Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#127639 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Thank you - I wasn't analyzing our different approaches that way. Good insight. I'm often in awe of yours, since it requires understanding the poster more, I think. I'm just addressing his ignorance, but you're actually dissecting his meaning.
To your second point: yeah. Dave has shown again and again that he is incapable of learning b/c of his arrogance and insecurities. He was asking lots of questions about biology there for a while, but then linked it back to an all powerful deity with magical pixie dust, as he put it.
ians is correct, I for one enjoy coming here to see the good posts that pop up once in a while. Dave is mostly spam, but he provokes interesting discussion.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#127640 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Oh, that monumental task is hogwash. The pyramids came out of Pharaoh's pocket primarily.
Having people produce wealth, like food and products for export, is what rulers did. That way they can get more out of the piggy bank.
BTW, slaves don't pay taxes.

Motivation is not easily stirred within men, but given the right stimulus men have achieved monumental tasks to amazement of others forever. This is a key to why the task must be large to immortalize
those who achieved them.

One such task was given to America in the 60s, to put a man on the moon. The call was answered and the effort achieved a great thing.
Once this type thinking was literally carved from stone, it only take the right motivators to a monumental task , to be answered by the willing to take part in something greater than self.
The most admirable human quality, and reason we excel.

“What's left to defend?”

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#127641 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Then he must be a closet theist. Time the boy came out of the closet.
Closet theist?

We're several decades away from having those in America.

“The eye has it...”

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#127642 Oct 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Biblical truth Scar.
They fall for that.
Oxymoron though it is.
Amazing and agreed.

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#127643 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It is very true. Just read science literature for a while.
Upset when someone questions your religious beliefs?
you are absurd. Yes, science changes and evolves to accommodate new information. This is a feature, not a fault. Nothing has come up to suggest that a paradigm shift is necessary, especially to an electric universe model. Again, go ahead and offer a compelling reason why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Note- swinging magnets around does not constitute compelling evidence.

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#127644 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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What,'cause Jewish slaves don't do a good job? What kind of racist are you?!?
I'll have you know that I have had two Jewish slaves in my life and they performed quite well!!!
no, I'm sure the Jews would have made excellent slaves :)

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#127645 Oct 4, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> That is not what majority scholarship says. That is not what the historians of old say. You can't change history just because you don't like it.
apologists are not majority scholarship. Most people absolutely do not consider the bible historical fact.

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#127646 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
Regarding slaves building pyramids.
Rulers and governments have conscripted certain occupations for time immemorial to accomplish certain tasks. Certain national interests will be the reason. A guy could be an architect with a nice business, but if Pharaoh needed a bunch for a special project, he could call them up. Of course they were usually recompensed for it. But that can be called slavery.
Such is usually associated with the military, but the needs of the state can be applied to any occupation put into a national service.
In modern times they send letters. In older times they sent officials and troops to round up the talent, and probably escort them to their temporary job. Which could be a long term one.
Israel had many tradesmen and craftsmen. They could have easily been pressed into service to build pyramids. They would call it slavery.
no proof outside bible.

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#127647 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Read my lips. Pay attention.
You said:
"And if they find convincing evidence that demonstrates an existing theory is incorrect, they revise it accordingly."
Such happens on a continuing basis.
Logical conclusion:
THEN YOU CAN'T TAKE WHAT THEY PROCLAIM NOW AS THE "TRUTH".
Thank you for your attention.
we can take it as the best current explanation. Better than forcing the data to support religous conclusions.

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#127648 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Motivation is not easily stirred within men, but given the right stimulus men have achieved monumental tasks to amazement of others forever. This is a key to why the task must be large to immortalize
those who achieved them.
One such task was given to America in the 60s, to put a man on the moon. The call was answered and the effort achieved a great thing.
Once this type thinking was literally carved from stone, it only take the right motivators to a monumental task , to be answered by the willing to take part in something greater than self.
The most admirable human quality, and reason we excel.
Barf.

The average Egyptian, and almost all vassal states, could give a shit about Pharaoh's tomb.

Now those that plundered them loved the hell of them. As did those that made money building them.

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#127649 Oct 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Oh good, if you believe in prayer, here's a story for you--not new, but worth repeating:
A kid wanted a bicycle. So he prayed for one, but it didn't come. He prayed some more, and still no hint of a bicycle. So he prayed even harder. Still no bicycle. Finally he decided his prayers for a bicycle would not be answered and he had to take matters into his own hands.
So he went out and stole a bicycle...and prayed for forgiveness.
A kid walked by his mother's bedroom and saw her on the bed masturbating, saying, "Oh god, I need a man. Oh god, I need a man".

Two nights later, he walked by his mom's room and a naked man walked out, excused himself, went to the bathroom, urinated and walked back into his mom's room and closed the door. The boy immediately went back to his room, started masturbating furiously saying, "Oh god, I need a bicycle. Oh god, I need a bicycle.".

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#127650 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Amusing. You are the type that would think words on a blackboard were never written because they were erased.
The book can't be total fiction. Lasted too damned long for that, and the stories are just too off the wall to be fiction.
Israel was conquered by Egypt for a while. One of their vassal states. The area was full of skilled workers and artisans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pales...
Flawless logic. The stories are so unbelievable, they're believable. Wow. Lie big, right?

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#127651 Oct 4, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>you are absurd. Yes, science changes and evolves to accommodate new information. This is a feature, not a fault. Nothing has come up to suggest that a paradigm shift is necessary, especially to an electric universe model. Again, go ahead and offer a compelling reason why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Note- swinging magnets around does not constitute compelling evidence.
You religious nuts can't stand challenges, can you?

“The eye has it...”

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#127652 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
The sands of time.
I have places in my yard that have collected 8 inches of wind blown dust in 20 years. That is dust that collected and has been added to the existing dirt through subsidence and has survived erosion from rain and floods. Anything above the level ground on windswept prairies catches dust and piles it up. The higher it gets and the more it catches.
I know it is 8 inches in those places, next to walls and fences, here because I have found sections of the old sprinkler system from 20 years ago with the popup heads that far down. The flat areas were still flush for the most part, or maybe an inch or so below.
The dust we get here has been blowing from the Rockies and the south and west west of there for eons. Wind erosion.
In those places that would be an average of 40 inches of piled up dirt, which is very fine stuff here, in 100 years. That is 400 inches in 1000 years. 800 inches in 2000 years. 800 inches is 66 feet. That is a 6 story building.
Lot of stuff buried deep in the ground that hasn't been found yet in this world.
Reserve judgment about finding relics to substantiate written records.
Yet, I can walk out of my front door, climb in my vehicle and with very little effort, find Aboriginal American artifacts and sites that date anywhere from 500 to 5000+ years old.

Within one or two hours.

There was a very extensive archaeological survey done in the region that the "Exodus", and subsequent 40 year trek in the Sinai desert was alleged to have occurred,that revealed sites and artifacts from the Neolithic period, and earlier.

The teams of archaeologists surmised that at any point in history, that the region might have supported somewhere in the area of 15,000-25,000 people at any given time, and that it would have been almost impossible to have supported more than 150,000 at ANY time. Given resources, water, food etc...

Not one trace, however, of the type of evidence that could support the Exodus story as being literal.

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#127653 Oct 4, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> And i am pointing out to you and everyone here around 2500 or so years ago those people believed the Exodus happened. You and others are saying they are wrong. Amenhotep II was not the first born son of his father and his first born son did not go to the throne. Remember the first born was to die? It is Thutmose III then Amenhotep II then Thutmose IV. Answer my question. Why would they write the Exodus as a marker if the event did not happen? 1 Kings 6:1
I am a unicorn. There, now I am, according to your logic.

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#127654 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Slaves usually require security to prevent escape,
I'm not even going to ask how you know that.

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#127655 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You religious nuts can't stand challenges, can you?
Dave.

It's beddy-by time.

Really.

It is.

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#127656 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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There’s no evidence that disproves the Exodus story, none.
There's
And none to prove it outside of a book of myths and stories.

“Love much, trust none”

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#127657 Oct 4, 2012
1. The pyraomids were built mikenia before the Hebrews even existed.
2. The Hebrews are the same peole as the Canaanires.
3. There is no record in all of Egypt for slave labor. Rather the archaelogical record and several written records indicates that laborers on the royal building projects were well provided for.
4. Even many Jewish scholars admit that the "Exodus" is more Heroic Legend than History.
5. Jesus never mentions Exodus, Pharoe or Egypt. So as far as Chrisitnaity should be concerned, it is as meaningless as Stonehenge is to Hinduism.

“Love much, trust none”

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#127658 Oct 4, 2012
Time for a new keyboard or new glasses.

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