Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127900 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> What does convincing you have to do with anything?
<quoted text> They are wrong on the dates. Folks in your camp do not take into account 1 Kings 6:1 which took place 966BC. 480 gets you back to around 1446BC. Late daters got it at 1290 which is about a 156 year difference. They figure the Exodus took place in 1445BC. Amenhotep II was Pharaoh and no match for his father Thutmose III who oppressed Israel and was probably the one who died in Exodus 2:23.
Then comes Amenhotep II and Moses returns to Egypt to confront Pharaoh. You can look at the differences in their rule and note that a lot of fighting and building went on during the reign of Thutmose and a lot less during the reign of Amenhotep. Egypt declines in power during Amenhotep. Assuming the Exodus took place in 1445 then 40 years of wandering gets you to 1405 BC for the destruction of Jericho.
http://allanturner.com/pharaoh.html
It's quite cute that you cite all these Christian apologists who, like you, will do anything to believe in the veracity of the Bible, despite evidence.

It's nice to contrast your weak, misleading and desperate citations against my, and others', academic ones.

You are really demonstrating how you people lie to yourself and what support mechanisms are involved in your web of deceit. Better make sure you never, ever read honest scholarship, though.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#127901 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
It's quite cute that you cite all these Christian apologists who, like you, will do anything to believe in the veracity of the Bible, despite evidence.
It's nice to contrast your weak, misleading and desperate citations against my, and others', academic ones.
You are really demonstrating how you people lie to yourself and what support mechanisms are involved in your web of deceit. Better make sure you never, ever read honest scholarship, though.
You said it better.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127902 Oct 5, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You said it better.
Catcher, I was just in my garden watching a praying mantis eat a bee! The bee's legs were moving and struggling and doing everything in their power to push the mantis away - all to no effect. I was thinking "how strange for residual muscles to resist like that" but then noticed the mantis was eating the bee in reverse: thorax to head! Right up until only the head was left, the bee struggled the entire time! Hard not to feel sorry for the little guy and hard not to think it had an awareness of the universe around it.

But I'm quite happy to have the mantis in my yard - eats grasshoppers normally.

:)

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#127903 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Catcher, I was just in my garden watching a praying mantis eat a bee! The bee's legs were moving and struggling and doing everything in their power to push the mantis away - all to no effect. I was thinking "how strange for residual muscles to resist like that" but then noticed the mantis was eating the bee in reverse: thorax to head! Right up until only the head was left, the bee struggled the entire time! Hard not to feel sorry for the little guy and hard not to think it had an awareness of the universe around it.
But I'm quite happy to have the mantis in my yard - eats grasshoppers normally.
:)
I understand. We're all a part of everything else.

And we don't just observe; we also feel.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#127904 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
It's quite cute that you cite all these Christian apologists who, like you, will do anything to believe in the veracity of the Bible, despite evidence.
It's nice to contrast your weak, misleading and desperate citations against my, and others', academic ones.
You are really demonstrating how you people lie to yourself and what support mechanisms are involved in your web of deceit. Better make sure you never, ever read honest scholarship, though.
Discredit the source because you do not like what it says. My initial source quotes academics. The only one who lies to self is you and others who convict Scripture as guilty until proven innocent. Again and again. Refuse to accept Scripture as evidence for anything other than myth. Even when 1 Kings refers to the Exodus as actual it is dismissed. All the ancients were wrong and your sources are right. Never mind they were 1000s years closer to the event. They are all sub standard according to critics. I was reviewing the past few pages and noted you initially dismissed EMS post as fiction which was rude so i think you have little to gripe about when you stated he asked a mis leading question as you invited the response given your trite dismissal of his post. Bersides, i don't think you were put off only by the question. There were other things going on. Who knows how long he spent just to bring that post here only to have you and others dismiss it. That is why you ahve a hard time to get academics to come on to sites like this. Why slum it? All you had to do was google and look for hostile opinions. There is more to the Exodus than just dismissive opinions which basically calls all the ancients liars and you elites know the real truth of the matter. No matter how much is thrown at you it is easy to predict your reaction.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#127905 Oct 5, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not in any "camp."
But I will tell you, it's clear as day that you are totally obsessed with a myth.
And nothing anybody says will penetrate your wall of denial.
You are certain that you have the truth.
A sad arrogance.
Not if it's true.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#127906 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Catcher, I was just in my garden watching a praying mantis eat a bee! The bee's legs were moving and struggling and doing everything in their power to push the mantis away - all to no effect. I was thinking "how strange for residual muscles to resist like that" but then noticed the mantis was eating the bee in reverse: thorax to head! Right up until only the head was left, the bee struggled the entire time! Hard not to feel sorry for the little guy and hard not to think it had an awareness of the universe around it.
But I'm quite happy to have the mantis in my yard - eats grasshoppers normally.
:)
I love the way jet looks in this :)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0e42847c4a/t...

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#127907 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Catcher, I was just in my garden watching a praying mantis eat a bee! The bee's legs were moving and struggling and doing everything in their power to push the mantis away - all to no effect. I was thinking "how strange for residual muscles to resist like that" but then noticed the mantis was eating the bee in reverse: thorax to head! Right up until only the head was left, the bee struggled the entire time! Hard not to feel sorry for the little guy and hard not to think it had an awareness of the universe around it.
But I'm quite happy to have the mantis in my yard - eats grasshoppers normally.
:)
He probably said grace before the meal.

Do you have velvet ants in Japan? How about stick bugs? Velvet ants squeal when they are attacked. I'm not really sure if they are technically ants. I've never seen more than one at a time. I haven't seen a stick bug in years. They're obviously hard to find.

“Proverbs 12:16”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#127908 Oct 5, 2012
I find it interesting that light brings data from various sources to support his arguments but your rebuttal is that it's all false but there is nothing cited to substantiate it. If you are going to say what he is posting is false perhapse you may want to cite some credible sources to back up your assertions so they don't look like simple conjecture or name calling "your a liar and a poopie head!"
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
It's quite cute that you cite all these Christian apologists who, like you, will do anything to believe in the veracity of the Bible, despite evidence.
It's nice to contrast your weak, misleading and desperate citations against my, and others', academic ones.
You are really demonstrating how you people lie to yourself and what support mechanisms are involved in your web of deceit. Better make sure you never, ever read honest scholarship, though.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#127909 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
A job usually held by girls. Since you have a tattle-tale mentality, you get to do it.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Is Misogyny a prerequisite of Christianity or is it the other way around?

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#127910 Oct 5, 2012
Rotflmfao! That apologetic nonsense is always good for a laugh :))
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>What does convincing you have to do with anything?
[QUOTE]- Egyptian records discussing the capturing of Israel and the enslaving of its people
- Egyptian records discussing the mass "exodus" of Israelites (half a million people just leave their society and they don't notice???)
- Egyptian records bewailing the fact that every single firstborn just died (quite an odd medical mystery, wouldn't you say?)
- if the Bible story on Exodus was written by one person instead of three plus a "redactor" who tried to unify the various accounts and, through his anachronistic additions, made it look even worse
- if we didn't have evidence that the Jews were already in the region in the time that Exodus purports to have happened"

They are wrong on the dates. Folks in your camp do not take into account 1 Kings 6:1 which took place 966BC. 480 gets you back to around 1446BC. Late daters got it at 1290 which is about a 156 year difference. They figure the Exodus took place in 1445BC. Amenhotep II was Pharaoh and no match for his father Thutmose III who oppressed Israel and was probably the one who died in Exodus 2:23.

Then comes Amenhotep II and Moses returns to Egypt to confront Pharaoh. You can look at the differences in their rule and note that a lot of fighting and building went on during the reign of Thutmose and a lot less during the reign of Amenhotep. Egypt declines in power during Amenhotep. Assuming the Exodus took place in 1445 then 40 years of wandering gets you to 1405 BC for the destruction of Jericho.
http://allanturner.com/pharaoh.html

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#127911 Oct 5, 2012
Why should anyone care about what one scripture says about another scripture?
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>Discredit the source because you do not like what it says. My initial source quotes academics. The only one who lies to self is you and others who convict Scripture as guilty until proven innocent. Again and again. Refuse to accept Scripture as evidence for anything other than myth. Even when 1 Kings refers to the Exodus as actual it is dismissed. All the ancients were wrong and your sources are right. Never mind they were 1000s years closer to the event. They are all sub standard according to critics. I was reviewing the past few pages and noted you initially dismissed EMS post as fiction which was rude so i think you have little to gripe about when you stated he asked a mis leading question as you invited the response given your trite dismissal of his post. Bersides, i don't think you were put off only by the question. There were other things going on. Who knows how long he spent just to bring that post here only to have you and others dismiss it. That is why you ahve a hard time to get academics to come on to sites like this. Why slum it? All you had to do was google and look for hostile opinions. There is more to the Exodus than just dismissive opinions which basically calls all the ancients liars and you elites know the real truth of the matter. No matter how much is thrown at you it is easy to predict your reaction.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#127912 Oct 5, 2012
Light pukes out apologetic reject sites that say oh hey look what this scripture says about another scripture or ohhhhhh look this scripture sounds kind of like an older one! Woohoo!

Lmfao!
EMS Servant wrote:
<quoted text>I find it interesting that light brings data from various sources to support his arguments but your rebuttal is that it's all false but there is nothing cited to substantiate it. If you are going to say what he is posting is false perhapse you may want to cite some credible sources to back up your assertions so they don't look like simple conjecture or name calling "your a liar and a poopie head!"

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127913 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Discredit the source because you do not like what it says. My initial source quotes academics. The only one who lies to self is you and others who convict Scripture as guilty until proven innocent. Again and again. Refuse to accept Scripture as evidence for anything other than myth. Even when 1 Kings refers to the Exodus as actual it is dismissed. All the ancients were wrong and your sources are right. Never mind they were 1000s years closer to the event. They are all sub standard according to critics. I was reviewing the past few pages and noted you initially dismissed EMS post as fiction which was rude so i think you have little to gripe about when you stated he asked a mis leading question as you invited the response given your trite dismissal of his post. Bersides, i don't think you were put off only by the question. There were other things going on. Who knows how long he spent just to bring that post here only to have you and others dismiss it. That is why you ahve a hard time to get academics to come on to sites like this. Why slum it? All you had to do was google and look for hostile opinions. There is more to the Exodus than just dismissive opinions which basically calls all the ancients liars and you elites know the real truth of the matter. No matter how much is thrown at you it is easy to predict your reaction.
Admittedly, there are two schools of thought concerning the date of the Exodus (i.e., the early date and late date theories). "Proponents of the late date theory (1290 B.C.) are clearly in the majority, but they reject clear Biblical statements with reference to the date of the Exodus. Therefore their arguments in favor of a particular pharaoh will not be considered in this article."

That is from your linked article. Do you really expect people to take your sources seriously when that is how they think? "Everyone else thinks this, but they don't believe in the bible like me, so let's ignore them."

Hilarious.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127914 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Discredit the source because you do not like what it says. My initial source quotes academics. The only one who lies to self is you and others who convict Scripture as guilty until proven innocent. Again and again. Refuse to accept Scripture as evidence for anything other than myth. Even when 1 Kings refers to the Exodus as actual it is dismissed. All the ancients were wrong and your sources are right. Never mind they were 1000s years closer to the event. They are all sub standard according to critics. I was reviewing the past few pages and noted you initially dismissed EMS post as fiction which was rude so i think you have little to gripe about when you stated he asked a mis leading question as you invited the response given your trite dismissal of his post. Bersides, i don't think you were put off only by the question. There were other things going on. Who knows how long he spent just to bring that post here only to have you and others dismiss it. That is why you ahve a hard time to get academics to come on to sites like this. Why slum it? All you had to do was google and look for hostile opinions. There is more to the Exodus than just dismissive opinions which basically calls all the ancients liars and you elites know the real truth of the matter. No matter how much is thrown at you it is easy to predict your reaction.
The ancients are the best!

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#127915 Oct 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'll wait.
Someplace else?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127916 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
I find it interesting that light brings data from various sources to support his arguments but your rebuttal is that it's all false but there is nothing cited to substantiate it. If you are going to say what he is posting is false perhapse you may want to cite some credible sources to back up your assertions so they don't look like simple conjecture or name calling "your a liar and a poopie head!"
<quoted text>
Are you joking? Both of you have been provided with multiple sources that all say the same thing - the exodus probably did not happen. Light posting a link to an apologetics website (whose author specifically says that he is ignoring the majority scholarship in favor of bible verses) is not "data from various sources." It's a desperate attempt to defend his beliefs based on another man's desperate attempt to substantiate his belief.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127917 Oct 5, 2012
Haha, wow, light, your "source" believes in the parting of the red sea. Is there no limit to his, and your, madness?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127918 Oct 5, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Someplace else?
Haha, if only.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127919 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Discredit the source because you do not like what it says.
Let's review. I post interviews and commentary from two archaeologists who are actually uncovering sites during the times in question.

You post the slanted views of the religious.

Yes, we can discredit your sources.

For example, read this laughable quote:

"History tells us that for several years after 1445 B.C. Amenhotep II was unable to carry out any invasions or extensive military operations. This would seem like very strange behavior for a pharaoh who hoped to equal his father's record of no less than seventeen military campaigns in nineteen years. But this is exactly what one would expect from a pharaoh who had lost almost all his cavalry, chariotry, and army at the Red Sea (Exodus 14:23, 27-30)."

Oh, that's truly awesome.
My initial source quotes academics.
I can't seem to find it.
The only one who lies to self is you and others who convict Scripture as guilty until proven innocent.
Not guilty. It's a mythology book, designed for people at that time.
Again and again. Refuse to accept Scripture as evidence for anything other than myth.
Yes, now you got it. And, no, I've already stated that some of the sites mentioned in the Bible are accurate. Just not all. Some that were mentioned - like Jericho - did not exist at the time stated in the Bible. So they were anachronistically added by later editors who were trying to unify the disparate versions.

Jewish scholars freely acknowledge that but you creatoinists are science and history deniers, so it's part of your religion to dismiss evidence.
Even when 1 Kings refers to the Exodus as actual it is dismissed. All the ancients were wrong and your sources are right.
Ah...the Egyptian sources also discredit the Bible's passages.
Never mind they were 1000s years closer to the event. They are all sub standard according to critics.
Well, when the writers add cities that they knew about that could not have existed during the happenings of their writing then, yes, we dismiss the writing as fantasy.
I was reviewing the past few pages and noted you initially dismissed EMS post as fiction which was rude so i think you have little to gripe about when you stated he asked a mis leading question as you invited the response given your trite dismissal of his post.
Yes, and then I apologized and admitted my mistake, while noting that scholars have said "you have to have faith to connect those two stories."
Bersides, i don't think you were put off only by the question. There were other things going on. Who knows how long he spent just to bring that post here only to have you and others dismiss it. That is why you ahve a hard time to get academics to come on to sites like this. Why slum it?
You mean, why do I post here at all? I like some of the people. It makes for procrastination.
All you had to do was google and look for hostile opinions. There is more to the Exodus than just dismissive opinions which basically calls all the ancients liars and you elites know the real truth of the matter. No matter how much is thrown at you it is easy to predict your reaction.
You've never posted a non-apologetic opinion that uses actual evidence to back up your beliefs.

I make use of academics - many of whom are Jewish and whom you would assume would have vested interests in supporting their Holy writings. That they don't is telling:

1. they're more honest than you and your religion
2. they have higher standards in evidence based research
3. they're critical thinkers and can separate religious versus scientific knowledge

I even posted material from the Jewish government acknowledging that the Bible isn't accurate and discussing what that means to their identity as a nation.

You aren't even capable of engaging in such a learned discussion.

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