Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#127826 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You liked that, eh?
Go ahead, get ready, I'll be in there before long.
NOW is it bedtime?

You need to recharge those magnets, you know.

Since: Sep 11

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#127827 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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If you really look at the archeology for the area you will find itís sparse. Iím not talking about pyramids per say. Lots of archeology there but beyond that it is very scarce.
Even if this were true, so what? You are basically saying that if the bible says something, and there is no historical evidence to confirm or deny it, then it is by default true. Do you realize how absurd that is?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127828 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>How so? I am genuinely asking you to give me a primer in Dave world theory. Prove it, and don't tell me to swing magnets around.
Go back through my posts for the last 2 years.

If I thought you were sincere, which I know you aren't, I would consider posting an update of them.

It's all basic applied physics expanded. No voodoo.

“Proverbs 12:16”

Since: Jun 11

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#127829 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
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Which historians believe this document to be fiction?
BTW the technical name is Leiden Payprus #344 it is located in the National Archeological Museum in Netherlands.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127830 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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If you really look at the archeology for the area you will find itís sparse. Iím not talking about pyramids per say. Lots of archeology there but beyond that it is very scarce.
Why don't you try reading what the archaeologists have to say:

http://www.ekt.bme.hu/CM-BSC-MSC/WhoBuiltTheP...

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127831 Oct 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Funny, poly. I have a book that says the Exodus IS real...
Sorry, but the actual facts don't support your "evidence".
Again, try reading what archaeologists say.

http://www.ekt.bme.hu/CM-BSC-MSC/WhoBuiltTheP...

Since: Sep 11

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#127832 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Have you stopped beating your wife?
What? Lol

“Proverbs 12:16”

Since: Jun 11

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#127833 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Have you stopped beating your wife?
So I guess you don't have an answer on any historians who believe that document to be ficiton. So you are speaking from your own "expert opinion"? Do you have a terminal degree in archeology or ancient history?...or was that a comment fired from somewhere other than your mouth?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#127834 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Evidence in the form of:
1. accounting writings (food and pay for laborers)
2. laborer graves
3. descriptions of where the laborers come from, when they worked
4. descriptions of slaves in Egypt
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Sure. Provide some archaeological evidence, as I have to back up your bold assertions.
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The archaeology is often done by Jews, supported by Israel. They have every reason to say "gosh, look the Bible is legitimate" but they don't, because they're trained archaeologists. And the nation of Israel is stronger than that - they don't need to deny the findings of archaeology to feel good about themselves. They freely acknowledge what the Bible is: a mythology designed to provide cultural identity to the ancient Israelites.
Thanks!

Since: Sep 11

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#127835 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Go back through my posts for the last 2 years.
If I thought you were sincere, which I know you aren't, I would consider posting an update of them.
It's all basic applied physics expanded. No voodoo.
I am certainly not going to do that. But fine.

Since: Jun 12

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#127836 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Have you stopped beating your wife?
Answer the question please. It is a legit question. You made the statement it is fiction. Now back it up.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#127837 Oct 5, 2012
It is the truth.

Zero proof of Hebrew slaves in Egypt on some massive scale. Egyptians themselves were more likely to be slaves and they were not allowed to work on prestigious projects.

Zero proof of the exodus.

Zero passages in the bible saying Moses' people built the pyramids.

Everything else is your speculation nothing more.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>That very well could have been the case. Except for the fact that slavery was a major part of the time period. And a super power like Egypt couldn’t have that kind of power without slavery. I mean who are we kidding, if we don’t believe slavery was used?

If Hoover Dam had been built in this time period in Egypt. I guarantee you slaves would have been used. Slavery was a part of the landscape. Egypt was no different than any other nation in the region.

If you were the Pharaoh and had a choice between free labor or paid labor which would you have chosen? If you go with paid labor you won’t be able to do major projects without depleting the national treasury.

Since: Sep 11

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#127838 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
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So I guess you don't have an answer on any historians who believe that document to be ficiton. So you are speaking from your own "expert opinion"? Do you have a terminal degree in archeology or ancient history?...or was that a comment fired from somewhere other than your mouth?
I believe several historians who believe it to be fiction have already been named.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#127839 Oct 5, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Funny, I have an archeology book written by a couple of Israeli scholars who acknowledge that the Exodus is a fairy tale.
Sorry, but the actual facts don't support your viewpoint.
Many Jews assert that the Torah is "poetry" and "parables" and never was intended or accepted as "science" and "history".

There are a few literalist/fundamnetlaist Jews, just as in Christianity and Islam, that can not tell the difference between legend from reality.

Although vocal (and often violent) they do not reflect the mainstream adherents to thir respective religions.
Sadly, few within the religions have the balls to denounce their radical and ignorant bretheren.

Since: Sep 11

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#127840 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Answer the question please. It is a legit question. You made the statement it is fiction. Now back it up.
It already has been backed up. But would anything convince you anyway? You consider the bible true by default. If you could hop in a time machine to go check for yourself, and you found no evidence, you would probably rationalize it as the devil tricking you or a test from god.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127841 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
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So I guess you don't have an answer on any historians who believe that document to be ficiton. So you are speaking from your own "expert opinion"? Do you have a terminal degree in archeology or ancient history?...or was that a comment fired from somewhere other than your mouth?
My point is that you asked a misleading question. No historians would describe that document as accurate if they read it. But no historian would read it, it's just fiction.

We have to reverse your strange request and ask "which archaeologists describe that document as authentic?" And, remember, when we're talking about Egypt and Exodus, we're using archaeologists, not historians.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127842 Oct 5, 2012
EMS Servant wrote:
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Reference the Ipuwer Papyrus, it dates to about the same time as when the Bible places the Exodus and describes many of the same calamaties as well as slaves rebeling and leaving their masters. It was originally discovered in 1909 so it's certainly been around for a while.
Here is a translation:
http://www.google.com/url...
It's been dated to the 13th Dynasty(1802-1649 BCE).

Which, removes it from any association with biblical stories.

It doesn't add up.

“Proverbs 12:16”

Since: Jun 11

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#127843 Oct 5, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I believe several historians who believe it to be fiction have already been named.
I have yet to see anyone mention anything regarding Leiden Payprus #344 aside the allegation that it is fiction. Was Leiden Payprus #344 already discussed? If so it shouldn't be that hard to list at least one historian who has come to that conclusion as I had requested.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#127844 Oct 5, 2012
So......

NONE of you have solid proof that The Bible is a myth, or fairy tale....

Right.

Got it.

You BELIEVE it to be so.......

Admit that. If nothing else.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#127845 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Answer the question please. It is a legit question. You made the statement it is fiction. Now back it up.
So anyone can just post a paper of a "translation" and it's legitimate until we demonstrate how many scientists denounce it?

That's crazy, but it exemplifies how you creationists think.

He did not post a legitimate scholarly article, but some body's fiction. If it's legitimate, why didn't he cite an academic source? Why isn't it being discussed in archaeology?

He didn't even post a legitimate question, but a logical fallacy - the same logical fallacy as the question I asked in return. He's making unwarranted assumptions within the question itself.

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