Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#127860 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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It’s been a lively discussion and mannerly which is very much appreciated. I really enjoy talking to you and others. I thank you for your participation in the discussion.
We used to get blessed.

What happened to your blessings?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127861 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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It’s been a lively discussion and mannerly which is very much appreciated. I really enjoy talking to you and others. I thank you for your participation in the discussion.
Why thank you eagle.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127862 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
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I have yet to see anyone mention anything regarding Leiden Payprus #344 aside the allegation that it is fiction. Was Leiden Payprus #344 already discussed? If so it shouldn't be that hard to list at least one historian who has come to that conclusion as I had requested.
My apologies, the papyrus is not fiction. I meant that linking it to Exodus is by asking which historians disagree with the analysis - that seems to me the backwards way to go about it. What support is given that it reinforces the story of Exodus?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127863 Oct 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Woah there, tim. Your gods, the scientists, preach about things like dark matter & black holes and how much they "influence" the universe even though neither one of them have been proven!
And people like you blindly follow...
Do you know what dark matter is? Do you know what a black hole is? Do you know that we've found black holes and are monitoring them now?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#127864 Oct 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
So......
NONE of you have solid proof that The Bible is a myth, or fairy tale....
Right.
Got it.
You BELIEVE it to be so.......
Admit that. If nothing else.
Are the stories about Zeus and Odin myths?

Did Snow White really sleep with all those dwarfs?

There's this thing called skepticism...

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127865 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
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So I guess you don't have an answer on any historians who believe that document to be ficiton. So you are speaking from your own "expert opinion"? Do you have a terminal degree in archeology or ancient history?...or was that a comment fired from somewhere other than your mouth?
Honestly, archaeology is my weak point. I don't know much about it and am not overly familiar with its methodologies. Lots of my friends are archaeologists and the tell me lots of interesting stuff and it's even part of a course I teach, and I was even offered a position doing archaeology, but it really and truly is my weak point.

It's fascinating stuff, though. Love reading about it, especially the Mayans.

Here's the thing: all people throughout history have experienced natural disasters and catastrophes. I've read quite a few accounts that read like the one you posted where "we had to turn out the slaves, we no longer had bread, highborn ladies couldn't even do X" etc. Years after the events, they're turned into mythologies - natural disasters make for great mythology.

So...what's surprising about the papyrus you presented? What links it to Exodus? The translation in English sounds similar, sure, but given that they were written at two different times, that the translations in English of other catastrophes sound like that, on what basis would you conclude it supports the Exodus story?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127866 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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It’s been a lively discussion and mannerly which is very much appreciated. I really enjoy talking to you and others. I thank you for your participation in the discussion.
You could convince me Exodus happened, especially if we found:

- Egyptian records discussing the capturing of Israel and the enslaving of its people
- Egyptian records discussing the mass "exodus" of Israelites (half a million people just leave their society and they don't notice???)
- Egyptian records bewailing the fact that every single firstborn just died (quite an odd medical mystery, wouldn't you say?)
- if the Bible story on Exodus was written by one person instead of three plus a "redactor" who tried to unify the various accounts and, through his anachronistic additions, made it look even worse
- if we didn't have evidence that the Jews were already in the region in the time that Exodus purports to have happened

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#127867 Oct 5, 2012
Tim, why you gotta ignore my questions? Do they make too much sense for ya?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127868 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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You have no proof the Exodus didn’t happen.
I’m standing on the Biblical account. Which was not written last week but thousands of years ago.
The fact the Jews celebrate the Passover and have for thousands of years.
Slavery was common place for the period.
The insurmountable task of building the pyramids required massive amounts of labor.
No nation could afford to pay thousands of employees during the time period and remain solvent.
There're political reasons and cause not to bring forth further evidence in reference to the Exodus.
Plagues are not impossible and have happened throughout history.
Egypt was a super power. Then it slid into a third world status. What caused this slide? A. Exodus.
Wondering 40 years in the desert is a very insignificant amount of time when you compare it to ethnic groups that have lived thousands of years in one region.
Very little archeological excavating and searching has been conduct outside of the pyramids. Some perhaps but not near enough to support the claims of no Exodus.
The Exodus happened, sorry that it goes against what you believe but it did happen.
You gave no rebuttal, however, thank you for asserting strongly that you believe in your mythic religion.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#127869 Oct 5, 2012
Yes, Hiding. I know of the hypthesized dark matter. I also know that it's pure myth that your gods have put into place to fill in the blanks of their other guesses...
And monitoring black holes? lol, they believe they are...

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#127870 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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My apologies, the papyrus is not fiction. I meant that linking it to Exodus is by asking which historians disagree with the analysis - that seems to me the backwards way to go about it. What support is given that it reinforces the story of Exodus?
In the article cited you got plague and the river is blood. Slave revolting. In the Exodus account you have the Nile river to blood. 7:14-24. There is disease on cattle. 9:1-7. Boils/Sores on men and animal. 9:8-12. Darkness. 10:21-29. The land is not light [dark]. Do you need a roadmap? Got a better explanation?

http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.ht...

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127871 Oct 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Yes, Hiding. I know of the hypthesized dark matter. I also know that it's pure myth that your gods have put into place to fill in the blanks of their other guesses...
And monitoring black holes? lol, they believe they are...
Ok, what is dark matter then?

Uhm...what are they actually monitoring if not black holes?

Oh wise one, tell us all!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#127872 Oct 5, 2012
I'm not pndering to your needs, Hiding.
Dark matter & black holes remain scientific guesses & have not been discovered.
But, as an atheist, I'm sure you believe anything you're white coats tell you...

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127873 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Ok, what is dark matter then?
Uhm...what are they actually monitoring if not black holes?
Oh wise one, tell us all!
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/category/bla...

You will not see a black hole. You may see illustrations of what they think is there based upon gravity attractions, and you guessed it, EM observations using EM devices.

All of those guesses are based upon models they assume are correct based upon other models based on other models, and so on, based upon mathematical assumptions. Derived from observations here.

They are projecting what they want to see.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127874 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Do you know what dark matter is? Do you know what a black hole is? Do you know that we've found black holes and are monitoring them now?
I'm gonna guess the answer would be no to all 3 of those questions.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127875 Oct 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Tim, why you gotta ignore my questions? Do they make too much sense for ya?
Why are you singling me out?

What questions did you ask me that haven't been answered a thousand times before? I don't want to pick on you - if you think exclaiming to me that I can't prove that god doesn't exist is a compelling argument, then you are an idiot.

If you think black holes don't exist, then you are an idiot. Do you know what a black hole is? Describe one.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127876 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/category/bla...
You will not see a black hole. You may see illustrations of what they think is there based upon gravity attractions, and you guessed it, EM observations using EM devices.
All of those guesses are based upon models they assume are correct based upon other models based on other models, and so on, based upon mathematical assumptions. Derived from observations here.
They are projecting what they want to see.
But everyone knows it's really magnets. There's a giant magnet at the center of the milky way.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127877 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>But everyone knows it's really magnets. There's a giant magnet at the center of the milky way.
http://www.ns.umich.edu/new/releases/20183-a-...

http://www.mpg.de/4677218/magnetic_field_patt...

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127878 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>But everyone knows it's really magnets. There's a giant magnet at the center of the milky way.
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~reid/bfield.html

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127879 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>But everyone knows it's really magnets. There's a giant magnet at the center of the milky way.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/...

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