheists would really love to shut down his 1st Amendment rights
1. Pertinently, he's probably a fundamentalist.
2. He's human. Intelligence is a relative term. He's more intelligent than a rock, despite what the newspapers may say.
3. He's probably a fundamentalist, so his views on evolution would be dictated by that.

As for what atheists would really love, we are not united in that way. Such a generalization cannot be made accurately.

I would hope that people would stop voting for candidates that are dumber than I am. I'm not that smart, so it shouldn't be hard, but apparently, it's too much to ask.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128256 Oct 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
LOL, you athitards are the biggest intollerant bigots out there....
I don't see any of you OR any of us Christians bad-mouthing any politicians that believe in evolution...
But as soon as one disagrees with it, oh boy! You bigots fire in full force!
Anyone who doesn't "believe" in evolution doesn't understand science. Period. So a politician who is on a committee for Science and Technology who doesn't understand science is dangerous. Where do you think such an uninformed, ignorant man is going to take your good country?

Do you believe that kind of man is the right person for the job? Will he be able to push reforms so that you can compete with China?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#128257 Oct 7, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I had previously responded to EMS servant in this post http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TUGI0DVLL... concerning the Ipuwer Papyrus. The dates for the Ipuwer Papyrus and its date of origin do not align with the "Exodus" myth.
Simply, it just doesn't add up.
Ipuwer Papyrus info @wikipedia.
"The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.
The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer
Old Kingdom 2686Ė2181 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom
The First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia...
Middle Kingdom 2055Ė1650 BCE - The Middle Kingdom of Egypt is the period in the history of ancient Egypt stretching from the establishment of the Eleventh Dynasty to the end of the Thirteenth Dynasty, between 2055 BCE and 1650 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Kingdom_o...
13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE for 153 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...
2nd Intermediate Period 1650Ė1550 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intermedi...
Wakhare Khety I (also Akhtoy) was a pharaoh of the Ninth dynasty of Egypt who reigned ca. 2150BCE during the First Intermediary Period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhare_Khety_I
Wankhare Khety II was a local ruler of the Egyptian 9th / 10th Dynasty during the First Intermediate Period (ca. 21st century BC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankhare_Khety_I...
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/ipu...
The dates assigned back in the early 1900's have been shown to be inaccurate, and are not the accepted dates today.
Apologetic sites still utilize the data that is in error, and that's not surprising.
There is plenty of information concerning the correct dating and age of the Ipuwer Papyrus and the reasons for those dates.
You are welcome to provide any proof that will rebut the above.
Thereís always opposition to Jewish history.

The most hated people in all the world just because of their recorded history and belief in the One True God.

Information against pre War World II Jewish history canít be trusted. Even in these times thereís people making claims there wasnít even a holocaust.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#128258 Oct 7, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>In an article entitled "Gays on the March" in 1975, Time magazine quoted gay activist Barbara Gittings who stated:
What the homosexual wants, and here he is neither willing to compromise nor morally required to compromise ó is acceptance of homosexuality as a way of life fully on a par with heterosexuality." In response, Time opined, "It is one thing to remove legal discrimination against homosexuals. It is another to mandate approval....It is this goal of full acceptance, which no known society past or present has granted to homosexuals, that makes many Americans apprehensive.[3]
A primary goal of the homosexual agenda is to promote the lifestyle in public schools. This occurred quickly and intensely after gay marriage was imposed in Massachusetts, where homosexual relationships are taught to children as young as kindergartners, as recounted by the decision of Parker v. Hurley.[4]
In a 1992 report by John Leo in U.S. News and World Report, he notes some books which were part of New York City's public school curriculum.
The first-grade book, "Children of the Rainbow", stated on page 145, which states that teachers must "be aware of varied family structures, including...gay or lesbian parents," and "children must be taught to acknowledge the positive aspects of each type of household." Another children book is Heather Has Two Mommies, which is about a lesbian couple having a child through artificial insemination. Another book, Gloria Goes to Gay Pride, states, "Some women love women, some men love men, some women and men love each other. That's why we march in the parade, so everyone can have a choice."
Leo commented,
A line is being crossed here; in fact, a brand new ethic is descending upon the city's public school system. The traditional civic virtue of tolerance (if gays want to live together, it's their own business) has been replaced with a new ethic requiring approval and endorsement (if gays want to live together, we must 'acknowledge the positive aspects' of their way of life).
John 8:44-45
King James Version (KJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
What has any of that got to do with supernovas?

Or are you trying to say supernovas are in fact homosexual?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128259 Oct 7, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
Who is Rep Paul Broun?
A Chemist, Congressman and also a Medical Doctor. Let me assure his views on evolution are shared by many in the scientific and medical community.
His views are not shared in the scientific community. Perhaps the medical community, but that will change.
Iím not denying the fact that a very large portion of the scientific community really believes in evolution.
It's just a process, not something you "believe" in.
Thereís also many who donít believe in it and remain silent for fear of retribution.
That's quite silly. Once you have tenure, you're protected so that you can say whatever you like - the whole point of tenure is to protect new and controversial ideas. There simply are no biological scientists who disagree with evolution. Ok...well, there are what, 5 ID people who don't produce research on ID and basically test the proximate level of biology?
The Congressman was hired by the people of the 10th Congressional District. He doesnít give a damn about any retaliation.
No matter what you think of the Congressman. He is not unintelligent. His educational background is worthy of respect. So often Christians are viewed by atheist as stuck in the 14th century. Anti-science but nothing could be further than the truth.
Clearly he doesn't bring his critical thinking to his religion or to biological science.
Thousands if not millions of Christians are scientist or working in a science related field including the medical field. I support the Congressman right to free speech and right not to believe in Evolution. I see evolution like a hot air balloon. It takes a lot of hot air to keep it moving.
That's b/c you don't understand it. I should start talking about all the medical failures that happened b/c medicine doesn't have an evolutionary framework - like misunderstanding malaria and fever.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#128260 Oct 7, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>No, we had a troglodyte senator, tehn we made him president. A gay minded greener who denies life and dreams of private clubs.
What is your anger against gays? Look we all know you a closet queer so come out already and admit it.

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