Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#128131 Oct 6, 2012
"At least get the facts right so as you know what you do not believe."

Hiding, I need this translated.

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#128132 Oct 6, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Reductionist. Like saying i don't deny some Jews were killed in the holocaust but the numbers are way overblown.
You do enjoy making comparisons to holocaust denial.

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#128133 Oct 6, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
You are overstating the case. Name some parts that were stitched together.
Wasn't it you who was just proclaiming the numerous authors of the bible, and the long period of time during which it was written, as "proof?"

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#128134 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The simple fact is dark energy and matter came about because gravity as calculated could not account for the motions of the stars. Something like 95% of visible mass was missing?
Not quite stated correctly. The basic equations of general relativity hold. The question is how much matter and energy are around. The *visible* part is not all of the matter around. As others have pointed out, there are types of ordinary matter that would qualify for some parts of dark matter. But the majority of it doesn't interact strongly with light, since otherwise it would have a temperature reflecting that fact. The observed velocity curves show that either our understanding of gravity is wrong or there is additional matter out there that we don't see. The first possibility has been considered, but it turns out to be incredibly difficult to both explain the velocity curves we see *and* stay consistent with what we know about the solar system. Even the alternative ideas about gravity require dark matter to explain what we actually see. E&M effects don't do the job since they also would show up as temperature (and hence light) from the surrounding material.
That's a large margin of error. I would have looked for other things, like EM.
Gravity's strongest force is the asshole sucking in math heads.
Well, gravity works quite well if you include all the matter, both seen and unseen.

What people don't seem to get is that we *know* of particles that do not interact strong with light. Neutrinos were, in fact, a prime candidate for dark matter except that they don't have the mass required. They are almost, but not quite massless. But, a heavy version of neutrinos would fit perfectly. other candidates are axions and photinos. All of these are distinct possibilities in the particle theories we now have, which are also very tightly constrained by the observed evidence.

Your 95% figure is not for dark matter alone. it includes both dark matter and dark energy. Since the latter was a part of Einstein's ideas from the start, it is hardly an unconsidered possibility before the discovery of the accelerating expansion of the universe. Where the dark energy is anything more than simply a energy density of the vacuum or whether it has more dynamics is yet to be seen. Whether dark energy (not dark matter) can be explained away is also yet to be seen. But dark matter is a clear aspect of cosmology.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128135 Oct 6, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Dave, you couldn't learn to love me?
Depends on the shape of your ass.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128136 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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You think that EM wasn't considered? Really? LMAO
Not well enough evidently. Did you read that link I posted a little while ago?

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#128137 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Depends on the shape of your ass.
So shallow, Dave. I would have thought that a trail blazer like yourself would be open to whatever form god chose for me.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128138 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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They are not capable of seeing how their passion and zeal in denouncing religion displays their irrationality. They don't understand it is that fanaticism which makes them so unlovable, not their personal belief for or against. There is no gray in their views. If you are theist or deistic, you are automatically a creationist. Snarl, snap, snap. No rational discussion with them. Absent the religion, they will find something else to snarl and snap against. It ain't the message, it's the messengers with the problem.
I was wondering when Dave and LightBeam would become bedfellows.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#128139 Oct 6, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> There were at least 10 judgements after the Israelites left Egypt. In Joshua the people who entered were the next generation along with Joshua and Calab. Even Moses died off. I don't know, off hand if there is a number count in Joshua.
Say hi to Calab for me.

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#128140 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Not well enough evidently. Did you read that link I posted a little while ago?
Because everyone is wrong until they agree with you.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#128141 Oct 6, 2012
Lulz! Epic win! Thanks and btw I will be using these :)
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Sometimes, it takes a little sophistication to understand what you are seeing:
An Amish boy and his father were visiting a mall. They were amazed by almost everything they saw, but especially by two shiny silver walls that could move apart and back together again.
The boy asked his father, "What is this father?" The father, having never seen an elevator, responded, "Son, I have never seen anything like this in my life. I don't know what it is!"
While the boy and his father were watching wide-eyed, an old lady in a wheel chair rolled up to the moving walls and pressed a button. The walls opened and the lady rolled between them into a small room. The walls closed and the boy and his father watched small circles of light with numbers above the wall light up. They continued to watch the circles light up in the reverse direction. The walls opened up again and a beautiful 24-year-old woman stepped out.
The man said to his son, "Go get your mother!"
========== I opened my favorite jokes file for that. Here's a few more:
(30) The captain of a commercial jet made an announcement over the cabin's PA system informing the passengers that the Grand Canyon was now visible out of the left side of the airplane.
He set his hand set down, not realizing that the voice activation button was still depressed, and that he was still broadcasting to the cabin. He turned to his copilot, and jokingly commented that he could sure use a cup of coffee and a blow job about then. Everybody in the cabin heard him.
In horror, the stewardess began running toward the cockpit to apprise the captain of the situation. As she runs past him, a passenger on the aisle shouts, "Don't forget the coffee!"
(33) A woman has the images of her favorite sex symbols - Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise - tattooed to the insides of her thighs. When the artist is finished, the woman looks down and expresses her dismay at the poor job that he has done.
The artist points out that she is in no position to judge his work, since she is seeing it upside down. So they agree to let a third party – the first one to walk by the tattoo shop - be the final arbiter.
That just happens to be a street drunk, who is stumbling by at that moment. They beckon the drunk enter, and to please try to identify the celebrities between the woman’s legs. He agrees.
After a few seconds of staring, reeling, and squinting the drunk announces,“I can't say who the two on the ends are, but the one in the middle is the spittin’ image of Willie Nelson.”
(33) My neighbor discovered that her pet schnauzer could hardly hear, so she took it to the veterinarian. The poor dog’s ear hairs were all tangled and matted, so the vet cleaned them both out, and the dog could hear fine. He told the lady that if she wanted to keep this from reoccurring she should go to the store and get some Nair, a hair remover, and rub in its ears once a month.
The lady goes to the drug store as instructed to get some Nair for her dog. At the register, the druggist tells her, "If you're going to use this under your arms, don't use deodorant for a few days."
The lady says, "I'm not using it under my arms."
The druggist says, "Well then, if you're going to be using it on your legs, I recommend that you not wear hose for a few days."
The lady says, "I'm not using it on my legs either. If you must know, I'm using it on my schnauzer."
The druggist then says, "In that case, lady, you should probably stay off your bicycle for a few days.”

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#128142 Oct 6, 2012
Just give us some string, magnets, a rubber chicken, a plunger, a copy of hustler and a quart of whiskey out in the garage and we'll come up with your insanity as well.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Funny coming from a guy whose only reality is from the books he reads.
That is how it flows, and the origination of it. On a physical basis.
Give us a physical description the way you KNOW it without the numbers and references to equations and theories, etc.
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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128143 Oct 6, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So shallow, Dave. I would have thought that a trail blazer like yourself would be open to whatever form god chose for me.
I go by what form a god would choose for me. If it was outside my programming, it would have to let me know. I will not second guess it.

Besides, soft tails are more comfy than hard tails.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128144 Oct 6, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Your argument was a joke. Screaming at me "it's scripture!" as if that carries some weight is laughable on so many levels.
Your veiled threat here is nice, though. I will. I one day will put that on my resume.
<quoted text>
Coward - I name you coward for writing this.
Welcome to the world of lightbeamrider, where everything is a conspiracy designed to obscure the bible unless it supports his own view 100%. There is no amount of information or legitimate science you can present to him that will change his position that conspiracies are everywhere.

Christian scholars are in on it. Scholars from places such as Harvard and other universities are in on it, scientists, the !NWO!, and everyone is in on it, unless...

They support lightbeamrider's views.

At that point, it doesn't matter if a scholar has received a PhD in 6 months at the Wiley Coyote Institute, as long as he supports lightbeamrider's view.

All others are inferior, revisionist, and !BLASPHEMERS!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128145 Oct 6, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Because everyone is wrong until they agree with you.
No.

What you see me doing is reacting to shrieking nut cases that don't stop to consider what I say. Legitimate and considered disagreement is constructive.

Beating up on those idiots is recreation.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128146 Oct 6, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Just give us some string, magnets, a rubber chicken, a plunger, a copy of hustler and a quart of whiskey out in the garage and we'll come up with your insanity as well.
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Us?

Got a gerbil up your ass?

You and your friend don't need those enhancements.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#128147 Oct 6, 2012
Dave it would be cool if you set up a camera in your garage while doing your experiments. Be sure to spend lots of time in front of the camera doddering on how they work.

Pure YouTube gold!
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"Experimentation and observation coupled with the collection of evidence is sheer magic at work."
It's the interpretation of those observations and experimentation that is correct or not. A false interpretation can result, and does, in improper experiments.
Not all educated scientists see things the same way.
You ain't thinking, you is following the herd.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128148 Oct 6, 2012
Just had a thought of how some of the posters on here would be like two ventriloquist dummies.

One calls the other A dummy.

The other says no, you are a dummy.

Am not, YOU ARE A DUMMY!

LIAR, YOU ARE THE DUMMY!

YOU ARE THE LIAR, YOU DUMMY!!

IF YOU AREN'T A DUMMY THEN YOU ARE TOO DUMB TO BE A DUMMY!

DON'T CALL ME A DUMMY YOU DUMBASS!!!

This goes on for a while. Then they both turn to the ventriloquist and demand him to decide who is right.

The ventriloquist looks at the audience and asks "Who is right and who is the dummy?".

The audience calls back in unison.

They are both right. They are both dummies.

Goodnight, Topix atheists.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#128149 Oct 6, 2012
Are you still projecting this nonsense? Rotflmfao you were already humiliated with this!

So a tiny horse size of a locust, gold crown on it's head, Scorpion tail, face of a man like a centaur, Lon womanly hair and sharp teeth in it's mouth, wearing breastplates like ancient soldiers looks like a helicopter? What drugs are you taking?
KJV wrote:
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Here is some more laughs for you!
You claim the bible was written by goat herders.
1) those goat herders had this to say straight to you from 2000 years ago!
Deuteronomy 5:9
English Standard Version (ESV)
"You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"
2) And the shapes [or "resemblance"] of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men
That goat herder is describing a modern era HELICOPTER
Not bad for a goat herder from 2000 years ago but there's more.
3) That I will cause the flesh to fall from their bones before their body can hit the ground, and their eyes shall melt in their sockets and their tongue in their mouth.(Zechariah 14:12)
These goat herders from 2000 years ago are describing Nuclear War or at least a big bomb. A bomb that the goat herders could not foresee 2000 years ago.
Pretty funny right?

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#128150 Oct 6, 2012
Let dry ground appear? Sigh I hope your work at Burger King doesn't require random drug screens because if they do you are so screwed!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You know what's also strange that the "bronze age goat herders" knew? Pangea.
It's right there in Genesis 1:9.
How could Moses know that?
hmmm

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