Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Oct 4, 2012
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Aura, the fact is they still don't know anything. They haven't proved anything wrong because most of the evidence has been erased by time and conflicts. That is hardly a basis for saying something wasn't so.
Why because you believe? The evidence shows a different tale and no amount of denial or belief can change the facts.

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Shame on who?
Here you go again, though, using "proselytizing", something theists are famously known for, as an insult.
Then he must be a closet theist. Time the boy came out of the closet.

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Catcher deserved it. Getting on an atheist forum and proselytizing like that.
Shame on him.
Be careful Dave.

I do have stuff I'd like to push.

HL knows. Kiva is one example.

I encourage people to check it out, Kiva.org

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Why because you believe? The evidence shows a different tale and no amount of denial or belief can change the facts.
There is no evidence. Most of it has disappeared over thousands of years.

You don't understand that?

What is one of your crowd's favorites, the absence of evidence is not evidence?

Let's be consistent, now.

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Bible Jehova laws not JW wrote:
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we try to figure,
what a purpose is to be here on this topic and bambling nonsenses,
you suppose to know,
you are without of any influences,any authority, and not able to change eternal facts,
4 winds flowing from south,north,east,west,
you are not able to write bul..without of air, breath,food,sleep, etc...
also your purpose as atheist is miss, and predestined only couple more years,and be thrown 6 feet down to the mud,shluss end of your stupid atheistic life poor stories,and fables
bye
What?

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I'm not trying to change history. There is no evidence for the Biblical Exodus.
QUOTING:
"A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[22] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
"Did the Red Sea Part? No Evidence, Archaeologists Say"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/world/afric...
"Mainstream history and archaeology now consider the Exodus never happened, and the story is an entirely fictional narrative put together between the 8th and 5th centuries BCE. Christian and Jewish literalists do not accept this. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the...
"However, the archeological conclusions are not based primarily on the absence of Sinai evidence. Rather, they are based upon the study of settlement patterns in Israel itself. Surveys of ancient settlements--pottery remains and so forth--make it clear that there simply was no great influx of people around the time of the Exodus (given variously as between 1500-1200 BCE)."
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Judaism/2004/...
"No direct archaeological evidence has been found for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the 400-plus years in Egypt, or the Israelites’ miraculous exodus from slavery. No physical trace has been found of 40 years in the Sinai wilderness, and nothing outside of the bible shows Moses existed. The exodus cannot be treated as history because there is no support for it except the bible." http://www.askwhy.co.uk/truth/350Exodus.php
Rabbi David Wolpe shocked the Jewish world when he gave a Passover sermon that suggested that the Exodus as described in the Torah never took place. He has surveyed the available evidence from the Torah, the archeological record from the Sinai, and the archeological record from the Levant and concluded that the story of the Exodus is impossible. Rabbi Wolpe is not an atheist. In fact he has debated Sam Harris, a prominent atheist, yet he is convinced the Exodus is a fable.
Even some biblical "maximalist" scholars, such as William Dever (a graduate of Christian Theological Seminary), do not believe the Exodus occurred.
Dever says on page 1: "Finally, many of the biblical stories are legend-like and abound with miraculous and fantastic elements that strain the credulity of almost any modern reader of almost any religious persuasion. All these factors have contributed to the rise of doubts about the Bible's trustworthiness."
Ultimately, the only thing you need to know to debunk the Bible is what the adherents of the religions based on it think of it. That more than does the job." http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/200...
The Biblical Exodus Story Is Fiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/staks-rosch/the...
THE EXODUS MYTH
http://www.concentric.net/~worgar/exodus.htm
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You're the one that wants to deny or change history, not I.
You simply don't like it when that is illustrated.
There’s no evidence that disproves the Exodus story, none.

There's

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Thank you - I wasn't analyzing our different approaches that way. Good insight. I'm often in awe of yours, since it requires understanding the poster more, I think. I'm just addressing his ignorance, but you're actually dissecting his meaning.
To your second point: yeah. Dave has shown again and again that he is incapable of learning b/c of his arrogance and insecurities. He was asking lots of questions about biology there for a while, but then linked it back to an all powerful deity with magical pixie dust, as he put it.
ians is correct, I for one enjoy coming here to see the good posts that pop up once in a while. Dave is mostly spam, but he provokes interesting discussion.

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Oh, that monumental task is hogwash. The pyramids came out of Pharaoh's pocket primarily.
Having people produce wealth, like food and products for export, is what rulers did. That way they can get more out of the piggy bank.
BTW, slaves don't pay taxes.

Motivation is not easily stirred within men, but given the right stimulus men have achieved monumental tasks to amazement of others forever. This is a key to why the task must be large to immortalize
those who achieved them.

One such task was given to America in the 60s, to put a man on the moon. The call was answered and the effort achieved a great thing.
Once this type thinking was literally carved from stone, it only take the right motivators to a monumental task , to be answered by the willing to take part in something greater than self.
The most admirable human quality, and reason we excel.

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Then he must be a closet theist. Time the boy came out of the closet.
Closet theist?

We're several decades away from having those in America.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Biblical truth Scar.
They fall for that.
Oxymoron though it is.
Amazing and agreed.

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It is very true. Just read science literature for a while.
Upset when someone questions your religious beliefs?
you are absurd. Yes, science changes and evolves to accommodate new information. This is a feature, not a fault. Nothing has come up to suggest that a paradigm shift is necessary, especially to an electric universe model. Again, go ahead and offer a compelling reason why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Note- swinging magnets around does not constitute compelling evidence.

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What,'cause Jewish slaves don't do a good job? What kind of racist are you?!?
I'll have you know that I have had two Jewish slaves in my life and they performed quite well!!!
no, I'm sure the Jews would have made excellent slaves :)

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lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> That is not what majority scholarship says. That is not what the historians of old say. You can't change history just because you don't like it.
apologists are not majority scholarship. Most people absolutely do not consider the bible historical fact.

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Regarding slaves building pyramids.
Rulers and governments have conscripted certain occupations for time immemorial to accomplish certain tasks. Certain national interests will be the reason. A guy could be an architect with a nice business, but if Pharaoh needed a bunch for a special project, he could call them up. Of course they were usually recompensed for it. But that can be called slavery.
Such is usually associated with the military, but the needs of the state can be applied to any occupation put into a national service.
In modern times they send letters. In older times they sent officials and troops to round up the talent, and probably escort them to their temporary job. Which could be a long term one.
Israel had many tradesmen and craftsmen. They could have easily been pressed into service to build pyramids. They would call it slavery.
no proof outside bible.

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Read my lips. Pay attention.
You said:
"And if they find convincing evidence that demonstrates an existing theory is incorrect, they revise it accordingly."
Such happens on a continuing basis.
Logical conclusion:
THEN YOU CAN'T TAKE WHAT THEY PROCLAIM NOW AS THE "TRUTH".
Thank you for your attention.
we can take it as the best current explanation. Better than forcing the data to support religous conclusions.

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Motivation is not easily stirred within men, but given the right stimulus men have achieved monumental tasks to amazement of others forever. This is a key to why the task must be large to immortalize
those who achieved them.
One such task was given to America in the 60s, to put a man on the moon. The call was answered and the effort achieved a great thing.
Once this type thinking was literally carved from stone, it only take the right motivators to a monumental task , to be answered by the willing to take part in something greater than self.
The most admirable human quality, and reason we excel.
Barf.

The average Egyptian, and almost all vassal states, could give a shit about Pharaoh's tomb.

Now those that plundered them loved the hell of them. As did those that made money building them.

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Oh good, if you believe in prayer, here's a story for you--not new, but worth repeating:
A kid wanted a bicycle. So he prayed for one, but it didn't come. He prayed some more, and still no hint of a bicycle. So he prayed even harder. Still no bicycle. Finally he decided his prayers for a bicycle would not be answered and he had to take matters into his own hands.
So he went out and stole a bicycle...and prayed for forgiveness.
A kid walked by his mother's bedroom and saw her on the bed masturbating, saying, "Oh god, I need a man. Oh god, I need a man".

Two nights later, he walked by his mom's room and a naked man walked out, excused himself, went to the bathroom, urinated and walked back into his mom's room and closed the door. The boy immediately went back to his room, started masturbating furiously saying, "Oh god, I need a bicycle. Oh god, I need a bicycle.".

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Amusing. You are the type that would think words on a blackboard were never written because they were erased.
The book can't be total fiction. Lasted too damned long for that, and the stories are just too off the wall to be fiction.
Israel was conquered by Egypt for a while. One of their vassal states. The area was full of skilled workers and artisans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pales...
Flawless logic. The stories are so unbelievable, they're believable. Wow. Lie big, right?

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<quoted text>you are absurd. Yes, science changes and evolves to accommodate new information. This is a feature, not a fault. Nothing has come up to suggest that a paradigm shift is necessary, especially to an electric universe model. Again, go ahead and offer a compelling reason why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Note- swinging magnets around does not constitute compelling evidence.
You religious nuts can't stand challenges, can you?

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The sands of time.
I have places in my yard that have collected 8 inches of wind blown dust in 20 years. That is dust that collected and has been added to the existing dirt through subsidence and has survived erosion from rain and floods. Anything above the level ground on windswept prairies catches dust and piles it up. The higher it gets and the more it catches.
I know it is 8 inches in those places, next to walls and fences, here because I have found sections of the old sprinkler system from 20 years ago with the popup heads that far down. The flat areas were still flush for the most part, or maybe an inch or so below.
The dust we get here has been blowing from the Rockies and the south and west west of there for eons. Wind erosion.
In those places that would be an average of 40 inches of piled up dirt, which is very fine stuff here, in 100 years. That is 400 inches in 1000 years. 800 inches in 2000 years. 800 inches is 66 feet. That is a 6 story building.
Lot of stuff buried deep in the ground that hasn't been found yet in this world.
Reserve judgment about finding relics to substantiate written records.
Yet, I can walk out of my front door, climb in my vehicle and with very little effort, find Aboriginal American artifacts and sites that date anywhere from 500 to 5000+ years old.

Within one or two hours.

There was a very extensive archaeological survey done in the region that the "Exodus", and subsequent 40 year trek in the Sinai desert was alleged to have occurred,that revealed sites and artifacts from the Neolithic period, and earlier.

The teams of archaeologists surmised that at any point in history, that the region might have supported somewhere in the area of 15,000-25,000 people at any given time, and that it would have been almost impossible to have supported more than 150,000 at ANY time. Given resources, water, food etc...

Not one trace, however, of the type of evidence that could support the Exodus story as being literal.

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