Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Think&Care”

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#128000 Oct 6, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Black holes are pretty much proven by the prediction in GR of them, the evidence by observation of the effects predicted exerted on stars. But dark matter is another story since it cannot be seen directly with telescopes. But it is a explanation that fits the observations.
Also, the detailed evidence from gravitational lensing studies allows us to plot where the dark matter is. It doesn't always align with where ordinary matter is, so that eliminates changes in the laws of gravity. Details, details.

“Think&Care”

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#128001 Oct 6, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
"pretty much proven"?!?
...
Ya, I saw that black hole in the Flash Gordon movie.
THAT proves it!
Go on, keep your scienctifically "proven" faith...
Science fiction gets a lot wrong. But there is actual, hard evidence of a black hole at the center of our galaxy, as well as at the centers of most other galaxies. There is also hard evidence of black holes in some double star systems, etc. Unless you have an alternative explanation, the fact that the evidence agrees with the models is enough to support the claim that black holes exist.

“Think&Care”

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#128002 Oct 6, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Dark matter is 100% hypothetical. Yet you listen & BELIEVE the theorists that spout their bullshit that dark matter IS real... "as soon as we find it, we'll know".
LMMFAOOOOOOO
Dark matter is real. We can map out where it is using its gravitational effects. What we do not know is its composition, although there is a lot of speculation there.

“Think&Care”

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#128003 Oct 6, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I already understand the implications of black holes & dark matter...
I see it differently that you, Aura. That's all.
I see it as scientists (NOT science) trying to fill in the blanks for shit they're clueless on.
The funny thing is, you buy it.
OK, so how do *you* explain the anomalous velocity curves, the gravitational lensing data, the effects on the cosmic background radiation, the separation of the gravitational effects from ordinary matter, etc?
The Prez

West Mifflin, PA

#128004 Oct 6, 2012
OBAMA 2012 !!!!!!!!!
YEAH BABYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#128005 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Dark matter is real. We can map out where it is using its gravitational effects. What we do not know is its composition, although there is a lot of speculation there.
Like tripping over an ottoman in the dark.
You can't see it but you can feel its very real effects.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#128006 Oct 6, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
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I have seen the film.
With Bob Marley?

As Moses?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#128007 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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The problem is that black holes add to the baryonic matter total and that is tightly constrained by nucleogenesis measurements and by background radiation measurements. While primordial black holes might be a *component* of the dark matter total, they can't explain it all.
Understood , but also that until the mystery is solved. Nothing is ruled out , in fact dark matter can be explained
as anything that does not absorb, reflect, or emit light at this point. It could even be some type stardust or the hypothesis of (WIMPs) created with the universe that we cant detect yet.
Point is , we can't rule out anything yet.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#128008 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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OK, so how do *you* explain the anomalous velocity curves, the gravitational lensing data, the effects on the cosmic background radiation, the separation of the gravitational effects from ordinary matter, etc?
Easy.

Goddidit.

Don't you know?

Science is just a waste of time.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#128009 Oct 6, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
"pretty much proven"?!?
...
Ya, I saw that black hole in the Flash Gordon movie.
THAT proves it!
Go on, keep your scienctifically "proven" faith...
Ever see the animation of the stars orbiting the massive black hole (that's right-a REAL black hole) at the center of our galaxy.

With this data set, it is fairly easy to calculate the mass of the black hole as well as the size of the event horizon.

Watch it. These are real images:

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128010 Oct 6, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Of course Dave , to you science is a religion.
Experimentation and observation coupled with the collection of evidence is sheer magic at work. It's all done with lights and mirrors and a few magnets. We use slight of hand and illusion to
fool the monkey brains. There's no such thing as gravity and Newton as well as Einstein were Circus entertainers.
"Experimentation and observation coupled with the collection of evidence is sheer magic at work."

It's the interpretation of those observations and experimentation that is correct or not. A false interpretation can result, and does, in improper experiments.

Not all educated scientists see things the same way.

You ain't thinking, you is following the herd.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#128011 Oct 6, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Ever see the animation of the stars orbiting the massive black hole (that's right-a REAL black hole) at the center of our galaxy.
With this data set, it is fairly easy to calculate the mass of the black hole as well as the size of the event horizon.
Watch it. These are real images:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7vcSKbXnLJAXX
This one is cool too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128012 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Black holes are proven in the sense that there are compact gravitational sources that are so small that they cannot be anything else. Similarly, the location of dark matter can actually be mapped out using gravitational lensing techniques. The main issue with dark matter is its composition, not whether it exists. Even there, we know it cannot interact strongly with electromagnetism and it does interact via gravity.
These are no 'faith' in the sense of religious faith. This is using actual observations, comparing it to our models of how gravity and electromagnetism (as well as particle physics, etc) to understand what we see. Past the initial speculation, we have many follow-up observations that confirm that both black holes and dark matter exist and many of their properties.
Your faith is in the accuracy of your gravity based logic being correct. Meaning what you think gravity is and how it originates. Circular logic up from there.

As you may have noticed, it didn't work, so that is why you have dark matter and dark energy.

Start off from scratch again.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128013 Oct 6, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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This one is cool too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
That is called a barycenter, the point where all mass of the galaxy orbits. Where it all balances out. Like two bodies on a seesaw, but rotary. It is also the point other galaxies balance with in relation to the Milky Way. It will shift a bit. Like an uneven wheel. Kind of a focal point and gateway to the rest of the universal mass and overall balance. The gas clouds will head to it.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#128014 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your faith is in the accuracy of your gravity based logic being correct. Meaning what you think gravity is and how it originates. Circular logic up from there.
As you may have noticed, it didn't work, so that is why you have dark matter and dark energy.
Start off from scratch again.
LOL Okay hum bro , let's see your calculations.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#128015 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That is called a barycenter, the point where all mass of the galaxy orbits. Where it all balances out. Like two bodies on a seesaw, but rotary. It is also the point other galaxies balance with in relation to the Milky Way. It will shift a bit. Like an uneven wheel. Kind of a focal point and gateway to the rest of the universal mass and overall balance. The gas clouds will head to it.

Right the center of the "largest mass" . It's a invisible pole stars race around where the winner will get a lollypop from skydaddy.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128016 Oct 6, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>LOL Okay hum bro , let's see your calculations.
I'm not making any money off of it. Why should I give them to you?

Their calculations were wrong. Still are.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#128017 Oct 6, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Right the center of the "largest mass" . It's a invisible pole stars race around where the winner will get a lollypop from skydaddy.
Again you attribute false quotes to me. I said it was the balance point of the mass in the galaxy. You have issues with your understanding or you are dishonest.

Look up barycenter.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#128019 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Again you attribute false quotes to me. I said it was the balance point of the mass in the galaxy. You have issues with your understanding or you are dishonest.
Look up barycenter.
Unfortunately , the center of the galaxy cant be explained as only the barycenter of all other mass.

But lQQky here what I found. I wonder what people will say about this?

Here are your own words.......

""""The barycenter of the earth/sun lies almost dead center of the sun. That would make the biomass of humanity, which by the way is now the largest biomass on the planet, just about dead center. The barycenter is the point of overlapping gravity and the common point objects orbit about. The entire universe is tied together.

Theoretically, as gravity is considered a universal force, your moving an arm will move its barycenter within the sun, or vice versa. Or even with Alpha Centauri.""" "

I can identify some of this concept , but its shewed in Dave fashion for sure.

http://www.leedskalnin.com/DaveNelson-3.html



“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#128020 Oct 6, 2012
The oscillations of a pendulum create time. The motion counteracts gravity. That pendulum oscillates until gravity finally overcomes the momentum of motion, then it lines up with the most density of matter in a straight line, which appears to be through the center of the earth, but is actually the diameter. Over a period of time that pendulum should point to the sun, then the next largest density, and so on until it points to the singularity we burst upon the scene from.

http://www.leedskalnin.com/DaveNelson-3.html

Bubble bursting insight into Daveology ha ha hah!

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