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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128269 Oct 7, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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There’s always opposition to Jewish history.
I have a friend who makes Jewish beer.

He brews it.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128270 Oct 7, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Found your post and it is not where your link goes. The date is in dispute. It is similiar to the book of Lamentations. You are fixating on alleged differences in dating and ignoring how the text is similar to the Exodus account. Not a surprise. Gonna try this link again.
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html
From your link: "The information we have regarding the provenance of the Papyrus Ipuwer is that it was copied by 19th Dynasty scribes and constitutes a part of what is known as the Papyrus Leiden 334."

Notice, that it says it was >copied< in the 19th Dynasty.

More about the 19th Dynasty and timeline.

"The Pharaohs of the 19th dynasty ruled for approximately one hundred and ten years: from ca 1292 to 1187 BCE." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Dynas...

As I said before, the dates do not match. Some more information.

"An Egyptian named Ipuwer wrote it at the end of the Middle Kingdom, around 1650 B.C.E.; scribes copied it in the 19th Dynasty, in the 1200s B.C.E" - Roger Isaacs, Author,'Talking With God'

Ipuwer Papyrus info @wikipedia.

"The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.
The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer

Old Kingdom 2686–2181 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom

The First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia...

Middle Kingdom 2055–1650 BCE - The Middle Kingdom of Egypt is the period in the history of ancient Egypt stretching from the establishment of the Eleventh Dynasty to the end of the Thirteenth Dynasty, between 2055 BCE and 1650 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Kingdom_o...

13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE for 153 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...

2nd Intermediate Period 1650–1550 BCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intermedi...

Apologetic sites still utilize the data that is in error, and that's not suprising.

There is plenty of information concerning the correct dating and age of the Ipuwer Papyrus and the reasons for those dates.

You are welcome to provide any proof that will rebut the above.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128271 Oct 7, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. it's funny how Christians now embrace Jews after thousands of years of persecution ..
.. why is that ??..
Televangelism starting in the 70's. Pat Robertson and crowd.

The primary support of Israel was the liberal Democrats up until Jimmy Carter and the Camp David accords, with a backlash by the liberals against treatment of the Palestians. Israel's rightwing was in trouble. Then up pops the televangelists on the media, very much Christian Zionists, who became very Republican and hawkish about total support for Israel. Prior to this Republicans were not known for being big fans of Israel.

I've witnessed the changes myself.

Funny coincidence, isn't it?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128272 Oct 7, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
There’s always opposition to Jewish history.
The most hated people in all the world just because of their recorded history and belief in the One True God.
Information against pre War World II Jewish history can’t be trusted. Even in these times there’s people making claims there wasn’t even a holocaust.
No, no, the Hindus have the One True God, too. So do the Buddhists - and Buddha was nice enough to keep that hidden.

Hey, if you have found "the one true god" can you tell me why Mormons exist? Did they find the "one true Christianity"? And, if so, why aren't you a Mormon?

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#128273 Oct 7, 2012
As hom attacks the concession speech of one who knows they have lost.

I accept your surrender my weak winded Christhole.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>Go comb the gnats out of your hair and for crying out loud buy some flea drops for that poor cat.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#128274 Oct 7, 2012
I prefer the honest if at times seemingly cold nature of reality than a comforting delusion.
modernhippie wrote:
I hope you all don't mind my interrupting your boxing match, but may I pose a question?
If you could use your imagination for a moment and pull back from your current convictions, then contemplate that you now have the ultimate choice.
That whatever you WISHED to be true would be so.
Would it be different from what you feel certain of now?
My question is experimental in nature, not meant to be inflammatory.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128275 Oct 7, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
How long will it be before the US becomes a basket case and the laughing stock of the world.
Uhm...ah...I hate to tell you this...but...ah...

Well, we're rooting for you!

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#128276 Oct 7, 2012
Bottom line you refuse to accept facts when they go against what your preacher teaches.
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>Found your post and it is not where your link goes. The date is in dispute. It is similiar to the book of Lamentations. You are fixating on alleged differences in dating and ignoring how the text is similar to the Exodus account. Not a surprise. Gonna try this link again.

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128277 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Televangelism starting in the 70's. Pat Robertson and crowd.
The primary support of Israel was the liberal Democrats up until Jimmy Carter and the Camp David accords, with a backlash by the liberals against treatment of the Palestians. Israel's rightwing was in trouble. Then up pops the televangelists on the media, very much Christian Zionists, who became very Republican and hawkish about total support for Israel. Prior to this Republicans were not known for being big fans of Israel.
I've witnessed the changes myself.
Funny coincidence, isn't it?
Republicans, conservatives, are very hawkish in support of Israel, yes.

But make no mistake--there's plenty of anti-semitism among the mainstream American Christian populace.

Let's ask some of our folks on these threads what they think of Jews.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128278 Oct 7, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
What is the evidence that he is "intelligent"?
Given that evolution is extremely well supported by the available evidence, what does "guessing" have to do with it?
When did any atheist claim that he shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech?
<quoted text>
I didn't ask what the evidence was that he had an education. I asked you what the evidence was that he is "intelligent". Please answer the question that was actually asked.
<quoted text>
And does he have to take an intelligence test to be appointed to those positions?
Or just know the right people?
Which is it?
<quoted text>
And being a member of a House committee is evidence of intelligence? Aren't *all* Representatives members of committees?
<quoted text>
Imagine that: A Republican winning by a large majority in a district dominated by Republicans.
Not exactly an impressive achievement.
You are dissing Hiding and her fellow "informed" and educated" cream of the human race.

You are upset because he is a Republican.

I remember the day when the South was Yellow Dog Democrat. They would vote for a yellow dog before voting for a Republican. Now the South is Republican. Guess the Democrats did something wrong.

Georgia is actually a pretty progressive state.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128279 Oct 7, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
There’s always opposition to Jewish history.
The most hated people in all the world just because of their recorded history and belief in the One True God.
Information against pre War World II Jewish history can’t be trusted. Even in these times there’s people making claims there wasn’t even a holocaust.
I'm not disputing the Holocaust. Additionally, even Judaic scholars recognize that the "Exodus", has no proof outside of biblical mention.

The Ipuwer Papyrus is agreed to have been written, based upon references within the Papyrus to initially as early as the First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia... , and no later than , 13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was which was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...

“ Woodstock Anyone?”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#128280 Oct 7, 2012
Intelligence doesn't make you smart. The evidence is is here. Memorized scriptures being spit out void of Spirit, and highly educated people claiming that theirs' is the voice of reason yet can't express themselves without insults and right hooks. Your words echo hateful and stupid.

I'm out of here.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#128281 Oct 7, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not disputing the Holocaust. Additionally, even Judaic scholars recognize that the "Exodus", has no proof outside of biblical mention.
The Ipuwer Papyrus is agreed to have been written, based upon references within the Papyrus to initially as early as the First Intermediate Period 2181-2055 BCE , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intermedia... , and no later than , 13th Dynasty or Dynasty XIII was which was from approximately 1802 BCE until ca. 1649 BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Dynas...
National Lampoon's Exodus.

"Milk! Honey! Hells yeah!"

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#128282 Oct 7, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
How long will it be before the US becomes a basket case and the laughing stock of the world.
As long as we can keep Dave over here , and not talking over there too much. It really doesn't have to happen!

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#128283 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Televangelism starting in the 70's. Pat Robertson and crowd.
The primary support of Israel was the liberal Democrats up until Jimmy Carter and the Camp David accords, with a backlash by the liberals against treatment of the Palestians. Israel's rightwing was in trouble. Then up pops the televangelists on the media, very much Christian Zionists, who became very Republican and hawkish about total support for Israel. Prior to this Republicans were not known for being big fans of Israel.
I've witnessed the changes myself.
Funny coincidence, isn't it?
.. thanks. Very interesting ..

.. are you certain of this? Can you provide a link ??..

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#128284 Oct 7, 2012
modernhippie wrote:
Intelligence doesn't make you smart. The evidence is is here. Memorized scriptures being spit out void of Spirit, and highly educated people claiming that theirs' is the voice of reason yet can't express themselves without insults and right hooks. Your words echo hateful and stupid.
I'm out of here.
Another well-adjusted person leaves...

Oh, well, back to the fray with arguing with the uneducated, ignorant religious who believe their ignorance can support a belief system.

Wait! Wait! Modernhippie, take me with you!

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128285 Oct 7, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
Georgia is actually a pretty progressive state.
Only certain portions are, Dave. The differences between southern Georgia, middle Georgia and northern Georgia are extreme and varied.

I'm from there, and grew up there.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#128287 Oct 7, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans, conservatives, are very hawkish in support of Israel, yes.
.. what a coincidence! So is the Religious Right ..
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
But make no mistake--there's plenty of anti-semitism among the mainstream American Christian populace.
.. what a coincidence! They're not part of the Religious Right ..
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Let's ask some of our folks on these threads what they think of Jews.
.. some Jewish women are hot but many are JAPS (not Japanese term). On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate Jewish women as 5-6 ..

.. Jewish men? Well, they're just men. Who cares what anyone thinks of them ??..

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128289 Oct 7, 2012
Tomorrow, Columbus Day is observed in some places in the U.S. In California, public offices are closed.

So here's the question: Should Columbus Day be recognized? Were he and his explorers good people who should be celebrated today? Were there good or bad consequences from their discovery/colonization?

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#128292 Oct 7, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. it's funny how Christians now embrace Jews after thousands of years of persecution ..
.. why is that ??..
It's funny how you care to even ask, not believing in God and all.

Why is it that atheists talk more about God than any group of people the earth has ever habituated?

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