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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#127961 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
What we call space is part of the mechanics of the universe.
Just a charge field occupying a portion of it changes the inherent value of it. Creates a density differential. This is the basis of gravity. This is something you find within atoms, so this is what gives the illusion of gravity being some mysterious inside out phenomenon, and the Higgs' boson theory.
It gets pumped by motion.
Your particle wave duality is nothing but this motion wrapped into a packet, particles, moving through space, creating a wave.
You can't move a "particle" without moving the space with it. Space gets displaced. There is your dark energy. Lot more space out there than matter.
You will find some theories of the Big Bang where the universe was monolithic, and the Big Bang was a singularity that expanded in it, creating our local version of space, and matter from that expanding bubble of that monolithic universe substance. So space is very much part of the circuitry. You can't have motion without it.
But then you have what was this monolithic universe our bubble was created in. On paper and mathwise, it is just a starting point, but in actuality, it had to be something.
But then this whole universe may be more illusory than you can imagine right now.

What is an illusionary is that your post carries any meaningful message.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127962 Oct 6, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Figurative and you know that how?
That's just what the people who read Ancient Egyptian say. You know, I suppose a people who write using pictures might not be figurative. I guess that's possible. Perhaps the experts are wrong, as you claim they are for any matter regarding your dearly held beliefs?

Speaking from personal experience, kanji is figurative. It's a less obvious kind of figurative than Hieroglyphics, but it's still figurative. When you read it you don't hear words, you just see symbols. But, hey, don't believe me. Just go learn how to read Chinese or Japanese. It will only take you 3 years of practices 3 hours a day - but I'm here for you :)
For the Temple of Solomon?
I was referring to the papyrus, not the Temple of Solomon.
They revolted. They left. Things do not survive history.
You are aware that the Ancient Egyptians wrote stuff down, right? If half a million Jews all left at once, and these people were responsible for building the pyramids, it would have been noted. So would the military loss in the Red Sea. So would the first borns.
Inference. Neither Amenhotep ii or Thutmose 1V were firstborn sons.
Oh. My mistake. They probably wouldn't have noticed then if all their first born children died on the same night. I mean, who would notice such a thing?
That is what the account says and is given the benefit of the doubt.
Why? Because it's your religion? Because you have some need to prove your mythology correct?

Is this why you so desperately argue against biology? Would you like to argue that birds evolved before lizards, that pi = 3, that the world is flat and all that?
Again, all the ancients regarded it as valid history.
No. You can get away with "most of the Jews" but not "all the ancients."

If your statement is correct, provide the evidence. Where do the Egyptians record this? Where do the Babylonians record this - and why does the Babylonian flood predate the Jewish flood? Why do the laws of the OT first appear in the Code of Hammurabi?

Why were there three separate accounts of Exodus? Why were these later stitched together by one "redactor"?
You, on the other hand say it is all myth based on your atheism.
No, no. Evidence oh Lightbeam, evidence.
To question your philosophy of science is to somehow question Science itself. To be guilty of anti-science. When it is your atheistic assumptions which is in question and subsequently your interpretation of history. That is not exactly the same as being anti-science.
Scientists commit fraud, are political, lie, cheat, steal, sell out for money, are ignorant, lazy, insane, insecure, etc., etc. They are human. We don't know everything - we can't, it's impossible.

The redeeming quality of science is that it works to remove human observer bias from information gathering. That's why it's the most powerful information producing tool we've ever invented. Nothing else comes remotely close - not a thing.

No religion has added to knowledge like science has. Religion has done everything in its power to stall science - you people hate it. Look at what you write! You want your myths to be held dear and unchanging and will do anything to keep people believing in them.

It's perfectly fine to question science - in fact, we all should. To question science entails learning how it works, understanding how methodology works, learning to be critical of yourself and others.

You are absolutely ignorant of science. You don't know how it works - I am saddened by this. What's worse - far, far worse - is that you are dishonest about your ignorance. You never write "well, I cannot evaluate their claims." What you write is "they are wrong because I say so and I believe in this religion."

What kind of religion requires this level of dishonesty? Only a cowardly one.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127963 Oct 6, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
The same thing is true of Jericho (and other cities mentioned in the Bible). Only, unlike you, our early Bible editors and writers weren't aware of that - they literally were ignorant. They assumed, incorrectly, that the cities they were aware of always existed.
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> The ancients assumed the cities always existed.
Yes! Exactly - they didn't know better. Hence they added cities into their mythologies anachronistically - outside of time. That's how we know the Bible was written after the fact, edited after the fact, and is not historically accurate.
They were ''literally ignorant''? Here's another little gem from Hiding. Do you base your conclusions on scientific method or once again are you talking out of a place other than your mouth? Pulling historical rabbits out of fictional hats?
You just wrote above "The ancients assumed the cities always existed." How is this state not ignorant???

Since you don't seem to understand, the word "ignorant" means "is unaware of." You, LB, are ignorant of biology and archaeology - you are unaware of how biology and arky work. Don't feel too bad (except for the dishonesty), we're all ignorant of something (but we don't all lie about it).

When OT writers claim "the Hebrews walked by Jericho" and Jericho WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE DATES GIVEN they are making their stories up. Lying. Producing mythology. They were literally ignorant that Jericho was not present at the time of their story.

And why would they know? It's not like they had k-12 and universities to tell them this stuff. Unlike you, who has no excuse not to understand basic science (well, honestly, we can blame your society and religion), almost no one at that time could have known about their past. They only knew through their writings - this is why mythologies were such a powerful tool of control, identity and unification.

Really, do I need to explain this to you? Someone pipe in here and express shock, please, because this just seems over the top clueless, what I have to explain to these creationists.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127964 Oct 6, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder if buck is reading.
Nah. Buck doesn't care for the particulars of any given religion. Buck believes that all religions are close to the truth - they all understand some part of the creator, but not the whole.

Buck's welcome to chime in if I have his ideology incorrect.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127965 Oct 6, 2012
Anon wrote:
Where is Bob of Quantum Faith? Talk about fallin' off the map...
He's happy. I have inside information on this topic. Bob is happy and does not feel the need to confront the religious.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#127966 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have any archaeological evidence supporting the Exodus? No. it is a myth: a nationalistic propaganda piece.
Exodus is real.

I have the MP3.

It's by Bob Marley

Anon

Lakewood, OH

#127967 Oct 6, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
He's happy. I have inside information on this topic. Bob is happy and does not feel the need to confront the religious.
Thanx.
Godzillla

Japan

#127968 Oct 6, 2012

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#127969 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That's flux density.
Each magnetic flow or electrical flow starts and returns to the same piece of matter. It is a polarity relative only to that chunk.
Garbage yet again. Please learn how it really works. Like this, the rest of your post has no connection with reality.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#127970 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
What we call space is part of the mechanics of the universe.
Just a charge field occupying a portion of it changes the inherent value of it. Creates a density differential. This is the basis of gravity. This is something you find within atoms, so this is what gives the illusion of gravity being some mysterious inside out phenomenon, and the Higgs' boson theory.
LMAO. Do you have any connection to *real* physics, or do you just make this all up? It looks like the latter. The rest of your post is more of the same fantasy.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#127971 Oct 6, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>So...no. Modern archaeology does not support Biblical literally. It shows that the Bible is a mythology designed to forge an identity and unity for the ancient Hebrew people. Over the years it was edited repeatedly as the times changed to keep their Holy book relevant.
.. the Book of Mormon claims the Lamanites, a lost tribe from Israel, made their way to the New World around 600 B.C. Their descendants became known as Native Americans ..

.. for decades, archaeologists and linguists outside Mormonism knew Native Americans were not Israelites. Still, LDS apologists dismissed the scientific findings, even changing Lamanite settlements to South American ..

.. enter DNA evidence which conclusively proved Native Americans are not Israelites ..

.. pick up a recent printing of the Book of Mormon. In the introduction, you'll find the following: "Lamanites are the principal ancestors of the American Indians." ..

.. you gotta have faith baby, you gotta have faith ..

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#127972 Oct 6, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Exodus is real.
I have the MP3.
It's by Bob Marley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BWw_gP0vDfEXX
Voyage of the people....

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127973 Oct 6, 2012
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanx.
Hey, no problem. If you know him, you could contact him via facebook. If you only know him through here, send him a PM. I'm sure he misses his friends here :)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127974 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Garbage yet again. Please learn how it really works. Like this, the rest of your post has no connection with reality.
Funny coming from a guy whose only reality is from the books he reads.

That is how it flows, and the origination of it. On a physical basis.

Give us a physical description the way you KNOW it without the numbers and references to equations and theories, etc.

.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127975 Oct 6, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO. Do you have any connection to *real* physics, or do you just make this all up? It looks like the latter. The rest of your post is more of the same fantasy.
He just makes it all up. It's real for him. He doesn't need to test it. He can just think it up and it must be so.

Btw, thinking about armchair physics...thinking about 2 dimensions of time and comparing that to "flatland." I think Mrs. Flatland could work out that some circles, but not others, had shadows - and how the shadows worked. I don't know if they could deduce from that that a 3-D world existed and was necessary to have shadows, though.

So what would constitute a "time-shadow"?

And what does it mean if someone says "the second dimension of time is thermal"???

Me no understand :(

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127976 Oct 6, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. the Book of Mormon claims the Lamanites, a lost tribe from Israel, made their way to the New World around 600 B.C. Their descendants became known as Native Americans ..
.. for decades, archaeologists and linguists outside Mormonism knew Native Americans were not Israelites. Still, LDS apologists dismissed the scientific findings, even changing Lamanite settlements to South American ..
.. enter DNA evidence which conclusively proved Native Americans are not Israelites ..
.. pick up a recent printing of the Book of Mormon. In the introduction, you'll find the following: "Lamanites are the principal ancestors of the American Indians." ..
.. you gotta have faith baby, you gotta have faith ..
Totally, totally, totally.

Sam Harris said that we can determine that some religions are worse than others. "Mormonism," he said, "is objectively less real than Christianity because it's just Christianity with a bunch of extra stupid stuff thrown in."

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#127977 Oct 6, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, what is dark matter then?
We don't know its composition. We do know locations, though.
Uhm...what are they actually monitoring if not black holes?
Oh wise one, tell us all!
Black holes are not part of the dark matter. That is one aspect that we do know (if it were, the effects on the background radiation would be quite different).

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127978 Oct 6, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
What we call space is part of the mechanics of the universe.
Just a charge field occupying a portion of it changes the inherent value of it. Creates a density differential. This is the basis of gravity. This is something you find within atoms, so this is what gives the illusion of gravity being some mysterious inside out phenomenon, and the Higgs' boson theory.
It gets pumped by motion.
Your particle wave duality is nothing but this motion wrapped into a packet, particles, moving through space, creating a wave.
You can't move a "particle" without moving the space with it. Space gets displaced. There is your dark energy. Lot more space out there than matter.
You will find some theories of the Big Bang where the universe was monolithic, and the Big Bang was a singularity that expanded in it, creating our local version of space, and matter from that expanding bubble of that monolithic universe substance. So space is very much part of the circuitry. You can't have motion without it.
But then you have what was this monolithic universe our bubble was created in. On paper and mathwise, it is just a starting point, but in actuality, it had to be something.
But then this whole universe may be more illusory than you can imagine right now.
Seriously, grab a real text book on Physics and Math you are just embarrassing yourself.

You do realize we are just laughing AT you?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127979 Oct 6, 2012
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously, grab a real text book on Physics and Math you are just embarrassing yourself.
You do realize we are just laughing AT you?
You laugh at him all you want. I will just give a short chortle and skip :)
:)
:)
Chortles save time! Chortle power!

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127980 Oct 6, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Exodus is real.
I have the MP3.
It's by Bob Marley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BWw_gP0vDfEXX
I have seen the film.

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