Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#127793 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Amusing.
Isn't it bedtime yet?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127794 Oct 5, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Isn't it bedtime yet?
?

You liked that, eh?

Go ahead, get ready, I'll be in there before long.

Since: Sep 11

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#127795 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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There're political implications that prevents real evidence from coming forward regarding to the Exodus story. These blocks and obstacles stand in the way of truth. These nations that have a deep seated hatred for Israel will never admit to the Exodus.
Celebrations and Holidays can be traced back in time as to their origins. For example we have the Forth of July in the United States. Mexico has Cinco de Mayo. France has Bastille day. The Jews have the Passover.
The Passover has its origins from Exodus. It in itself is evidence. Denying the Passover is an act of antisemitism. Youíre saying to the Jews, you have no historical record.
Hey look, stick you head in the sand or put on blinders if it makes your day. Telling the Jews the Passover didnít happen is like telling a Texan the Alamo never happened. We know different and both the Alamo and the Exodus happened.
You are starting to get ridiculous. Questioning a story that is of very questionable historical veracity is antisemitism? Do you have nothing else to fall back on?

There is no evidence. Stop making excuses and just believe it on faith. Isn't that what you are supposed to do? Don't be a doubting Thomas now.

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#127796 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wri ght/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.ht...
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_f...
The above are outstanding examples of how to get kids off drugs, and into permanent disconnect from reality. Immerse them in math and math based physics,
The second link is a great example of how thinking in math formulas accomplishes that. You have this magical expansion on paper. Numbers jumping to numbers. No physicality to visualize or links explaining the expansion and how it could be done.
People more based in real physics would visualize it another way. A botanist or carpenter might see it as a bud forming and expanding out into the greater universe. A chemist may see a crystal expanding. But these math guys see magic. All of their physics and cosmology is based upon this magic of theoretical numbers just expanding and dancing around. Voodoo physics. Gets their heads warped.
And an electrician might see magnets everywhere.

Since: Sep 11

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#127797 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Amusing.
And of course, nothing.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#127798 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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You get a gold star by your name and get to sit next to the teacher. When the teacher steps out of the class you get to write down all the names of all the boys who misbehave. A job usually held by girls. Since you have a tattle-tale mentality, you get to do it.
Oh what the hell go ahead and write my name on the board. Cause you know Iím going to smile and flip the bird at you as soon as the teacher leaves.
Oh Eagle, You proved you can be humurous and intelligent. If all your posts were as good as this one, I know several 'non-believers' who would respect you.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#127799 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You are starting to get ridiculous. Questioning a story that is of very questionable historical veracity is antisemitism? Do you have nothing else to fall back on?
There is no evidence. Stop making excuses and just believe it on faith. Isn't that what you are supposed to do? Don't be a doubting Thomas now.
Actually he made a reality point.

Archeology in the Middle East is repressed by both sides because of the political implications. Since 1949 the archeology and history of the area has been little science and more "prove my religion".

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#127800 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>And an electrician might see magnets everywhere.
It's "coils" my friend. Coils!

<evil laugh>

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127802 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Darling, the pyramids are evidence of a hell of a lot of labor. A gargantuan labor pool.
How can you just look the other way and pretend these pyramids werenít built on slave labor?
Evidence in the form of:

1. accounting writings (food and pay for laborers)
2. laborer graves
3. descriptions of where the laborers come from, when they worked
4. descriptions of slaves in Egypt
During the time period, slavery was used by every powerful nation in the world. Egypt could not have supported these massive projects without the use of slaves. It was free labor! Now the task masters and engineers had to be Egyptians. So there were Egyptians helping to build the pyramids.
Sure. Provide some archaeological evidence, as I have to back up your bold assertions.
What is the motivation to deny the use of slaves?
The Egyptians, Syrians and every neighbor of the Jewish nation in the region hate Israel. Thereís no way in hell theyíre ever going to give credence to the using slave labor. Nor will they report any archeological finds that supports biblical accounts.
Doing so would legitimize Israelís place in history and their modern day statehood. I donít expect you to agree with what Iím saying. Because the denying of evidence by these countries fitís the atheist ideology.
The archaeology is often done by Jews, supported by Israel. They have every reason to say "gosh, look the Bible is legitimate" but they don't, because they're trained archaeologists. And the nation of Israel is stronger than that - they don't need to deny the findings of archaeology to feel good about themselves. They freely acknowledge what the Bible is: a mythology designed to provide cultural identity to the ancient Israelites.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#127803 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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There're political implications that prevents real evidence from coming forward regarding to the Exodus story. These blocks and obstacles stand in the way of truth. These nations that have a deep seated hatred for Israel will never admit to the Exodus.
Funny, I have an archeology book written by a couple of Israeli scholars who acknowledge that the Exodus is a fairy tale.
Sorry, but the actual facts don't support your viewpoint.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127804 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>And of course, nothing.
Worth responding to. True.

“Proverbs 12:16”

Since: Jun 11

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#127805 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> And i am pointing out to you and everyone here around 2500 or so years ago those people believed the Exodus happened. You and others are saying they are wrong. Amenhotep II was not the first born son of his father and his first born son did not go to the throne. Remember the first born was to die? It is Thutmose III then Amenhotep II then Thutmose IV. Answer my question. Why would they write the Exodus as a marker if the event did not happen? 1 Kings 6:1
Reference the Ipuwer Papyrus, it dates to about the same time as when the Bible places the Exodus and describes many of the same calamaties as well as slaves rebeling and leaving their masters. It was originally discovered in 1909 so it's certainly been around for a while.

Here is a translation:

http://www.google.com/url...

Since: Jun 12

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#127806 Oct 5, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> LULZ...
You only believe "your ancients". All others, in your opinion, are fakes.
Do you believe Vishnu exists?
Why?
We are not addressing Vishnu which is a red herring. We are addressing an event. The Exodus. Here is an interesting article.

A papyrus dating from the end of the old kingdom was found in the early 19th century in Egypt. It seems to be an eyewitness account of the events preceding the dissolution of the Old Kingdom. It's author, an Egyptain named Ipuwer, writes:

Plague is throughout the land. Blood is everywhere.
The river is blood.
That is our water! That is our happiness! What shall we do in respect thereof? All is ruin!
Trees are destroyed.
No fruit or herb found...
Forsooth, gates, columns and walls are consumed by fire.
Forsooth, grain has perished from every side.
The land is not light [dark].

http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.ht...

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127807 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> As can historical method. You have two accounts Egyptian and Hebrew. Critics are far more critical of Hebrew as it relate to the Old Testament. When you look at both accounts there are some interesting parallels. They have the records of the Pharoahs and their accomplishments in warfare and building construction which jibes with Scripture accounts for that period in many ways. The Exodus as history is plausable to say the least if one looks at all the available evidence with an open mind using historical method. More later. Got the info at home. At work now.
There's more than two accounts. We have the written accounts, plus the archaeological evidence. When they coincide, they support each other. When they contradict, something is wrong. Archaeologists side with the arky data since it enjoys greater objectivity.

Sure, the Exodus as history is plausible. Most of the of the non-miracles accounts of history in the Bible are plausible. The problem is the Exodus story just happens to be false. All the arky tells us this - and you know what? The Jews of Israel have no problems understanding what Exodus is, a unification story to provide solidification and identity for the Israelites. It separated them from the other peoples in the region and justified their conquest of some of the lands.

These kinds of stories aren't rare. The "we walked for a long time and our deity gave us this land" is a recurring theme. The Aztecs used it, too. Their deity, Quetzalcoatl, gave them Tenochtitlan (Mexico city) and told them where to stop by having an Eagle with a ribbon in its mouth (now a snake, now on their peso).

Do you believe it? Do you believe Quetzalcoatl divinely told the Aztecs where to build their city?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127808 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Letís stay focused, weíre not talking about vampires, dragons, and other characters which have nothing to do with the Exodus.
hahahaha! Oh, that's great on soooooooooo many levels!

Thanks!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127809 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Slaves didn't pay taxes. They were property of the State.
Exactly! This is the problem with your argument. The accounting records quite clearly indicate that the builders of the pyramids were not slaves.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127810 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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The truth?
Like the Egyptians put up a bid?
Then hired a contractor with the lowest bid?
Well the contractor so happened to be ďAbraham & Sons Inc.Ē
No one could out bid them because they supplied free labor.
The truth is it was forced labor. Slave labor.
Why do you need it to be slave labor so badly, despite the findings of archaeology?

I see your problem here as a general problem of your religion - it denies science. You deny biological science, history and now archaeology.

What you're doing is precisely what the Exodus story in the OT does: creating a mythological story to give you a religious identity.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127811 Oct 5, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Actually he made a reality point.
Archeology in the Middle East is repressed by both sides because of the political implications. Since 1949 the archeology and history of the area has been little science and more "prove my religion".
In recent years, say the last 30, those trying to "prove my religion" aren't archaeologists, but religious people supported by their churches. They don't do archaeology, make stuff up and are incapable of extracting evidence from their "finds."

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127812 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
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Reference the Ipuwer Papyrus, it dates to about the same time as when the Bible places the Exodus and describes many of the same calamaties as well as slaves rebeling and leaving their masters. It was originally discovered in 1909 so it's certainly been around for a while.
Here is a translation:
http://www.google.com/url...
Pure fiction.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#127813 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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There's more than two accounts. We have the written accounts, plus the archaeological evidence. When they coincide, they support each other. When they contradict, something is wrong. Archaeologists side with the arky data since it enjoys greater objectivity.
Sure, the Exodus as history is plausible. Most of the of the non-miracles accounts of history in the Bible are plausible. The problem is the Exodus story just happens to be false. All the arky tells us this - and you know what? The Jews of Israel have no problems understanding what Exodus is, a unification story to provide solidification and identity for the Israelites. It separated them from the other peoples in the region and justified their conquest of some of the lands.
These kinds of stories aren't rare. The "we walked for a long time and our deity gave us this land" is a recurring theme. The Aztecs used it, too. Their deity, Quetzalcoatl, gave them Tenochtitlan (Mexico city) and told them where to stop by having an Eagle with a ribbon in its mouth (now a snake, now on their peso).
Do you believe it? Do you believe Quetzalcoatl divinely told the Aztecs where to build their city?
...ah, the story of the Mexodus, good read...

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