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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127626 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Giving people a monumental task is a way to unite them to a cause. It is thought that is how the people were motivated to build the pyramids. There is no evidence of a military enforcing a population of slaves . There is considerable evidence some of the worker gang leaders were praised highly and treated fairly close to royalty. The biblical religious mythology about the exodus is at best a fabrication. The evidence show the state is Israel was formed from Canaanites who over 500 years revolted and cast down the hierarchy systems in place.
The exploits of Moses and Joshua fabrications but the exodus may have been started by a handful of revolting slaves and over a 500 year period progressed into the state of Israel.
This is what the archeology shows and absolutely nothing like...
Nothing like a 40 year adventure of military exploits as your book of historical fiction suggests.
I posted a link in a later post about that area in that time. Egypt was also withdrawing from the area. Lots of military conflict. Would have been similar to what happened after the fall of Rome. Law and order breakdown.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127629 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Dave until the convergence of evidence pointing to what is known now. The authority on the subject was the bible. That is what is being proven wrong and the notions it painted into your mind ...incorrect. The understanding by the evidence has made it revised accordingly.
Understand this IS how science does prove things , study the meaning of this phrase.
The convergence of evidence.
Aura, the fact is they still don't know anything. They haven't proved anything wrong because most of the evidence has been erased by time and conflicts. That is hardly a basis for saying something wasn't so.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#127630 Oct 4, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>I'm merely pointing out there is no history that supports the "Exodus" claim. Archaeologically, it is not evidenced, and from numerous viewpoints.
And i am pointing out to you and everyone here around 2500 or so years ago those people believed the Exodus happened. You and others are saying they are wrong. Amenhotep II was not the first born son of his father and his first born son did not go to the throne. Remember the first born was to die? It is Thutmose III then Amenhotep II then Thutmose IV. Answer my question. Why would they write the Exodus as a marker if the event did not happen? 1 Kings 6:1

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#127631 Oct 4, 2012
timn17 wrote:
Not true. Give a better alternative or cut it out.
Dave Nelson wrote:
It is very true. Just read science literature for a while.

Upset when someone questions your religious beliefs?
Tide with Beach wrote:
You do realize, you're using religious belief as an insult, right?

Don't worry. It's only natural.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Catcher deserved it. Getting on an atheist forum and proselytizing like that.
Shame on him.
Shame on who?

Here you go again, though, using "proselytizing", something theists are famously known for, as an insult.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127632 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Giving people a monumental task is a way to unite them to a cause. It is thought that is how the people were motivated to build the pyramids. There is no evidence of a military enforcing a population of slaves . There is considerable evidence some of the worker gang leaders were praised highly and treated fairly close to royalty. The biblical religious mythology about the exodus is at best a fabrication. The evidence show the state is Israel was formed from Canaanites who over 500 years revolted and cast down the hierarchy systems in place.
The exploits of Moses and Joshua fabrications but the exodus may have been started by a handful of revolting slaves and over a 500 year period progressed into the state of Israel.
This is what the archeology shows and absolutely nothing like...
Nothing like a 40 year adventure of military exploits as your book of historical fiction suggests.
Oh, that monumental task is hogwash. The pyramids came out of Pharaoh's pocket primarily.

Having people produce wealth, like food and products for export, is what rulers did. That way they can get more out of the piggy bank.

BTW, slaves don't pay taxes.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#127633 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Aura, the fact is they still don't know anything. They haven't proved anything wrong because most of the evidence has been erased by time and conflicts. That is hardly a basis for saying something wasn't so.
Why because you believe? The evidence shows a different tale and no amount of denial or belief can change the facts.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127634 Oct 4, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
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Shame on who?
Here you go again, though, using "proselytizing", something theists are famously known for, as an insult.
Then he must be a closet theist. Time the boy came out of the closet.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#127635 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Catcher deserved it. Getting on an atheist forum and proselytizing like that.
Shame on him.
Be careful Dave.

I do have stuff I'd like to push.

HL knows. Kiva is one example.

I encourage people to check it out, Kiva.org

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127636 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Why because you believe? The evidence shows a different tale and no amount of denial or belief can change the facts.
There is no evidence. Most of it has disappeared over thousands of years.

You don't understand that?

What is one of your crowd's favorites, the absence of evidence is not evidence?

Let's be consistent, now.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#127637 Oct 4, 2012
Bible Jehova laws not JW wrote:
<quoted text>
we try to figure,
what a purpose is to be here on this topic and bambling nonsenses,
you suppose to know,
you are without of any influences,any authority, and not able to change eternal facts,
4 winds flowing from south,north,east,west,
you are not able to write bul..without of air, breath,food,sleep, etc...
also your purpose as atheist is miss, and predestined only couple more years,and be thrown 6 feet down to the mud,shluss end of your stupid atheistic life poor stories,and fables
bye
What?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#127638 Oct 4, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not trying to change history. There is no evidence for the Biblical Exodus.
QUOTING:
"A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[22] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
"Did the Red Sea Part? No Evidence, Archaeologists Say"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/world/afric...
"Mainstream history and archaeology now consider the Exodus never happened, and the story is an entirely fictional narrative put together between the 8th and 5th centuries BCE. Christian and Jewish literalists do not accept this. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the...
"However, the archeological conclusions are not based primarily on the absence of Sinai evidence. Rather, they are based upon the study of settlement patterns in Israel itself. Surveys of ancient settlements--pottery remains and so forth--make it clear that there simply was no great influx of people around the time of the Exodus (given variously as between 1500-1200 BCE)."
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Judaism/2004/...
"No direct archaeological evidence has been found for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the 400-plus years in Egypt, or the Israelites’ miraculous exodus from slavery. No physical trace has been found of 40 years in the Sinai wilderness, and nothing outside of the bible shows Moses existed. The exodus cannot be treated as history because there is no support for it except the bible." http://www.askwhy.co.uk/truth/350Exodus.php
Rabbi David Wolpe shocked the Jewish world when he gave a Passover sermon that suggested that the Exodus as described in the Torah never took place. He has surveyed the available evidence from the Torah, the archeological record from the Sinai, and the archeological record from the Levant and concluded that the story of the Exodus is impossible. Rabbi Wolpe is not an atheist. In fact he has debated Sam Harris, a prominent atheist, yet he is convinced the Exodus is a fable.
Even some biblical "maximalist" scholars, such as William Dever (a graduate of Christian Theological Seminary), do not believe the Exodus occurred.
Dever says on page 1: "Finally, many of the biblical stories are legend-like and abound with miraculous and fantastic elements that strain the credulity of almost any modern reader of almost any religious persuasion. All these factors have contributed to the rise of doubts about the Bible's trustworthiness."
Ultimately, the only thing you need to know to debunk the Bible is what the adherents of the religions based on it think of it. That more than does the job." http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/200...
The Biblical Exodus Story Is Fiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/staks-rosch/the...
THE EXODUS MYTH
http://www.concentric.net/~worgar/exodus.htm
<quoted text>
You're the one that wants to deny or change history, not I.
You simply don't like it when that is illustrated.
There’s no evidence that disproves the Exodus story, none.

There's

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127639 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you - I wasn't analyzing our different approaches that way. Good insight. I'm often in awe of yours, since it requires understanding the poster more, I think. I'm just addressing his ignorance, but you're actually dissecting his meaning.
To your second point: yeah. Dave has shown again and again that he is incapable of learning b/c of his arrogance and insecurities. He was asking lots of questions about biology there for a while, but then linked it back to an all powerful deity with magical pixie dust, as he put it.
ians is correct, I for one enjoy coming here to see the good posts that pop up once in a while. Dave is mostly spam, but he provokes interesting discussion.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#127640 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, that monumental task is hogwash. The pyramids came out of Pharaoh's pocket primarily.
Having people produce wealth, like food and products for export, is what rulers did. That way they can get more out of the piggy bank.
BTW, slaves don't pay taxes.

Motivation is not easily stirred within men, but given the right stimulus men have achieved monumental tasks to amazement of others forever. This is a key to why the task must be large to immortalize
those who achieved them.

One such task was given to America in the 60s, to put a man on the moon. The call was answered and the effort achieved a great thing.
Once this type thinking was literally carved from stone, it only take the right motivators to a monumental task , to be answered by the willing to take part in something greater than self.
The most admirable human quality, and reason we excel.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#127641 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Then he must be a closet theist. Time the boy came out of the closet.
Closet theist?

We're several decades away from having those in America.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127642 Oct 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Biblical truth Scar.
They fall for that.
Oxymoron though it is.
Amazing and agreed.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127643 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It is very true. Just read science literature for a while.
Upset when someone questions your religious beliefs?
you are absurd. Yes, science changes and evolves to accommodate new information. This is a feature, not a fault. Nothing has come up to suggest that a paradigm shift is necessary, especially to an electric universe model. Again, go ahead and offer a compelling reason why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Note- swinging magnets around does not constitute compelling evidence.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127644 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
What,'cause Jewish slaves don't do a good job? What kind of racist are you?!?
I'll have you know that I have had two Jewish slaves in my life and they performed quite well!!!
no, I'm sure the Jews would have made excellent slaves :)

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127645 Oct 4, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> That is not what majority scholarship says. That is not what the historians of old say. You can't change history just because you don't like it.
apologists are not majority scholarship. Most people absolutely do not consider the bible historical fact.

Since: Sep 11

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#127646 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
Regarding slaves building pyramids.
Rulers and governments have conscripted certain occupations for time immemorial to accomplish certain tasks. Certain national interests will be the reason. A guy could be an architect with a nice business, but if Pharaoh needed a bunch for a special project, he could call them up. Of course they were usually recompensed for it. But that can be called slavery.
Such is usually associated with the military, but the needs of the state can be applied to any occupation put into a national service.
In modern times they send letters. In older times they sent officials and troops to round up the talent, and probably escort them to their temporary job. Which could be a long term one.
Israel had many tradesmen and craftsmen. They could have easily been pressed into service to build pyramids. They would call it slavery.
no proof outside bible.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127647 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Read my lips. Pay attention.
You said:
"And if they find convincing evidence that demonstrates an existing theory is incorrect, they revise it accordingly."
Such happens on a continuing basis.
Logical conclusion:
THEN YOU CAN'T TAKE WHAT THEY PROCLAIM NOW AS THE "TRUTH".
Thank you for your attention.
we can take it as the best current explanation. Better than forcing the data to support religous conclusions.

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