Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Mar 11

United States

#127562 Oct 4, 2012
The bible says Hebrews built the pyramids? What passage is that again?

Sorry as usual you are dead wrong on damn near everything you posted here.
Eagle12 wrote:
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Because it happened before the days of the local broadcast news and the New York Times. Something caused Egypt to fall from a Super Power status and that something was the Exodus.
Egypt was a society heavily dependant on slave labor. Slavery was the engine for their economy. No one can tell me that the great pyramids were built by paid Egyptian skilled labor. It was done on the backs of slaves.
You can deny that fact but it took a hell of a lot of labor. There’s no way Egypt could have afforded to pay salaries to skilled workers. It was done by slaves, and those slaves left Egypt.

Since: Sep 11

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#127563 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Why would you say it is stupid?
Stupid is sitting in one little spot in the universe and pontificating it follows all of the laws determined on that little spot, and everything must then work the way they think it should.
May I point out they are constantly finding things don't?
Modern cosmology is totally built upon gazing at points of light in the sky, and using sensors built upon the "theory" of electricity developed right here in this relativistic spot in the universe. But the significance of that relating to the actual "truth" will escape you. You just gotta believe it is true. Your god need, as IANS likes to put it.
Modern physics is earth based technology that a few heaven gazing guys try to apply to the universe. No different than star gazers of yesteryear.
Let me point out that man has used many, many technologies that he didn't really understand fully at the time. That is still happening today.
No, I don't need to believe it's true. I don't know why believers always try to say that non believers believe just as strongly as they do, just in something else.

Using whatever crackpot theory you "believe in," change my mind. Prove to me that the current models are wrong. Don't appeal to ignorance, don't appeal to design, don't poke holes.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127564 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Forgot to mention that you can throw all sorts of different materials together and run a huge charge through them, and a path will be created if not existing. Part of the transforming of mass and energy. You are a particle within a much larger flow of charge. If you lived as a molecule of copper in a live circuit you may observe the universe as we do here.
Lots of action going one. Don't pretend to know just what it is.
Are you kidding me? "Don't pretend to know what it is," says the most arrogant poster here. Says the person who thinks a few ridiculous experiments in his garage with magnets upends modern physics.

Since: Sep 11

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#127565 Oct 4, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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The Disciple Series: Holy Infinite Cypher Kibbitz.
The <±.·:*¨`*ELECTRIC±UNIVERSE* ¨`*:·.±>
Of the Blather Mage, Dave Of Zizzy Edicts.
1. Circumpolar Magnetidialectictric Geological Stringy Thingeory.
<±Dave±> "Okay, here is something you can all do yourself. An experiment, if you will. You must first deunderstandify or something like that, and put aside all preconceived notions that the science you understand or have been "taught", has any validity. It may fly in the face of your "so called" Physics, but, I say it plain, unashamedly and without reservation. I march to the beat of a different drum. I boldly go where no man, except me, obviously, HAS GONE BEFORE!... <ahem> ... Now, let me explain; Tie a string to your finger, any bodily appendage thingy will work, but I prefer a finger because it's easy to locate and see. Next, obtain two speaker magnets, say from a Radio Shack™ dumpster. Now, find a rock. Juggle those for 56¼ seconds.... SEE? Amazing, isn't it?
That's called personal experience, I've replicated it hundreds of times, and the "religion science" of today can't adequately explain what just happened there...."
Funniest thing I've ever read.

Since: Sep 11

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#127566 Oct 4, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
The bible says Hebrews built the pyramids? What passage is that again?
Sorry as usual you are dead wrong on damn near everything you posted here.
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Ha your right it's not even in the bible. Awesome.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#127567 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Because it happened before the days of the local broadcast news and the New York Times. Something caused Egypt to fall from a Super Power status and that something was the Exodus.
Egypt was a society heavily dependant on slave labor. Slavery was the engine for their economy. No one can tell me that the great pyramids were built by paid Egyptian skilled labor. It was done on the backs of slaves.
You can deny that fact but it took a hell of a lot of labor. There’s no way Egypt could have afforded to pay salaries to skilled workers. It was done by slaves, and those slaves left Egypt.
Egypt used slaves because the bible says so ?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#127568 Oct 4, 2012
Eagle12 wrote:
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Because it happened before the days of the local broadcast news and the New York Times. Something caused Egypt to fall from a Super Power status and that something was the Exodus.
Egypt was a society heavily dependant on slave labor. Slavery was the engine for their economy. No one can tell me that the great pyramids were built by paid Egyptian skilled labor. It was done on the backs of slaves.
You can deny that fact but it took a hell of a lot of labor. There’s no way Egypt could have afforded to pay salaries to skilled workers. It was done by slaves, and those slaves left Egypt.
The slave labor thought to be the builders...Has been proven wrong. The Egyptian people did it where they lived and their tombs have been found. The whole infrastructure has been discovered. The religious story of Hebrew slaves building the pyramids, is a outright lie or highly exaggerated fabrication.
There could have been a few slaves , but it is now known the work was done by the Egyptian people who were paid in grain and food bread etc.

Since: Sep 11

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#127569 Oct 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The slave labor thought to be the builders...Has been proven wrong. The Egyptian people did it where they lived and their tombs have been found. The whole infrastructure has been discovered. The religious story of Hebrew slaves building the pyramids, is a outright lie or highly exaggerated fabrication.
There could have been a few slaves , but it is now known the work was done by the Egyptian people who were paid in grain and food bread etc.
And beer. Lots and lots of beer. Which makes a lot of sense.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127570 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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The problem for me is not with gravity at all, but with your magical poetry. I never know what you're talking about.
Gravity is not a distributed mass. It is a force. Even if it were a mass, "thus, relative strengths" is meaningless. You seem to be saying that because gravity is mass, therefore strengths are relative. What in hell are you talking about?
I kind of gave up after that.
You don't understand what gravity is or how it is distributed.

You can think of the total gravitation force of the universe as circuits of relative resistance, the conductance being determined by the amount of mass and proximity of those masses to each other, or you can think of all of the masses adding up the other way to come up with the total force for the universe.

If you go strolling past Betelgeuse, you will have greater gravity force exerted on you than strolling past our sun for the same distance away. Therefore the strengths are relative. You will also have different values of those strengths pulling on you from different directions.

That was my third or fourth attempt to put it real plain, but which would not work anyhow because you view gravity as a thing, and not part of a process. However, it did help kick something into gear in my head. So you aren't totally useless.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#127571 Oct 4, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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No twist, simple observations of you own posts.
Here's a simple observation for you. You are either a muslim or you wish your were. You are a bigot; you hate all christians and anyone who does not love the muslims. muslims and christians are the same. Some are horrible people and some not some, not so much.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#127572 Oct 4, 2012
Yes we have documented proof the Egyptian workers worked for jars of beer which at the time was a tradable currency! Awesome!
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>And beer. Lots and lots of beer. Which makes a lot of sense.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127573 Oct 4, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, I don't need to believe it's true. I don't know why believers always try to say that non believers believe just as strongly as they do, just in something else.
Using whatever crackpot theory you "believe in," change my mind. Prove to me that the current models are wrong. Don't appeal to ignorance, don't appeal to design, don't poke holes.
The models keep failing. They don't last very long. They keep getting patched to maintain some semblance of continuity. Apologetics,

Quit poking holes in religion.

But you are quite free to have faith in your system. I'm just telling you it has some serious problems. Just like you do with religion.

Technology is not science theory. Simple observation and tweaking. The evolution of it has resulted in what we have today, not the theoretical science you will be claiming is responsible.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#127574 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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And there it is again. God forbid I have desires and pursue them rather than acquiesce to the collective. What you want for me is what I call an inauthentic existence.
And there is no deity that I need attend to.
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What does that mean? I get that you despise freedom in all of its manifestations. What dummies do I need to listen to me, and how does that further my agenda of freedom or free reign, whatever that is?
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Your wings were clipped long ago. From the pen of the poet :
"Saw a bird with a tear in his eye
Walking to New Orleans - my, oh my!
Hey, now, Bird, wouldn't you rather die
Than walk this world when you're born to fly?"
Birds flying are more likely to get shot with BB guns than birds walking.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#127575 Oct 4, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Funniest thing I've ever read.
Thank you, sir.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127576 Oct 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nice.
You addressed Dave's post completely differently than I did. You discussed what constitutes education, and why what he condemns is necessary and desirable. I looked at his tendency to eschew education for private speculation. You're trying to teach him - I warned him that you'd try to teach him something he could use - and I'm trying to learn from him. Those are the things we naturally do as humanists, because we value those activities.
BTW, even if you do nothing for Dave, your posts are being read and studied by those who do value what you see through refined eyes from the shoulders of giants. People come back to these threads repeatedly in part to read posts like that, whether Dave does or not.
Thank you - I wasn't analyzing our different approaches that way. Good insight. I'm often in awe of yours, since it requires understanding the poster more, I think. I'm just addressing his ignorance, but you're actually dissecting his meaning.

To your second point: yeah. Dave has shown again and again that he is incapable of learning b/c of his arrogance and insecurities. He was asking lots of questions about biology there for a while, but then linked it back to an all powerful deity with magical pixie dust, as he put it.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127577 Oct 4, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Yes, it is called DNA. Two templates were used to be exact.
You have a point ?
hahahaha!

:)

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#127578 Oct 4, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> That has nothing to do with there being no evidence supporting the biblical "Exodus". That point is agreed upon by Judaic and Christian scholars alike.
It is the minority report. The same class which stated David Dynasty did not exist and then when the archelogical evidence came along they still denied. They got Scripture down as guilty until proven innocent. You say Jesus probably existed and had some followers which is reductioninst and not in line with majority scholarship. Moses is mentioned 100s of time in the Old. Mentioned by Josephus. You say all them who were 1000s of years closer to the event were wrong in part because there is no evidence in what is now mostly a desert. The Bible is the evidence. It is agenda driven revisioninst history.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#127579 Oct 4, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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hahaha!
Sorry, sorry, not that old :p
LOL! Don't apologize for not being "that old".

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127580 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Test?
Who is my teacher, IANS?
I have my own path to follow in this existence. You go find others to fall under your influence. You will get no cheap ego trips from me, buddy boy.
:-)
Each of us is our own teacher, Dave. We determine how we learn.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#127581 Oct 4, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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So?
They say it can go 13 billion light years, also. Which means, BTW, that you are being bombarded by energy from the past. Put that in your calculations and smoke it.
Besides to adjacent molecules. Like in your "light switch" and match.
Yes, yes, yes.

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