Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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hehehehe Even you athiests (Aura, poly) can't agree on whether or not a blacl hole has dark matter in it...
See?
More "evidence" that crumbles before your eyes.
Seriously, when are you people gonna wake up?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
Exactly....
None of you atheists can prove a black hole OR dark matter.
But you allow them to "explain" the unexplainable....
Atheism DOES require faith.
Black holes are pretty much proven by the prediction in GR of them, the evidence by observation of the effects predicted exerted on stars. But dark matter is another story since it cannot be seen directly with telescopes. But it is a explanation that fits the observations.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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Black holes are pretty much proven by the prediction in GR of them, the evidence by observation of the effects predicted exerted on stars. But dark matter is another story since it cannot be seen directly with telescopes. But it is a explanation that fits the observations.
LOL!!

Sounds like religion.

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"pretty much proven"?!?
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Ya, I saw that black hole in the Flash Gordon movie.
THAT proves it!
Go on, keep your scienctifically "proven" faith...

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
hehehehe Even you athiests (Aura, poly) can't agree on whether or not a blacl hole has dark matter in it...
See?
More "evidence" that crumbles before your eyes.
Seriously, when are you people gonna wake up?
Gasp, yes we admit everything cannot be explained yet.
But the inexplicable was never explained with the simple minds that conceded in utter defeat and puzzlement with the statement.
"god done it" Do you suppose there would even be a damn light bulb
or autonomous robot on mars if all men took that cop out?

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Dark matter is 100% hypothetical. Yet you listen & BELIEVE the theorists that spout their bullshit that dark matter IS real... "as soon as we find it, we'll know".
LMMFAOOOOOOO

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http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News...

They wind up in all sorts of places, even on good days. Powerlines are favorites.

Really neat watching those colorful things float over.

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http://www.cnn.com/video/...

Just a snapshot of everyone alive today would take 220 years to watch,

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!
Sounds like religion.

Of course Dave , to you science is a religion.
Experimentation and observation coupled with the collection of evidence is sheer magic at work. It's all done with lights and mirrors and a few magnets. We use slight of hand and illusion to
fool the monkey brains. There's no such thing as gravity and Newton as well as Einstein were Circus entertainers.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
"pretty much proven"?!?
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Ya, I saw that black hole in the Flash Gordon movie.
THAT proves it!
Go on, keep your scienctifically "proven" faith...
Of course GR means nothing to you also, there is actually a invisible pole in the center of the galaxy , in which the stars go around in a great big race. The winner of the race will get a lollypop from skydaddy. You have to be smarter than a tree dweller
RR to understand the implications of GR black holes and dark matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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That isn't correct poly , there are several variations of hypothesis where black holes are constituting part of what considered dark matter. Here is one.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/...
The problem is that black holes add to the baryonic matter total and that is tightly constrained by nucleogenesis measurements and by background radiation measurements. While primordial black holes might be a *component* of the dark matter total, they can't explain it all.

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I already understand the implications of black holes & dark matter...
I see it differently that you, Aura. That's all.
I see it as scientists (NOT science) trying to fill in the blanks for shit they're clueless on.
The funny thing is, you buy it.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
Exactly....
None of you atheists can prove a black hole OR dark matter.
But you allow them to "explain" the unexplainable....
Atheism DOES require faith.
Black holes are proven in the sense that there are compact gravitational sources that are so small that they cannot be anything else. Similarly, the location of dark matter can actually be mapped out using gravitational lensing techniques. The main issue with dark matter is its composition, not whether it exists. Even there, we know it cannot interact strongly with electromagnetism and it does interact via gravity.

These are no 'faith' in the sense of religious faith. This is using actual observations, comparing it to our models of how gravity and electromagnetism (as well as particle physics, etc) to understand what we see. Past the initial speculation, we have many follow-up observations that confirm that both black holes and dark matter exist and many of their properties.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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Black holes are pretty much proven by the prediction in GR of them, the evidence by observation of the effects predicted exerted on stars. But dark matter is another story since it cannot be seen directly with telescopes. But it is a explanation that fits the observations.
Also, the detailed evidence from gravitational lensing studies allows us to plot where the dark matter is. It doesn't always align with where ordinary matter is, so that eliminates changes in the laws of gravity. Details, details.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
"pretty much proven"?!?
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Ya, I saw that black hole in the Flash Gordon movie.
THAT proves it!
Go on, keep your scienctifically "proven" faith...
Science fiction gets a lot wrong. But there is actual, hard evidence of a black hole at the center of our galaxy, as well as at the centers of most other galaxies. There is also hard evidence of black holes in some double star systems, etc. Unless you have an alternative explanation, the fact that the evidence agrees with the models is enough to support the claim that black holes exist.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
Dark matter is 100% hypothetical. Yet you listen & BELIEVE the theorists that spout their bullshit that dark matter IS real... "as soon as we find it, we'll know".
LMMFAOOOOOOO
Dark matter is real. We can map out where it is using its gravitational effects. What we do not know is its composition, although there is a lot of speculation there.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
I already understand the implications of black holes & dark matter...
I see it differently that you, Aura. That's all.
I see it as scientists (NOT science) trying to fill in the blanks for shit they're clueless on.
The funny thing is, you buy it.
OK, so how do *you* explain the anomalous velocity curves, the gravitational lensing data, the effects on the cosmic background radiation, the separation of the gravitational effects from ordinary matter, etc?
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OBAMA 2012 !!!!!!!!!
YEAH BABYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

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polymath257 wrote:
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Dark matter is real. We can map out where it is using its gravitational effects. What we do not know is its composition, although there is a lot of speculation there.
Like tripping over an ottoman in the dark.
You can't see it but you can feel its very real effects.

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I have seen the film.
With Bob Marley?

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