Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127723 Oct 5, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
1. The pyraomids were built mikenia before the Hebrews even existed.
2. The Hebrews are the same peole as the Canaanires.
3. There is no record in all of Egypt for slave labor. Rather the archaelogical record and several written records indicates that laborers on the royal building projects were well provided for.
4. Even many Jewish scholars admit that the "Exodus" is more Heroic Legend than History.
5. Jesus never mentions Exodus, Pharoe or Egypt. So as far as Chrisitnaity should be concerned, it is as meaningless as Stonehenge is to Hinduism.
Yup to all.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#127724 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
As far as evidence of slave labor. The evidence stands tall in the form of pyramids.
False. Pyramids are evidence of labor, not slave labor.

Why do you choose to ignore new information, like the article I quoted for you that discussed the findings of an archaeologist?

It's a weak belief system that only seeks to support itself - a lot like Sadam Husein's gov't.

Strong belief systems challenge their beliefs, test the boundaries. Do we really know what we know? How accurate is what we know?

None of you theists do this. Dave is happy to pretend in his delusions that he has it all figured out. You're making the same mistake here and with other knowledge.

I don't. I actively test my knowledge and actively disbelieve it. That keeps my knowledge up to date, secure in a way yours can never be. You'll always be fighting new information whereas I'll be pondering it.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127725 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I moved from Houston to Illinois. If you go over the 800 miles between here and there you will find no evidence of my move.
Why?
Because I took everything with me.
Just come out and say what we all know. You have no proof to counter the Exodus story except innuendos and hunches.
False. Tax records would show where you lived before you moved. They would show how you were treated on the job, your pay, benefits, etc.

Egyptians left records behind, too. And these quite clearly demonstrate the laborers of the pyramids were not slaves, no matter what your Hollywood Bible fantasies are.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#127726 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
It can be very cute when the kiddies come running home all excited about something new they learned about in school.
It can be very exasperating and a pain in the ass when they get into arguments with you because they don't understand what they learned. They get these little emotional mental blocks that takes time for them to get over.
I take it your kids are trying to educate you. Good luck to them.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127727 Oct 5, 2012
River Tam wrote:
I had sex with a new girl last night. She'd never done a gimp before. Now she has something to talk about.
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
God wants better than that for you.
River Tam, God wants you to have two new girls.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127728 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you dear sir!:)
Dave is the ignorant foil we use to answer questions. Honestly, I'd like a somewhat more informed, less insane foil, but this is what we got stuck with. Answering his level is a bit insulting to the readers, since they'd generally have greater education and not be delusional, but oh well. Sorry readers.
Amusing.

You use those words informed and educated so much as a basis of intelligence.

You don't understand those words. They both denote being programmed.

Who is programming you, little girl? Do you expect this programming to bear fruit?

You do understand that it would be easier to dump all of that info and logic rules into a computer and get better faster and results than into a confused human head?

No, you don't.

If you had true intelligence, you would examine your programming for errors.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127729 Oct 5, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Let's put this in perspective, 99% of gay men prefer oral anal sex
You've done a lot of work on this, have you?

One question: what is "oral anal sex"???

You are one seriously talented gay man, if you can do both at the same time. Either that or you've got two johns enjoying your loins, pal.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127730 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
It can be very cute when the kiddies come running home all excited about something new they learned about in school.
It can be very exasperating and a pain in the ass when they get into arguments with you because they don't understand what they learned. They get these little emotional mental blocks that takes time for them to get over.
Your poor kids! They come home to tell you something new they learned in school, because it was so amazing to them, they just wanted to share. And, delusional, old, embittered, you have to argue and say "no, no! noooooo, it doesn't work like that. I don't care how much research anyone did. I had an NDE, so I am the sole owner of the truth! The trrrrrutfth.' <cough, cough, spittle, spittle>

Get a hold of yourself, Moonbeam. You're coming apart at the seams.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#127731 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That was pretty weak.
Hang a 100 ton block of rock. Hang a one pound bar of steel perfectly parallel adjacent to it so it just rests against the surface. Approach, you don't even have to contact it, the one pound bar with a refrigerator magnet. It will pull the bar away from the block. The magnetism in that refrigerator will overcome the gravity pull of the block, PLUS the pull of gravity of the earth on the bar, as for it to swing away it has to rise up a bit. The arc of the string.
How close do you have to be for this to happen? yes, the gravity of that rock is small. But that of the earth is larger. If that refrigerator magnet is more than a meter away, its influence can be ignored.
Iron filings in a flux field line up between the poles. Each filing is a separate magnet. You will get the same effect if you magnetize one filing, the rest will get caught in the filed and start adding up until the total excess of magnetism is used up.
Excess magnetism??? You are kidding, aren't you?
The iron is EM neutral until an external magnetic field affects it, and it tries to pass that excess on.
I guess you're not. LMAO
Over 99% of the matter in the universe is not EM neutral.
How about comparing the total EM force on the earth from the sun with the total gravitational force? Which would be larger and by how much?
I posted a link a few days ago about short bursts of inrafred light being used to change magnetic domains. This was mainstream science research. This was light, EM, introducing an excess of magnetism to an EM neutral material.
Yes, under *very* specific circumstances.

[QUOTE] How far does light travel in this universe? As far as you can see?
Light particles can travel at least 13 billion light years and alter the EM signature of a neutral material, then making it subject to other magnetic fields more local to it. Energy 13 billion years from the past.
yes, the EM wave affects the rods and cones in your eyes *if* it is intense enough. Or, it can influence the CD camera *if* it is magnified and intensified by a telescope.
Smoke that.
What's to smoke? Nothing here that isn't very, very well known and part of standard science.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127732 Oct 5, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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How close do you have to be for this to happen? yes, the gravity of that rock is small. But that of the earth is larger. If that refrigerator magnet is more than a meter away, its influence can be ignored.
<quoted text>
Excess magnetism??? You are kidding, aren't you?
<quoted text>
I guess you're not. LMAO
<quoted text>
How about comparing the total EM force on the earth from the sun with the total gravitational force? Which would be larger and by how much?
<quoted text>
yes, the EM wave affects the rods and cones in your eyes *if* it is intense enough. Or, it can influence the CD camera *if* it is magnified and intensified by a telescope.
<quoted text>
What's to smoke? Nothing here that isn't very, very well known and part of standard science.
You are totally full of shit, and totally out of touch with the physical basis of physics. You just have no grasp of physical linkage.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127733 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Thank you dear sir!:)
Dave is the ignorant foil we use to answer questions. Honestly, I'd like a somewhat more informed, less insane foil, but this is what we got stuck with. Answering his level is a bit insulting to the readers, since they'd generally have greater education and not be delusional, but oh well. Sorry readers.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amusing.
You use those words informed and educated so much as a basis of intelligence.
Hey, no problem. Glad you're taking it well and performing your role to the best of your ability.

Keep up the good work, there's a hero cookie in it for you :)
:)
:)

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#127734 Oct 5, 2012
Hey you do get something out of that kind of prayer! Lol!
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>A kid walked by his mother's bedroom and saw her on the bed masturbating, saying, "Oh god, I need a man. Oh god, I need a man".

Two nights later, he walked by his mom's room and a naked man walked out, excused himself, went to the bathroom, urinated and walked back into his mom's room and closed the door. The boy immediately went back to his room, started masturbating furiously saying, "Oh god, I need a bicycle. Oh god, I need a bicycle.".

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#127735 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are totally full of shit, and totally out of touch with the physical basis of physics. You just have no grasp of physical linkage.
Uh-oh, did someone have a widdle, iddy-biddy meltdown? Who had a meltdown, a widdle, iddy-biddy meltdown? It was you, Moonbeam. Yes it was! Yes it was! Who's a cute widdle meltdown boi? You are! Yes you are! You're such a cute widdle boi!

Don't let the big, bad physicist tell you how physics works! Don't let him bother you like that. One day, one day, without any evidence or rational, you'll prove to him who knows more about physics! Yes you will. Yes you will! And he will learn alllll about EM waves, won't he, won't he?!?

Who's a cute widdle boy? You are, yes you are! And you won't need any mathematical model or anything. No, you won't! No, you won't! No mathematical models, evidence or anything! Just pure imagination, devoid of all facts and reasoning - that's how real physics is made.

You'll show him that you just get it. All by yourself, all on your own. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay! It's just you!

Now have a warm cookie and forget all about the big, bad physicist.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127736 Oct 5, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
That was pretty weak.
Hang a 100 ton block of rock. Hang a one pound bar of steel perfectly parallel adjacent to it so it just rests against the surface. Approach, you don't even have to contact it, the one pound bar with a refrigerator magnet. It will pull the bar away from the block. The magnetism in that refrigerator will overcome the gravity pull of the block, PLUS the pull of gravity of the earth on the bar, as for it to swing away it has to rise up a bit. The arc of the string.
Iron filings in a flux field line up between the poles. Each filing is a separate magnet. You will get the same effect if you magnetize one filing, the rest will get caught in the filed and start adding up until the total excess of magnetism is used up.
The iron is EM neutral until an external magnetic field affects it, and it tries to pass that excess on.
Over 99% of the matter in the universe is not EM neutral.
I posted a link a few days ago about short bursts of inrafred light being used to change magnetic domains. This was mainstream science research. This was light, EM, introducing an excess of magnetism to an EM neutral material. How far does light travel in this universe? As far as you can see?
Light particles can travel at least 13 billion light years and alter the EM signature of a neutral material, then making it subject to other magnetic fields more local to it. Energy 13 billion years from the past.
Smoke that.
.
Oh my god. I apologize Dave. I'll stop making fun of you.
.
It really isn't your fault. And I'm a total ass for being mean to you.
.
Take care.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127737 Oct 5, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> And i am pointing out to you and everyone here around 2500 or so years ago those people believed the Exodus happened. You and others are saying they are wrong. Amenhotep II was not the first born son of his father and his first born son did not go to the throne. Remember the first born was to die? It is Thutmose III then Amenhotep II then Thutmose IV. Answer my question. Why would they write the Exodus as a marker if the event did not happen? 1 Kings 6:1
Your question is meaningless. For you to posit that because people believed in something 2000 years ago, or 4000 years ago, or 30 minutes ago, and still believe it, does not mean that a belief is true.

Let me illustrate something to you, again.



Why did people at one time believe in the Minotaur?

Why did people at one time believe in Heracles?

Why did people at one time believe in Attis?

Why did people at one time believe in Ra?

Why do people still believe in Ahura Mazda?

Why do people still believe in Allah?

Why do people still believe in Buddha?

Why do people still believe in Vishnu?

Why do people still believe in Satan?

Why do people still believe there are Vampires?

Why do people still believe there are Ghosts?

Why do people still believe there are Faerie Folk?

Why do people knock on wood?

Why do people say "bless you" after a sneeze?

Why do people put out cookies and milk for Santa?

Why do people put a horse shoe over the door?



Because sometimes, people will believe in anything and many things with very little reason to do so.

That belief is often taught, or is a tradition, or culturally instilled, and will have no real non biased supporting evidence that would suggest the belief represents reality.

People often and simply have a desire for whatever belief it happens to be that they embrace, to be, and they will use a faith to support that belief, in the absence of any evidence at all, in order to keep and maintain the belief.

Understand?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127738 Oct 5, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
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Oh my god. I apologize Dave. I'll stop making fun of you.
.
It really isn't your fault. And I'm a total ass for being mean to you.
.
Take care.
Sweetness, I don't think you are mean. You are just making do the best you can with the abilities you have. I can't take you serious enough to be offended by your "making fun of me".

Seriously.

<hug>

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127739 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
There’s no evidence that disproves the Exodus story, none.
There's
There is a very large absence of any evidence at all that would prove the "Exodus", also.

To this day, the bones of the Minotaur have not been found, nevertheless, we can't prove the Minotaur did not exist.

To this day, vampires have not been disproved.

To this day, fire breathing dragons have not been disproved.

Allah has not been disproved.

Vishnu has not been disproved.

The Pope Lick Monster has not been disproved.

In each of the above, there is a massive absence of evidence that does not prove they represent reality.

We haven't disproved them, however, because you need something that can be first proved or at least examined and evaluated, before you can attempt to disprove it.

A story in a book, or a belief, is not proof in and of itself in any way, unless there is non biased and compelling evidence to support that story or belief.

Your biblical based religious deity belief happens to be in the same category as all of the examples I pointed out above.

It is not me that makes it that way.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127740 Oct 5, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I moved from Houston to Illinois. If you go over the 800 miles between here and there you will find no evidence of my move.
Why?
Because I took everything with me.
Just come out and say what we all know. You have no proof to counter the Exodus story except innuendos and hunches.
If there were 600,000 to 1 million of you that took 40 years to move your personal belongings, and did so with enough livestock, supplies, dishes and glasses etc., to maintain day to day life, on foot, and you camped every night, built fires to keep all 600,000 to 1 million of you warm and safe, and at times stayed for days and possibly weeks at one campsite.

You would.
lightbeamrider

Fargo, ND

#127741 Oct 5, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Your question is meaningless. For you to posit that because people believed in something 2000 years ago, or 4000 years ago, or 30 minutes ago, and still believe it, does not mean that a belief is true.
Let me illustrate something to you, again.
Why did people at one time believe in the Minotaur?
Why did people at one time believe in Heracles?
Why did people at one time believe in Attis?
Why did people at one time believe in Ra?
Why do people still believe in Ahura Mazda?
Why do people still believe in Allah?
Why do people still believe in Buddha?
Why do people still believe in Vishnu?
Why do people still believe in Satan?
Why do people still believe there are Vampires?
Why do people still believe there are Ghosts?
Why do people still believe there are Faerie Folk?
Why do people knock on wood?
Why do people say "bless you" after a sneeze?
Why do people put out cookies and milk for Santa?
Why do people put a horse shoe over the door?
Because sometimes, people will believe in anything and many things with very little reason to do so.
That belief is often taught, or is a tradition, or culturally instilled, and will have no real non biased supporting evidence that would suggest the belief represents reality.
People often and simply have a desire for whatever belief it happens to be that they embrace, to be, and they will use a faith to support that belief, in the absence of any evidence at all, in order to keep and maintain the belief.
Understand?
That is how history works. Free of agendas. Unlike yours. I can provide more if you like. The fact you cannot answer the question does not make it meaningless. You assume it is all made up but like others have demonstrated. You cannot prove it did not happen. More later. You need to free your mind of your fixed assumptions and you continued revisionist history. You call all the ancients liars.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#127742 Oct 5, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text erased>
Since time is relative, is it possible to conceive of more than one dimension of it? Why do most physics models only use one dimension of it?

Since time and space are relative to each observer, is it possible to construct individual universes as models? I mean...doesn't each person therefore live in their own universe, since time and space are relative?

If you use some version of string theory that makes all the forces basically expressions of gravity - can you graphically represent that? What is the math derived from?

Would a GUT string theory predict, say, the Planck length?

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