Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127614 Oct 4, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Look at 1 Kings 6:1. There is a marker there. 480 years after the sons of Israel came out of the land of Egypt. Solomon starts to build his temple. That is the Exodus you claim never happened. That puts it around 1446 BC. Amenhotep II. His firstborn son did not follow in daddy's footstep as Pharoah. You are quoting revisionist historians. Why would they use the Exodus as a marker if the event did not happen?
Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of God, being 'chosen'

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/10/03/his ...

“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends,” Einstein wrote in German in a 1954 letter that will be auctioned on eBay later this month. "No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”

Should I peruse Einstein's reasoning or your's?

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#127615 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Amusing. You are the type that would think words on a blackboard were never written because they were erased.
The book can't be total fiction. Lasted too damned long for that, and the stories are just too off the wall to be fiction.
So because something says this thing occurred in ancient times, and fails to provide any evidence or explanation whatsoever, we must automatically presume it is true because the evidence might have disappeared?
Geez, I guess we should all include cyclopes in encyclopedias as fact from now on.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#127616 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It is very true. Just read science literature for a while.
Upset when someone questions your religious beliefs?
You do realize, you're using religious belief as an insult, right?

Don't worry. It's only natural.

Since: Apr 11

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#127617 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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"BobLoblah" in Sumerian means "small package loser who amorously lies with pigs. Women shun his filth."
Is that why you chose your screen name?
Apt. Very apt.
Blaaaach!
05Oct12.....

.....'hidingfromView' in English means a 'Coward'. EveryOne shuns such excuses for human beings.

Ps:....Is dat vhy you chose your screen name!!!

You should reSet it as 'schidt-for-brains'.

...Very, very appropriate.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

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#127618 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyview wrote:
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BobLoblah is Anti-devil's netherregions.
orever and ever, BobLoblah enjoys the benefit of slaying devil's unmentionables like myself.
BobLoblah
05Oct12.....

.....You've said it, ya hypocrite.

Ps:....You remain a schidt-for-brains a psychological LIAR.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127619 Oct 4, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Look at 1 Kings 6:1. There is a marker there. 480 years after the sons of Israel came out of the land of Egypt. Solomon starts to build his temple. That is the Exodus you claim never happened. That puts it around 1446 BC. Amenhotep II. His firstborn son did not follow in daddy's footstep as Pharoah. You are quoting revisionist historians. Why would they use the Exodus as a marker if the event did not happen?
I'm merely pointing out there is no history that supports the "Exodus" claim. Archaeologically, it is not evidenced, and from numerous viewpoints.

The same holds true for much of the bible. It does represent historical fiction, but no more than that.

Your claim to authenticity holds no more validity than any other religious belief.

Using your standards, any religious/deity belief, is just as real as your personal religious/deity belief.

One carries no more weight than another.

Since: Sep 08

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#127620 Oct 4, 2012
The sands of time.

I have places in my yard that have collected 8 inches of wind blown dust in 20 years. That is dust that collected and has been added to the existing dirt through subsidence and has survived erosion from rain and floods. Anything above the level ground on windswept prairies catches dust and piles it up. The higher it gets and the more it catches.

I know it is 8 inches in those places, next to walls and fences, here because I have found sections of the old sprinkler system from 20 years ago with the popup heads that far down. The flat areas were still flush for the most part, or maybe an inch or so below.

The dust we get here has been blowing from the Rockies and the south and west west of there for eons. Wind erosion.

In those places that would be an average of 40 inches of piled up dirt, which is very fine stuff here, in 100 years. That is 400 inches in 1000 years. 800 inches in 2000 years. 800 inches is 66 feet. That is a 6 story building.

Lot of stuff buried deep in the ground that hasn't been found yet in this world.

Reserve judgment about finding relics to substantiate written records.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#127621 Oct 4, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>I'm merely pointing out there is no history that supports the "Exodus" claim. Archaeologically, it is not evidenced, and from numerous viewpoints.
The same holds true for much of the bible. It does represent historical fiction, but no more than that.
Your claim to authenticity holds no more validity than any other religious belief.
Using your standards, any religious/deity belief, is just as real as your personal religious/deity belief.
One carries no more weight than another.
Biblical truth Scar.

They fall for that.

Oxymoron though it is.

Since: Sep 08

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#127622 Oct 4, 2012
anomonyous wrote:
<quoted text>So because something says this thing occurred in ancient times, and fails to provide any evidence or explanation whatsoever, we must automatically presume it is true because the evidence might have disappeared?
Geez, I guess we should all include cyclopes in encyclopedias as fact from now on.
How much of history can be verified to have happened by cross reference and artifacts? Not as much as you think, even to just a few hundred years ago.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#127623 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
Regarding slaves building pyramids.
Rulers and governments have conscripted certain occupations for time immemorial to accomplish certain tasks. Certain national interests will be the reason. A guy could be an architect with a nice business, but if Pharaoh needed a bunch for a special project, he could call them up. Of course they were usually recompensed for it. But that can be called slavery.
Such is usually associated with the military, but the needs of the state can be applied to any occupation put into a national service.
In modern times they send letters. In older times they sent officials and troops to round up the talent, and probably escort them to their temporary job. Which could be a long term one.
Israel had many tradesmen and craftsmen. They could have easily been pressed into service to build pyramids. They would call it slavery.
Giving people a monumental task is a way to unite them to a cause. It is thought that is how the people were motivated to build the pyramids. There is no evidence of a military enforcing a population of slaves . There is considerable evidence some of the worker gang leaders were praised highly and treated fairly close to royalty. The biblical religious mythology about the exodus is at best a fabrication. The evidence show the state is Israel was formed from Canaanites who over 500 years revolted and cast down the hierarchy systems in place.

The exploits of Moses and Joshua fabrications but the exodus may have been started by a handful of revolting slaves and over a 500 year period progressed into the state of Israel.
This is what the archeology shows and absolutely nothing like...
Nothing like a 40 year adventure of military exploits as your book of historical fiction suggests.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#127624 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Read my lips. Pay attention.
You said:
"And if they find convincing evidence that demonstrates an existing theory is incorrect, they revise it accordingly."
Such happens on a continuing basis.
Logical conclusion:
THEN YOU CAN'T TAKE WHAT THEY PROCLAIM NOW AS THE "TRUTH".
Thank you for your attention.
Dave until the convergence of evidence pointing to what is known now. The authority on the subject was the bible. That is what is being proven wrong and the notions it painted into your mind ...incorrect. The understanding by the evidence has made it revised accordingly.
Understand this IS how science does prove things , study the meaning of this phrase.

The convergence of evidence.

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#127625 Oct 4, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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You do realize, you're using religious belief as an insult, right?
Don't worry. It's only natural.
Catcher deserved it. Getting on an atheist forum and proselytizing like that.

Shame on him.

Since: Sep 08

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#127626 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Giving people a monumental task is a way to unite them to a cause. It is thought that is how the people were motivated to build the pyramids. There is no evidence of a military enforcing a population of slaves . There is considerable evidence some of the worker gang leaders were praised highly and treated fairly close to royalty. The biblical religious mythology about the exodus is at best a fabrication. The evidence show the state is Israel was formed from Canaanites who over 500 years revolted and cast down the hierarchy systems in place.
The exploits of Moses and Joshua fabrications but the exodus may have been started by a handful of revolting slaves and over a 500 year period progressed into the state of Israel.
This is what the archeology shows and absolutely nothing like...
Nothing like a 40 year adventure of military exploits as your book of historical fiction suggests.
I posted a link in a later post about that area in that time. Egypt was also withdrawing from the area. Lots of military conflict. Would have been similar to what happened after the fall of Rome. Law and order breakdown.

Since: Sep 08

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#127629 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Dave until the convergence of evidence pointing to what is known now. The authority on the subject was the bible. That is what is being proven wrong and the notions it painted into your mind ...incorrect. The understanding by the evidence has made it revised accordingly.
Understand this IS how science does prove things , study the meaning of this phrase.
The convergence of evidence.
Aura, the fact is they still don't know anything. They haven't proved anything wrong because most of the evidence has been erased by time and conflicts. That is hardly a basis for saying something wasn't so.

Since: Jun 12

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#127630 Oct 4, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>I'm merely pointing out there is no history that supports the "Exodus" claim. Archaeologically, it is not evidenced, and from numerous viewpoints.
And i am pointing out to you and everyone here around 2500 or so years ago those people believed the Exodus happened. You and others are saying they are wrong. Amenhotep II was not the first born son of his father and his first born son did not go to the throne. Remember the first born was to die? It is Thutmose III then Amenhotep II then Thutmose IV. Answer my question. Why would they write the Exodus as a marker if the event did not happen? 1 Kings 6:1

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#127631 Oct 4, 2012
timn17 wrote:
Not true. Give a better alternative or cut it out.
Dave Nelson wrote:
It is very true. Just read science literature for a while.

Upset when someone questions your religious beliefs?
Tide with Beach wrote:
You do realize, you're using religious belief as an insult, right?

Don't worry. It's only natural.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Catcher deserved it. Getting on an atheist forum and proselytizing like that.
Shame on him.
Shame on who?

Here you go again, though, using "proselytizing", something theists are famously known for, as an insult.

Since: Sep 08

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#127632 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Giving people a monumental task is a way to unite them to a cause. It is thought that is how the people were motivated to build the pyramids. There is no evidence of a military enforcing a population of slaves . There is considerable evidence some of the worker gang leaders were praised highly and treated fairly close to royalty. The biblical religious mythology about the exodus is at best a fabrication. The evidence show the state is Israel was formed from Canaanites who over 500 years revolted and cast down the hierarchy systems in place.
The exploits of Moses and Joshua fabrications but the exodus may have been started by a handful of revolting slaves and over a 500 year period progressed into the state of Israel.
This is what the archeology shows and absolutely nothing like...
Nothing like a 40 year adventure of military exploits as your book of historical fiction suggests.
Oh, that monumental task is hogwash. The pyramids came out of Pharaoh's pocket primarily.

Having people produce wealth, like food and products for export, is what rulers did. That way they can get more out of the piggy bank.

BTW, slaves don't pay taxes.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#127633 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Aura, the fact is they still don't know anything. They haven't proved anything wrong because most of the evidence has been erased by time and conflicts. That is hardly a basis for saying something wasn't so.
Why because you believe? The evidence shows a different tale and no amount of denial or belief can change the facts.

Since: Sep 08

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#127634 Oct 4, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Shame on who?
Here you go again, though, using "proselytizing", something theists are famously known for, as an insult.
Then he must be a closet theist. Time the boy came out of the closet.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#127635 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Catcher deserved it. Getting on an atheist forum and proselytizing like that.
Shame on him.
Be careful Dave.

I do have stuff I'd like to push.

HL knows. Kiva is one example.

I encourage people to check it out, Kiva.org

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